[concours] Authenticity

Listers:
Is there a Guide to follow?
Ron Rader

Peddlarbob@aol.com wrote:> Steve. That is a very good question and one that I have been wrestling with

while I have been restoring my Sovereign. Lets hope you get a clear answer. I
have been collecting parts from all over the world hoping that what I am
doing is within the club rules.
Regards Bob.

Yes, there’s a guide, but for XJ6/12 cars the innumerable production
changes…especially those for various export markets… are not well
documented.

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA

Listers:
Is there a Guide to follow?
Ron Rader

Peddlarbob@aol.com wrote:

Steve. That is a very good question and one that I have been wrestling
with
while I have been restoring my Sovereign. Lets hope you get a clear
answer. I----- Original Message -----
From: “Ron Rader” rader@interworld.net
have been collecting parts from all over the world hoping that what I am
doing is within the club rules.
Regards Bob.

Doug:
I clearly did not ask MY question properly.
Is there a guide for xk 120/140/150’s?
Ron

Doug Dwyer wrote:> Yes, there’s a guide, but for XJ6/12 cars the innumerable production

changes…especially those for various export markets… are not well
documented.

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA

----- Original Message -----
From: “Ron Rader” <@Ron_Rader>

Listers:
Is there a Guide to follow?
Ron Rader

Peddlarbob@aol.com wrote:

Steve. That is a very good question and one that I have been wrestling
with
while I have been restoring my Sovereign. Lets hope you get a clear
answer. I
have been collecting parts from all over the world hoping that what I am
doing is within the club rules.
Regards Bob.

Steve and Doug bring up some very interesting points. The XJ cars are not
scrutinized like the E-Types or XK’s. Maybe someday. I have 7" headlights
and a shamefully over polished engine bay and lots of little things that
aren’t correct (no judges, I’m not telling). Last weekend at the Challenge
Championship, I placed above an 87 ser III that has a little over 4000 total
miles on the odometer . This one owner car is exactly as it was when it left
the showroom. It is as if it had been put in a time capsule and just removed
before the show. It is the first trailered XJ I have ever seen. I was
nervous indeed after driving my car 300 miles in rain to see my competition
show up in an enclosed trailer. I thought I was done for. I think that he
should have won and my car second. His is, without question, more authentic.
Go figure. My secret is that in the right sunlight, I can actually blind
the judge when I open the bonnet. This prevents him from looking too
closely! Seriously, I think these gray areas are going to have to go before
a JCNA review and get settled one at a time and eventually the guidlines will
be more easily interpreted
John Testrake
St. Louis, USA
84xj6 76xj12

The JCNA Concours Rulebook doesn’t really get too in-depth with hard core
info on vehicle specification…it’s mostly a procedural guidebook.

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA----- Original Message -----
From: “Ron Rader” rader@interworld.net

Doug:
I clearly did not ask MY question properly.
Is there a guide for xk 120/140/150’s?
Ron

Richard wrote:
I have more cofusing questions stemming from the XJ Driven class at
Franklin. Are tinted windows (w/ film) and spoke wire wheels correct
options on a Series three.

On a Series two non-export model coupe. Is red cloth velour on the
seats correct? Thanks for your opinion.

I’m not quite sure wether you mean on the E-Type or on the XJ. However, wire wheels are not correct on XJ, EVER, but I don’t know about the Series III E-Type. I thought that had chromed steel wheels and not wires. If it is an XJ were talking about, yes it was deliverd with “velour” seets in a hideous red colour.

Best regards
Baard Th Hesvik
Jaguar XJ6 4.2 litre Series I 1972 SWB - Dark Blue/Grey

Doug Dwyer wrote:

Well, you questions are addressed to Steve but, what the hell, I’ll take a
stab at 'em.

On a Series III car wire wheels and add-on tinting film would certainly be
considered incorrect. Jaguar did not build 'em that way, period.

Series II seats ? I know that Jaguar offered a variety of cloth upholstery
over the years. I have an issue of Sportscar and Classic (10/97) which
features a rather in-depth article on an XJ12C. The subject vehicle, a UK
market car, clearly has blue velour seats. My assumption (key word:
assumption) is that if blue velour was offered, red probably was, too. (The
car also has polished Kents…but that’s another story !)

The UK-spec XJ12C retained by JDHT has velour seats and polished Kent
alloys. The velour seats were never offered in the US market cars. As John
Testrake notes, chrome swage lines were common, including on US market cars.

                                          -Steve A.

'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40