[collectibles] JAG collectors auction

Does anyone know whats happened to the Jaguar Collectors auction
that is supposed to be around? I keep seeing mentions that it is
imminent (Jaguar World and others) but nothing ever seems to
happen. Is Ian Cooling still running it or what?

J–
bootlid
–Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]–

I gave up on Ian having a “postal” auction years ago…lots of promises,
no results. If I were you, don’t send ANY money for a subscription or to
get on a list. I paid $75 or so several years ago and to date have received
NOTHING!

Patrick==================================

Same thing happened to me: $75 last year and nothing. I have exchanged
emails with Ian recently (and I believe he reads this forum) and, although
he could not find my “subscription”, he promised to send me a copy of the
catalog by mail. I have, however, not seen it yet.

You can check with the website:

for updates as to when the auction will actually commence. For now, all it
indicates is that the catalog is ready for ordering. Not sure what’s going
on behind the scenes, but I do know that there are some interesting items up
for bid and I want to try my hand.

To add to the confusion, there is a new “ebay” type site that has recently
come on the scene:

http://www.automobilia4auction.com/

It appears to be in direct competition with Ian Cooling’s “automobilia”
auction and deals largely with Jaguar historical items. However this new one
seems to be run by, or have the backing of Tony Bailey (of Jag-Lovers fame,
who I believe also reads this forum).

Now, as I said I don’t understand what is going on behind the scenes. But
somebody is making money somewhere, or trying to make money, so I suspect
that may have something to do with it.

As I mentioned, I look forward to bidding on several of the items when the
auction actually does commence.

Daniel T.-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick McLoad [mailto:mcload@ev1.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:15 AM
To: collectibles@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [collectibles] JAG collectors auction

I gave up on Ian having a “postal” auction years ago…lots of promises,
no results. If I were you, don’t send ANY money for a subscription or to
get on a list. I paid $75 or so several years ago and to date have received
NOTHING!

Patrick

Same thing happened to me: $75 last year and nothing. I have exchanged
emails with Ian recently (and I believe he reads this forum) and, although
he could not find my “subscription”, he promised to send me a copy of the
catalog by mail. I have, however, not seen it yet.

You can check with the website:

http://www.jaguarautomobilia.com/

for updates as to when the auction will actually commence. For now, all it
indicates is that the catalog is ready for ordering. Not sure what’s going
on behind the scenes, but I do know that there are some interesting items
up
for bid and I want to try my hand.

To add to the confusion, there is a new “ebay” type site that has recently
come on the scene:

http://www.automobilia4auction.com/

It appears to be in direct competition with Ian Cooling’s “automobilia”
auction and deals largely with Jaguar historical items. However this new
one
seems to be run by, or have the backing of Tony Bailey (of Jag-Lovers
fame,
who I believe also reads this forum).

Now, as I said I don’t understand what is going on behind the scenes. But
somebody is making money somewhere, or trying to make money, so I suspect
that may have something to do with it.

As I mentioned, I look forward to bidding on several of the items when the
auction actually does commence.

Daniel T.

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick McLoad [mailto:mcload@ev1.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:15 AM
To: collectibles@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [collectibles] JAG collectors auction

I gave up on Ian having a “postal” auction years ago…lots of promises,
no results. If I were you, don’t send ANY money for a subscription or to
get on a list. I paid $75 or so several years ago and to date have
received----- Original Message -----
From: “Daniel Thompson” dthompson@gbc.ca
To: collectibles@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: [collectibles] JAG collectors auction

NOTHING!

Patrick

Dear All,

Here is the mail I intended to send earlier!

I hope this background will help reassure everyone that the auction really
is close to launch this time, after more than a few false starts in the
past.

Those who have mailed me directly have had full details of the personal
background to the lengthy delays in launching this auction. The word
“personal” is relevant - Jaguar Automobilia Collector is a one-man band.

Given these circumstances, I have accepted no subscriptions for some little
time. I have had only two requests for subscription refunds, both were paid
immediately, no string, no haggling.

