[concours] British Cars Owner Survey- 6 Questions

This is a survey intended for all past or present owners of British Cars. If
you consider this survey to be an intrusion on your list, please tell me and
if there are enough complaints this will be the last British Car Owner Survey.
Why a survey? Us Americans are generally deprived of British cars. Even the
British are slowly but surely being deprived of British cars. Please pardon
my intrusion onto your list, but I do believe that there is no way BMW
(Leyland), Ford (Jaguar-Aston), or The French (One of them owns Rootes Group,
bought from Chrysler) will EVER reintroduce our favorite cars unless there is
some documented demand for them. Cars that we can get, like the Jaguar, will
become increasingly less like the Jaguars we knew and remembered because the
current master-of-the-marque does not know what the essence of each marque is.
To help create original research, I ask that anyone with a few moments to
spare please answer the following questions about Jaguars. Each week, month,
(or never again if this posting pisses people off) we will do another marque,
to find out what the key characteristic of each marque are. The statistics
will be posted. REPLY DIRECTLY TO MGMAGNETTE@AOL.COM DO NOT REPLY DIRECTLY
TO YOUR OWN MAILING LIST. Chances are that I am not a member, and this one
letter was enough of an intrusion, we don’t need to fill up the Hillman board
with junk about Jags. My suggestion is that you cut and paste the following
questions directly into your reply, if possible. Feel free to ramble on with
long answers if need be. OPINIONS OF NON-JAGUAR OWNERS ARE EXTREMELY VALUED

  1. Do you own a Jaguar? If not, would you ever want one? Which one?

  2. What does the name “Jaguar” mean to you?

  3. What is your general idea of what a Jaguar owner is like?

  4. What elements make a Jaguar a Jaguar?

  5. What don’t you like about Jaguars?

  6. What do you see in older Jaguars that you want to see in the modern
    versions as well?

Thank you for your time, and though these aren’t alot of questions your
answers will cover alot of territory. I hope you didn’t mind this intrusion
on your list. If this didn’t upset too many people we will do “Rover” next
week, the car most likely to be introduced to America in the year 2000.
Thanks- John

At 12:15 AM 5/14/98 -0400, MGMagnette posted to every list he could find:

you consider this survey to be an intrusion on your list, please tell me and
if there are enough complaints this will be the last British Car Owner

I find it to be an intrusion because:

A.	You've crossposted it to scores of lists which will no doubt
	generate some amount of cross-traffic between them (and
	resultant bounces) when SOMEBODY posts a followup to the
	whole list.

B.	I'm subscribed to only a handful of jag-lovers lists.  But,
	since you chose to post your survey to ALL the lists, I have
	several copies of it in my inbox -- each and every one of them
	assuring me that I will see several copies of the messages
	mentioned in (A) above.  I know that I'm not the only member
	of jag-lovers who will share this fate.  I can only pray that
	the jag-lovers lists will bounce foreign submits and that you
	somehow posted because you are in fact subscribed (I'm not
	counting on this though).

C.	The load on the jag-lovers servers which may result if there
	are crossposts (replete with complete, untrimmed copies of
	your original) will represent a major waste of resources, when
	you stop for a millisecond and consider the sheer number of
	copies of the messages which will be redistributed.  You sent
	one.  The server will send thousands upon thousands.

D.	In the case of jag-lovers, the PUB list would have been a
	good choice for a singular posting, WITHOUT crossposting to
	other lists, and probably would have been received very well.
	When posting to ANY mailing list, one should have a feel for
	what is appropriate on that mailing list - blindly posting
	material to many interrelated, yet specialized lists, when
	there exists one GENERAL INTEREST list, isn't a smooth move.

E.	Your usage of "The French" will not doubt be considered a
	derrogatory by someone of that nationality.  I may share your
	general concern that the spirit of a marque may be lost when
	it is bought out by a mass-market manufacturer, but I don't
	place much weight in that one NATION or another is worse off
	for the marque.

F.	I'd really rather the *JAGUAR* mailing lists (and thus my
	inbox), were not used as a platform to discuss a number of
	DIFFERENT MARQUES without bearing on the Jaguar.  I imagine
	someone on an MG or Triumph list may share similar concerns.

letter was enough of an intrusion, we don’t need to fill up the Hillman board
with junk about Jags. My suggestion is that you cut and paste the following

No need to crosspost generic material to every british car list you could
find either. For the record, discussion of Jags isn’t “junk”, though it,
like any other topic not related to a specific mailing list, may be
considered inappropriate on a list not about Jaguars.

When you take the time to consider writing verbage into your post about “if
people take offence” and “don’t reply to your mailing list”, you’ve
obviously realized that the post WILL offend and that it is somehow wrong.
Right about then, you should instead consider changing how you alert the
populace of the four corners of the globe. Crossposting isn’t the way.

on your list. If this didn’t upset too many people we will do “Rover” next
week, the car most likely to be introduced to America in the year 2000.

What the heck do you mean by “INTRODUCED to America?” Land Rover? They’ve
been sold here for many years. The local Jaguar dealership has Jaguars on
one side of the lot, and Land Rovers on the other.

PS - If you really plan to cover all the British automobile makes, why not
make the survey into a web based form, and simply alert people to the URL?

http://jaguar.professional.org/
Sean Straw '88 Jaguar XJSC 5.3L V12
Marin County, California '69 Buick GranSport 455 V8

Sean Straw wrote:

At 12:15 AM 5/14/98 -0400, MGMagnette posted to every list he
could find:

you consider this survey to be an intrusion on your list,

I find it to be an intrusion because:

I was just about to load both barrels and fill up the ol’ flamethrower
(cranked up to the “Chernobyl” setting") and reduce MGMagnette into pure
carbon…

Thanks Sean, you said it much better than I would have, and you did it
without flaming. Good job.

Just a reminder to everyone: Crossposting is strongly discouraged (as
in prepare to get your butt kicked by me if you ever try it). Sean’s
point about using the Pub list for this sort of thing (as long as it is
Jaguar related) is spot on.

Gunnar–
Gunnar Helliesen | Bergen IT Consult AS | NetBSD/VAX on a uVAX II
Systems Consultant | Bergen, Norway | '86 Jaguar Sovereign 4.2
@Gunnar_Helliesen1 | http://www.bitcon.no/ | '73 Mercedes 280 (240D)

From: MGMagnette MGMagnette@aol.com
Message-ID: bf69b0e4.355a6fe5@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 00:15:31 EDT
To: british-cars@autox.team.net, british-cars-pre-war@autox.team.net,

Subject: British Cars Owner Survey- 6 Questions
Sender: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org

  1. Do you own a Jaguar? If not, would you ever want one? Which one?
    Yes!, Yes!, any\all!
  1. What does the name “Jaguar” mean to you?
    Quality, styling, power, grace, leather, wood, fast, smooth,
    quiet, sporty, expensive, English auto.
  1. What is your general idea of what a Jaguar owner is like?

Earl Flynn

  1. What elements make a Jaguar a Jaguar?
    See answer to # 2.
  1. What don’t you like about Jaguars?
    ?
    No cup holders in the older models?
  1. What do you see in older Jaguars that you want to see in the modern
    versions as well?

Lack of ford input.>Thank you for your time, and though these aren’t alot of questions your

answers will cover alot of territory. I hope you didn’t mind this intrusion
on your list. If this didn’t upset too many people we will do “Rover” next
week, the car most likely to be introduced to America in the year 2000.
Thanks- John