AC fuse keeps blowing on 93.5 v12 : AC clutch or?


#41

I first checked the coil connections to the metal part, and both show an open circuit
I checked the coil resistance, including with my multimeter in “diode” mode, and it’s the same with both polarities, so no diode in there

the manual shows a diode, but outside of the coil

it seems I can choose the one I prefer :sunglasses:


(Richard Dowling, 1979 XJ-S HE+5sp coupe, 1989 XJ-SC, 2003 XJ8 3.5L) #42

That looks green with a yellow stripe.
Australian wiring regulations for household appliances and similar things connected to AC require:
Earth - green/yellow.
Active - brown.
Neutral - blue.
I am fairly sure this is an international standard used in many countries.
That means 300V rated PVC wires in those colours are made in vast quantities and easy to find.
In this application the colours are not essential but do make sense.
Probably no diode in that item but wise to check.


#43

I though of the same color coding, but the stripe is white (which makes no big difference in this case)

I tried t check the diode when I twas testing the loom, but couldn’t get a reading in diode mode : it may have burnt,
I’ll have another go at testing it, and may install one if I think it’s busted, as I’ll need to alter the wires anyway


#44

I started removing the black plastic tubing used for wiring protection on the new coil, and found a 1N4007 diode hidden in there., between the 2 wires.
The polarity of the diode confirms the initial guess :

  • brown is positive
  • green / white is ground

I wanted to check the coil positioning before deciding to reinsert a diode or not ; the fitting seems ok, but the small Philips screw holding the groung connector seems to be busted : I’ll need to find one as it desn’t seem to be a metric thread


#45

as posted above, I damaged the thread of ths Philips screw fixing the ground wire on the body of the compressor

it seems to be thinner than M4, so could be 8-32 UNC
is there anyone who knows the size and thread of this screw, or who could measure it to confirm ?
thanks in adanbce


#46

acording to a fellow XJS owner, the screw is M4, so I’ll have another try with that, before refitting the coil


(Kirbert - author of the Book, former owner of an '83 XJ-S H.E.) #47

It’s a ground, right? It can be grounded anywhere, including under that hex bolt head visible in the picture.


#48

yes it’s a ground, but I’d rather reuse the same fixing point since I shortened the wire to match:tired_face:

If needed I’ll pick up the ground on the fixing bolt (top right) rather than the hex head on the left, as this is one of the bolts holding the compressor front to the body


#49

as posted earlier, I opened the plastic tubing covering the wires, and found a diode crimped on the wires , confirming that brown is +12V, green/white being ground

I was surprised to find it, as I couldnt detect it using my ohmmetre. I reckon the very low resistance of the coil makes impossible to locate the blocking polarity of the diode

I searched similar crimping terminal, in order to refit the diode on the shortened wires, as I have doubts about the on which should be in the loom : better 2 diodes in parallel than none.

Farnel provided the “open barrel crimp” I needed, so I started crimping the diode on the wires :



then the M4 eyelet for the ground, with the M4 screw, the plate holding the wiring and the star washer

positioning the coil, mathcinh the bossing so the angle is right, the adding the circlip


I had to push it a bit so it got into the grove properly (flat face of the circlip facing the back of the car)]

then refit the pulley over the coil, with the new bearing

I used a 36mm/46mm shaft in order to press it in far enough to refit the circlip in the groove


then I checked the wires would stil be in the correct place and wont touch the pulley

refitting of the clutch tomorrow, but I wont be able to test the repair until I get mùy radiator back from cleaning


(Aristides Balanos) #50

Did you remove the old diode ? It’s quite possible it’s shorted.
Yes, two in parallel is much better than one, they should have used a beefier one in the first place (that’s what I did).

Aristides


(Richard Dowling, 1979 XJ-S HE+5sp coupe, 1989 XJ-SC, 2003 XJ8 3.5L) #51

If the coil is rated 2A, then it is around 6ohm and with a diode across it you could not identify the diode with a multimeter. If it was a short you could see it.
The diode is only there to stop the relay or FET or whatever drives the coil from seeing the inductive voltage spike as the coil switches off.
1N4007 is 1A rated and is fine, it will take a 2A spike easy enough.
You could use a 3A diode, I think maybe 1N504 or similar. It is a bigger package.


#52

the coil by itself measures about 4 ohms, so 3.25 Amps on 13V

the 1N4007 was fitted on the new coil, but I didn’t realize before measuring the assembly that my ohmmetre was unable to sense the diode beacuse of the coil

I’ll have a try at checking the current one in the loom before reconnecting the new coil, just to know if it is still on or busted open


(Kirbert - author of the Book, former owner of an '83 XJ-S H.E.) #53

If you connect the VOM one way, you should see 4 ohms. If you reverse the leads, you should see less than 1 ohm, correct? In fact, seeing different ohmage readings with the leads swapped would be enough to tell me the diode is good.


#54

I thought so, but couldn’t see any difference depending on polarity : either the diode is bust, or my ohmmeter is not accurate enough


#55

I gave a cleaning to the clutch plate

and a second washer got freed

placing both washers on the compressor threaded axle

then refit the clutch plate

a few light hits with a hammer and a socket, to get the threaded part visible

the special tool needed to push the plate on the axle :, by turning the big nut
(the screw on the right needs to be removed to screw the tool on the thread of the axle)

first, screw the centre axle on the threaded part of the compressor, until it blocks, then turn the but nut while holding the central part

the plate get pushed on, the axle, until the correct air gap is reached (0.4 to 0.8mm)

if the gap is ok, reft the central nut


(Aristides Balanos) #56

Better measure the diode directly.
One way it should be infinite, the other way around 170 kOhms for the 1N4007.
I would rather put a 1N504 to be sure as Richard suggested.

Very nice work on the compressor by the way, thanks for sharing!

Aristides


(Kirbert - author of the Book, former owner of an '83 XJ-S H.E.) #57

170 KOhms? What good is that? It wouldn’t flow enough current to do anything!


(Aristides Balanos) #58

Yes, it’s counter intuitive I know… diodes are weird beasts.
I just measured it with my multi-meter and that’s what it reads in the “resistance” setting.
Normally multi-meters have a special setting for measuring diodes and continuity, and in this case one way it reads 570 (correct polarity) and the other way 1 (reverse polarity).
It will never beep, i.e. will never show a short circuit.

Aristides


(Richard Dowling, 1979 XJ-S HE+5sp coupe, 1989 XJ-SC, 2003 XJ8 3.5L) #59

The average multimeter when testing a diode should show many megohms in reverse polarity, probably off the scale in fact.
In the forward direction it should show some resistance and it can vary a lot. The apparent resistance is just the voltage applied divided by the current measured. A small difference in voltage across a diode can make a huge difference in current measured, that is characteristic of a diode.

I just tried a 1n4007 on one of the cheap multimeters around the house. That shows off the scale in both directions in 200 ohm to 200k ranges. Useless for a diode test. BUT it has a diode test facility. That shows 570 forward, off the scale in reverse. That works.


(Kirbert - author of the Book, former owner of an '83 XJ-S H.E.) #60

Yeah, mine has the diode feature, too. So, can you use the diode feature to check the entire coil assembly with the diode in the leads?