It is worth noting that three auctions have run and a total of 17 editions
of Jaguar Automobilia Collector have been issued.

The latest round of publicity about the auction, on the site and in Jaguar
World, reflects how close the auction now is to launch. Over 80% of the
nearly 2000 lots are catalogued.

As the magazine and my website say, I had hoped finally to launch last
month. Two illnesses, mine and another family member, have caused the
latest delay. I have lost three weeks. Launch is therefore now planned for
the second half of November, printers permitting. I shall arrange for the
website to be up-dated.

Like all auctions, I have been taking advance orders for the catalogue from
non-subscribers. As the mail which acknowledges catalogue orders says,
orders are logged, but cards will not be charged until the catalogues are
despatched.

If any reader has any specific queries on the auction, the delay, how to
order catalogues, or JAC more widely, please e-mail me off-list on:
@Ian_Cooling1

Patrick, Daniel and the anonymous “bootlid”. I shall mail you separately.

Finally, my thanks to all those silent readers of this forum who have given
me much private support over the past few difficult years. And an especial
thanks to those selling through my auction who have been so patient for so
long. I have taken much encouragement from the fact that only two lots have
been withdrawn in all this time.

Regards to all,

Ian----- Original Message -----
From: “Daniel Thompson” dthompson@gbc.ca
To: collectibles@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: [collectibles] JAG collectors auction

Same thing happened to me: $75 last year and nothing. I have exchanged
emails with Ian recently (and I believe he reads this forum) and, although
he could not find my “subscription”, he promised to send me a copy of the
catalogue by mail. I have, however, not seen it yet.

You can check with the website:

http://www.jaguarautomobilia.com/

for updates as to when the auction will actually commence. For now, all it
indicates is that the catalog is ready for ordering. Not sure what’s going
on behind the scenes, but I do know that there are some interesting items
up
for bid and I want to try my hand.

To add to the confusion, there is a new “ebay” type site that has recently
come on the scene:

http://www.automobilia4auction.com/

It appears to be in direct competition with Ian Cooling’s “automobilia”
auction and deals largely with Jaguar historical items. However this new
one
seems to be run by, or have the backing of Tony Bailey (of Jag-Lovers
fame,
who I believe also reads this forum).

Now, as I said I don’t understand what is going on behind the scenes. But
somebody is making money somewhere, or trying to make money, so I suspect
that may have something to do with it.

As I mentioned, I look forward to bidding on several of the items when the
auction actually does commence.

Daniel T.

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick McLoad [mailto:mcload@ev1.net]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 9:15 AM
To: collectibles@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [collectibles] JAG collectors auction

I gave up on Ian having a “postal” auction years ago…lots of promises,
no results. If I were you, don’t send ANY money for a subscription or to
get on a list. I paid $75 or so several years ago and to date have
received
NOTHING!

Patrick

Hello Daniel,

To add to the confusion, there is a new “ebay” type site that has recently
come on the scene:
http://www.automobilia4auction.com/
It appears to be in direct competition with Ian Cooling’s “automobilia”
auction and deals largely with Jaguar historical items. However this new one
seems to be run by, or have the backing of Tony Bailey (of Jag-Lovers fame,
who I believe also reads this forum).

Yes, I do read this forum/list and also happen to be the Jag-lovers Admin
who created and looks after it :-;

Same thing happened to me.
For now, all it indicates is that the catalog is ready for ordering. Not
sure what’s going on behind the scenes, but I do know that there are
some interesting items up for bid and I want to try my hand.

As for the rest regarding the JAC Postal Auction (JACPA), it’s been
pointed out many times that Jag-lovers Forums and mailing lists are not
the place to direct adverse comments at other people for whatever reason,
be they fact or fiction - not least that you may inadvertently place
yourself and Jag-lovers in the firing line of someone’s lawyers as
happened some years back. So if anyone has an issue with JAC in any way,
please e-mail Ian via the address on his website with your issues and
not publicly here.

