[collectibles] Is this number 1?

Hello Enthusiasts,

Is this where it all started, and is this the very first Jaguar
mascot ever produce by Bill Rankin?

See item number 6583760167 on eBay.–
twojagjohn
Plymouth, United Kingdom
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Almost certainly not John,

This looks to me to be an example (possibly re-chromed) of the adaptation of
the Gordon Crosby mascot that was available through the likes of Gamages
catalogue in the immediate post-war years.

I show it in the top right-hand corner of page 154 in my book “Jaguar
Collectibles”.

Regards,

Ian Cooling
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Subject: [collectibles] Is this number 1?

Hello Enthusiasts,

Is this where it all started, and is this the very first Jaguar
mascot ever produce by Bill Rankin?

See item number 6583760167 on eBay.


twojagjohn
Plymouth, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from twojagjohn sent Thu 1 Dec 2005:

Hello John,

Looking at the eBay seller ID info, plus that you entered in
our database, is this you selling this by any chance and
joining the forum today to advertise it on your first post?

I was about to reply the same as Ian. Plus I don’t think
Rankin ever actually designed any mascot - the very first
Jaguar mascot, and one he likely commissioned in 1936, was
the one used on the Prince Michael of Romania SS100 and his
Saloon. Ian and I documented this in a Jaguar World Monthly
article a while back (with help from King Michael) and only
two were made (plus I had some modern repros done a while
back) but it looks nothing whatsoever like the badly
proportioned Gamages Mascot.

If you want info on Version 1 (not Version 2 as you refer to
it which actually started production in 1955 - and bear in
mind we invented this version classification), look at the
articles we wrote - you can find some of them reproduced here:

http://www.jag-lovers.org/cjw/

I own the original cast bronze Gordon Crosby mascot (it very
much exists, not just reputed) you refer to (with provenance
from GCs son who sold it), and which was the blueprint for
Version 1 so this could be classed as the original Jaguar
mascot.

Tony–
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Is this where it all started, and is this the very first Jaguar
mascot ever produce by Bill Rankin?


Tony Bailey [X-Type 2.5 SE Estate] Jag-lovers Forums Admin
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In reply to a message from TonyB sent Thu 1 Dec 2005:

Hello,

Thank you for your replies, yes it is me selling it - not to
advertise it on this site, but to hopefully get some cast iron
proof one way or another regarding the origin of the mascot from
experts.

Sadly this has not come to fruition, all I have had back is ‘‘I am
almost certain’’ and ‘‘I don’t think’’ with a proportion of name
dropping.

This is not really good enough, when you are dealing with a piece
of motoring history, to just dismiss others’ theories
out of hand simply because they don’t fit into the general scheme
of things.

You say it is a badly proportioned Gamage mascot, you seem to
conveniently ignore the similarities between the two mascots, you
also fail to say who designed it and when, who made it and more
importantly why, in your opinion, it could not be a Rankin Jaguar
mascot.

If they were so badly proportioned and yet almost identical to
Gordon Crosby’s design, do you think William Lyons - after flying
into a rage on seeing a Desmo Jaguar on one of his vehicles - would
have allowed items so close in design to his own Jaguar be sold in
an department store?

I still maintain it was a first Jaguar mascot by Rankin for the SS
cars and that its cost was too expensive for general production. I
also believe that as the mascot was being sold in a retail outlet,
and not withdrawn from sale by Jaguar, it was being sold with their
blessing.–
twojagjohn
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