[concours] 140 Front Wing Tie Bar

What is the proper color for the tie bar between the front wings on an
XK140?
Black or body color?

The opinion is pretty well divided at this point but leaning toward
black. What do you think and why?

Thanks, Dick Cavicke

Dick,
Body color, here. A sampling on my unrestored '55 dhc S817518 showed the
same sequence of primer layers under the original red paint on the brace.
I assume you are referring to the round bar ahead of the radiator? Jim
Warren

Dick Cavicke wrote:> What is the proper color for the tie bar between the front wings on an

XK140?
Black or body color?

The opinion is pretty well divided at this point but leaning toward
black. What do you think and why?

Thanks, Dick Cavicke

Jim,

I concur with Dick.

Most definitely body color, however if your car has black body color then
both options are OK.
A popular concours solution in Australia is to have a black car, then you
never have a problem with the various underbonnet black versus body color
debate. Trouble is I don’t personally like black for an XK color.

Roger Payne-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Warren warrensj@together.net
To: xk@jag-lovers.org xk@jag-lovers.org
Date: Friday, 11 September 1998 8:23
Subject: Re: [xk] 140 Front Wing Tie Bar

Dick,
Body color, here. A sampling on my unrestored '55 dhc S817518 showed the
same sequence of primer layers under the original red paint on the brace.
I assume you are referring to the round bar ahead of the radiator? Jim
Warren

Dick Cavicke wrote:

What is the proper color for the tie bar between the front wings on an
XK140?
Black or body color?

The opinion is pretty well divided at this point but leaning toward
black. What do you think and why?

Thanks, Dick Cavicke

Dick - re the140 tie bars - this is what I said to Neville L nearly 2 years
ago:

2 Nov 96 JE to Neville Laing: I have photos of a couple of unrestored 140s
that both show the tie bar as body colour not black. I think the photo at
page 64 of Porter is incorrect. All the cars in that book are restored and
therefore you cannot be sure. The Viart Grand Livre also shows a couple of
new cars with body colour (not black) and one car (which may have been
restored) with black. It is possible there was variation here. However,
the best I can say at present is that I think yours is right (body colour).
What was it like before you started work on it? The parts book lists the
tie bar (for the OTS) at page 119 - BD 8403.

Regards,John Elmgreen

My vote is black. Engine side panels and other generic parts that were not
body color sensitive were black…lee

Dick Cavicke wrote:

What is the proper color for the tie bar between the front wings on an
XK140?
Black or body color?

The opinion is pretty well divided at this point but leaning toward
black. What do you think and why?

Thanks, Dick Cavicke

Body color because I asked the same question 2 yrs ago and the experts
assured me it was body color
Neville Laing

At 11:43 am 9/11/98 EDT, LEggers111@aol.com wrote:

My vote is black. Engine side panels and other generic parts that were not
body color sensitive were black…lee

I think it would be more accurate to say parts which were installed after
the body was painted were often black. I don’t know the 140 well enough to
comment on this piece, but I suspect it would have been fitted before the
body was painted.

On page 61 of Skilleter’s ‘The Jaguar XKs a collectors guide’ there is a
picture of a 140 in the Jaguar factory, and the bar is cirtainly body colour.

regards,

Mike Morrin

Lee, You vote for black tie bars. What cars have you seen with these? I
am doing a survey. Regards, John Elmgreen

Lee,
The side panels, hood (bonnet) latch and other bits can be bolted on after
the body is in place. It appears that the front brace would be installed at
the time the body work is installed and would have been painted with it. Has
anyone gone to the trouble of looking beyond the holes on the front wings? I
confess I haven’t. Jim W 140MC dhc

LEggers111@aol.com wrote:> My vote is black. Engine side panels and other generic parts that were not

body color sensitive were black…lee

John. In researching this question when I did a 140, it appeared that the
“black” bar and panels seemed logical. I could not find body color on the
bracing under the headlite pods that support the wings to the frame and only
overspray on the tie bar. It also seemed that I had seen a picture in one of
the books taken during manufacturing that showed a body being lowered onto the
completed chassis, and the bar was not evident. Thus my conclusion of
“Generic part” In retrospect, it makes sence to have the braces and bar
assembeled prior to paint…lee

Lee, re your comments on the tie bars, I have long ago given up trying to
“second guess” what I or someone else (usually two different opinions)
might think should be “logical” when it comes to Jaguars (I probably
wouldn’t have one at all if I or they were that logical!). The only way to
tell what was original is to look at the cars, and period photos are a
great help. Regards, John Elmgreen