Since you brought the subject of Automobilia4auction up, that new
auction site is actually mine and has taken some two years to set up.
The fact that its launch clashed with the JACPA 4 intended date was
unfortunate but one of those things. I don’t believe it will adversely
affect either.

I got so fed up with people bidding for things on eBay with no intention
of ever actually paying (and it’s just happened to me and another friend
yet again), I decided to set up a dedicated site myself for a hopefully
discerning clientele. I have boxfuls of duplicates and other material to
dispose of and thought the web approach was worth a try, hence the site.

Ian Cooling has no connection with the A4A site although I have naturally
discussed it with him.

After I started this post, and as you will have seen, Ian has sent a reply
to the list/forum that addresses your concerns. I will add that I have a
lot of my rarer material with Ian for this next postal auction but that I
have not withdrawn any of them, despite the obvious temptation.On Thursday, October 9, 2003, 3:44:29 PM, you wrote:


Tony (West Sussex, UK) ['98 XKR Coupe]
Jag-lovers Web Site/Forums Technical Admin
Jag-lovers Collectibles + News Admin
Jaguar Brochures: http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/
Automobilia4Auction: http://www.a4aw.co.uk/

Thanks for the reply Tony. Ian has indeed cleared up much of the confusion
surrounding the delays vis-�-vis the JAC auction.

I agree with you about ebay, and anyway I think the Jaguar community is a
small enough one that all the “good guys” know who the other good guys are
and would rather deal with them anyway. I wish you the best of luck with the
automobilia4auction project. I haven’t bought anything yet, but you can rest
assured I will pay for it if I do!

Regards,

Daniel-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Bailey [mailto:tony@jag-lovers.org]
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 2:02 PM
To: Collectibles List
Subject: Re[2]: [collectibles] JAG collectors auction

Hello Daniel,

On Thursday, October 9, 2003, 3:44:29 PM, you wrote:

To add to the confusion, there is a new “ebay” type site that has recently
come on the scene:
http://www.automobilia4auction.com/
It appears to be in direct competition with Ian Cooling’s “automobilia”
auction and deals largely with Jaguar historical items. However this new
one
seems to be run by, or have the backing of Tony Bailey (of Jag-Lovers
fame,
who I believe also reads this forum).

Yes, I do read this forum/list and also happen to be the Jag-lovers Admin
who created and looks after it :-;

Same thing happened to me.
For now, all it indicates is that the catalog is ready for ordering. Not
sure what’s going on behind the scenes, but I do know that there are
some interesting items up for bid and I want to try my hand.

As for the rest regarding the JAC Postal Auction (JACPA), it’s been
pointed out many times that Jag-lovers Forums and mailing lists are not
the place to direct adverse comments at other people for whatever reason,
be they fact or fiction - not least that you may inadvertently place
yourself and Jag-lovers in the firing line of someone’s lawyers as
happened some years back. So if anyone has an issue with JAC in any way,
please e-mail Ian via the address on his website with your issues and
not publicly here.

Since you brought the subject of Automobilia4auction up, that new
auction site is actually mine and has taken some two years to set up.
The fact that its launch clashed with the JACPA 4 intended date was
unfortunate but one of those things. I don’t believe it will adversely
affect either.

I got so fed up with people bidding for things on eBay with no intention
of ever actually paying (and it’s just happened to me and another friend
yet again), I decided to set up a dedicated site myself for a hopefully
discerning clientele. I have boxfuls of duplicates and other material to
dispose of and thought the web approach was worth a try, hence the site.

Ian Cooling has no connection with the A4A site although I have naturally
discussed it with him.

After I started this post, and as you will have seen, Ian has sent a reply
to the list/forum that addresses your concerns. I will add that I have a
lot of my rarer material with Ian for this next postal auction but that I
have not withdrawn any of them, despite the obvious temptation.


Tony (West Sussex, UK) ['98 XKR Coupe]
Jag-lovers Web Site/Forums Technical Admin
Jag-lovers Collectibles + News Admin
Jaguar Brochures: http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/
Automobilia4Auction: http://www.a4aw.co.uk/