[concours] Chrome swage line on XJ Series II V12

Hi !

The other thing that puzzled me at the recent Concours was that a 1975 XJ Series II V12 had a chrome “swage line”. I’ve always thought that it were only a temporary measure for the 1976 model year.

Any thoughts on this? Anyone?

Best regards
Baard Th Hesvik
Jaguar XJ6 4.2 litre Series I 1972 SWB - Dark Blue/Grey

I’m pretty darn sure the chrome “swage line” moldings were installed only on
upper-line Daimlers/VDP’s and, even then, only for certain markets.

I’m not really up on SerII cars but I was able to determine that, for
example, no USA Series III cars ever had the chrome even though a number of
upper-line “rest-of-world” models did.

Vague conclusion: only some models, only some markets.

Not much help, I’ll admit !

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA

The other thing that puzzled me at the recent Concours was that a 1975 XJ
Series II V12 had a chrome “swage line”. I’ve always thought that it were
only a temporary measure for the 1976 model year.----- Original Message -----
From: “Baard Th Hesvik” bhesvik@telesoft.no

Any thoughts on this? Anyone?

The Series II cars as I recall, were the ones that bankrupted Jaguar
because they got cheap! They did away with most of the wood on the
interior, except for the dash, they put crome only on the exterior, the
center console (until the US DOT said no because of the glare it
created), and the door handles. Even the gages had silver paint on the
bezels not chrome. I don’t recall EVER seeing chrome any where under the
hood of a Series II and I have been working on Jags since the Series III
cars were introduced. Oh yes there was ONE item under the hood that was
chrome, it was/is the transmission dipstick handle. And of course the
cap screws on the cam covers, headstuds, and cranckcase ventilation
filter cover, were chrome plated. Later in production, even those were
only polished. The V12 engines did not have chrome cap nuts (or dome
nuts as some people call them). Well now you got me wondering about the
nuts on the front of the cam covers on the V12’s…Jagdoc

writes:On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:20:21 +0200 Baard Th Hesvik bhesvik@telesoft.no

Hi !

The other thing that puzzled me at the recent Concours was that a
1975 XJ Series II V12 had a chrome “swage line”. I’ve always thought
that it were only a temporary measure for the 1976 model year.

Any thoughts on this? Anyone?

Best regards
Baard Th Hesvik
Jaguar XJ6 4.2 litre Series I 1972 SWB - Dark Blue/Grey


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Doug,
Making “top of the range” standard equipment standard on lower spec cars, has been characteristic for the whole XJ series production, particularely from Series II onwards. My personal theory is that as Jaguar was heading for a face-lift for the XJ, someone in the styling dept. didn’t realize that by the mid seventies, a chrome swage line was actually “out”, and pin tripe was the thing. So the chrome moulding inherited from the earlier Daimlers was actually “out of place” on the later V12, and existed for the 1976 model year only.

The funny thing is: What was it doing on a 1975 car? Thorley isn’t always right, though…

Best regards
Baard Th Hesvik
Jaguar XJ6 4.2 litre Series I 1972 SWB - Dark Blue/Grey

Good post, and one which raises another question:

Did/would Jaguar produce “special order” models? In other words, if someone
wanted a mix-and-match of equipment would Jaguar accommodate the request?
Let’s say a particular model was intended to have the chrome swage
moldings…would Jaguar delete them on request?

I once read where Jaguar would paint a car any color specified by the
customer (?).

That being said, I think it’s pretty well accepted that USA customers were
given almost no choices or options…at least compared to other markets,
where a much larger selection of equipment was offered.

Thoughts?

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA

Making “top of the range” standard equipment standard on lower spec cars,
has been characteristic for the whole XJ series production, particularely
from Series II onwards. My personal theory is that as Jaguar was heading for
a face-lift for the XJ, someone in the styling dept. didn’t realize that by
the mid seventies, a chrome swage line was actually “out”, and pin tripe was
the thing. So the chrome moulding inherited from the earlier Daimlers was
actually “out of place” on the later V12, and existed for the 1976 model
year only.

The funny thing is: What was it doing on a 1975 car? Thorley isn’t always
right, though…----- Original Message -----
From: “Baard Th Hesvik” bhesvik@telesoft.no

Good post, and one which raises another question:

Did/would Jaguar produce “special order” models? In other words, if someone
wanted a mix-and-match of equipment would Jaguar accommodate the request?
Let’s say a particular model was intended to have the chrome swage
moldings…would Jaguar delete them on request?

I once read where Jaguar would paint a car any color specified by the
customer (?).

That being said, I think it’s pretty well accepted that USA customers were
given almost no choices or options…at least compared to other markets,
where a much larger selection of equipment was offered.

Thoughts?

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA

Making “top of the range” standard equipment standard on lower spec cars,
has been characteristic for the whole XJ series production, particularely
from Series II onwards. My personal theory is that as Jaguar was heading for
a face-lift for the XJ, someone in the styling dept. didn’t realize that by
the mid seventies, a chrome swage line was actually “out”, and pin tripe was
the thing. So the chrome moulding inherited from the earlier Daimlers was
actually “out of place” on the later V12, and existed for the 1976 model
year only.

The funny thing is: What was it doing on a 1975 car? Thorley isn’t always
right, though…----- Original Message -----
From: “Baard Th Hesvik” bhesvik@telesoft.no

Doug,
Thank you, likewise! This is something I’ve thought about a lot. A friend of mine went, a few years ago, to Coventry to specify and purchase his second X300. His first was a Jaguar, which he had to pretty much detail specified himself, including many Daimler options. The car was in effect a re-badged Daimler. The second one being a Daimler Century, (for the celebration of 100 years of Daimler) he - for obvious reasons - wasn’t allowed to re-badge it to Jaguar.

Other stories have been heard; about Jaguars leaving the factory with Daimler interiors (I’ve asked this particular entrant to produce documentation, or I’ll duck him next year too!).

As my boot interior was i pretty bad shape when I bought the car, I opted for black carpet in stead of Hardura. Years later I learned that only Daimlers were so equipped, so in spite of correct type, color and fitting, I’m occationally being ducked for this. Although once, the judge actually claimed the color was wrong, thus deducted 5 points.

It would indeed be interresting to know to which extend the factory would accommodate such special requests. As a Concours judge, I’d dread it!

Any color seems a bit over the top, but I seem to remember having read somewhere that Series II (effectively cars made whilst under BL ownership) cars could be specified in any BL color available… I have to check my literature.

Cheers,
Baard

Pretty much all Jaguar XJ Coupes were equipped with black boot carpet.
Saloons had the hardura. My XJ6C has black carpet. Sort of a cheesy black
mouse fur affair. Nicer than hardura, though.

I haven’t heard that Jaguar still painted in ANY color during S2 times.
They did have some “special order” colors such as Signal Red. If I were
judging a car painted in a non-Jaguar color, I’d certainly want to see
documentation about the color.
-Steve A.
'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40

Baard Th Hesvik wrote:>As my boot interior was i pretty bad shape when I bought the car, I opted

for black carpet in stead of Hardura. Years later I learned that only
Daimlers were so equipped, so in spite of correct type, color and fitting,
I’m occationally being ducked for this. Although once, the judge actually
claimed the color was wrong, thus deducted 5 points.

It would indeed be interresting to know to which extend the factory would
accommodate such special requests. As a Concours judge, I’d dread it!

Any color seems a bit over the top, but I seem to remember having read
somewhere that Series II (effectively cars made whilst under BL ownership)
cars could be specified in any BL color available… I have to check my
literature.