[concours] JCNA Class 18

I’m contemplating entering my XJ6C in Class 18 (Preservation Class). My
thoughts in this direction were prompted by the prospect of my largely
original car in competition against a well-done, ground-up restoration. I
was originally concerned that an entry in Class 18 would jeopardize my
Class 11 standings (I still plan to enter 3 shows in Class 11). After doing
research, it appears that it’s allowable to enter a car in its “native”
class and Class 18 IN THE SAME EVENT. Can anyone indicate to me why, based
on the rules, that this isn’t so?

There would certainly be disadvantages to the entrant by doing so. For
example, my good, original carpets consistently pick up deductions in Class
11 but my perfect “show carpets” should be death in Class 18.

What’s more, reading the rules, I’m less clear than ever about how Class 18
should be judged. There’s a fine and poorly defined line between continued
maintenance of a car and restoration of same. For example, I’ve replaced
the deteriorated EGR insulation on my XJ6C. Is that maintenance or
restoration? I replaced the distributor that exploded last year.
Maintenance or restoration? Similarly, I try not to let stone chips
accumulate - that path leads to rust. Is THAT maintenance or restoration?
What about leather conditioning with conditioner that has a dye component?
What about those waxes that have color in them to help the old paint look
richer? Has this Class 18 been thought through carefully? I’m told (by a
source that will remain nameless) that last year’s winning Class 18 car had
chromed headlight buckets. I can’t tell if this is so from the JJ photo,
but the owner did talk about all the change he made to the car. Why is
Preservation Class a competitive class in the first place? That very
characteristic would seem to lead to LESS preservation of good, original
cars rather than more. It seems unlikely to me that any 34 year-old car not
kept in a cocoon would be able to score a three-show average of 99.937 in
Preservation Class. Heck, I doubt that Jaguar built them that good then.
Even the rules seem to presume that scores will be low in Class 18 since
the threshold for a first place is 80 points rather than the usual 90. What
gives?

Anyway, assuming that I entered three Class 11 events and two Class 18
events (with one being a double entry), would I then be eligible for two
JCNA trophies in the same year (a Regional and a North American)?

Inquiring minds want to know!
-Steve A.
'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40

I don’t know about entering them in the same class in the same concours, but
I don’t think there is any restriction about entering it in different
classes in different concours.

I liked the concept of Preservation Class, however my concern was similar to
yours. I had no idea how they were going to tell the difference between an
original car and one restored to original standards. The current owner could
be totally honest when he says the car is original, but would he know if
three owners and fifteen years ago the car had undergone a ground up
restoration?

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson
1952 XK120 Rdstr (w/ XK140 C head) S673129
1958 Mark 1 / 1984 XJ6 / 1985 VDP / 1986 VDP
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From: owner-concours@jag-lovers.org
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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:02 PM
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [concours] JCNA Class 18

I’m contemplating entering my XJ6C in Class 18 (Preservation Class). My
thoughts in this direction were prompted by the prospect of my largely
original car in competition against a well-done, ground-up restoration. I
was originally concerned that an entry in Class 18 would jeopardize my
Class 11 standings (I still plan to enter 3 shows in Class 11). After doing
research, it appears that it’s allowable to enter a car in its “native”
class and Class 18 IN THE SAME EVENT. Can anyone indicate to me why, based
on the rules, that this isn’t so?

There would certainly be disadvantages to the entrant by doing so. For
example, my good, original carpets consistently pick up deductions in Class
11 but my perfect “show carpets” should be death in Class 18.

What’s more, reading the rules, I’m less clear than ever about how Class 18
should be judged. There’s a fine and poorly defined line between continued
maintenance of a car and restoration of same. For example, I’ve replaced
the deteriorated EGR insulation on my XJ6C. Is that maintenance or
restoration? I replaced the distributor that exploded last year.
Maintenance or restoration? Similarly, I try not to let stone chips
accumulate - that path leads to rust. Is THAT maintenance or restoration?
What about leather conditioning with conditioner that has a dye component?
What about those waxes that have color in them to help the old paint look
richer? Has this Class 18 been thought through carefully? I’m told (by a
source that will remain nameless) that last year’s winning Class 18 car had
chromed headlight buckets. I can’t tell if this is so from the JJ photo,
but the owner did talk about all the change he made to the car. Why is
Preservation Class a competitive class in the first place? That very
characteristic would seem to lead to LESS preservation of good, original
cars rather than more. It seems unlikely to me that any 34 year-old car not
kept in a cocoon would be able to score a three-show average of 99.937 in
Preservation Class. Heck, I doubt that Jaguar built them that good then.
Even the rules seem to presume that scores will be low in Class 18 since
the threshold for a first place is 80 points rather than the usual 90. What
gives?

Anyway, assuming that I entered three Class 11 events and two Class 18
events (with one being a double entry), would I then be eligible for two
JCNA trophies in the same year (a Regional and a North American)?

Inquiring minds want to know!
-Steve A.
'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40

Since I owned the car fifteen years ago, I guess that one would be on me!

Going back fifteen years isn’t enough - I occasionally discover things
wrong on my car that I didn’t do. For some reason, the cars tended to get
modified fairly quickly when new. What’ more, even if the owner has had the
car since new, unless he/she did all the work themselves, the possiblitity
of kludges creeps in.

I got a call from Jerry Nell on this - he indicated that, in fact, it WAS
proper to enter the car in both Class 11 and Class 18 AT THE SAME SHOW and,
further, if it qualified, that it could conceivably win JCNA awards in both
classes. Apparently, the possibility wasn’t considered when Class 18 was
created. Even knowing of the loophole, I’m not sure it needs to be closed
as this is unlikely to be a common occurrence in any event. I can count the
number of Class 18 cars I’ve seen on the fingers of no hands.

That being said, I’m not sure it’s a good idea to try it - returning my
XJ6C to the best Class 18 car it can be will hurt its Class 11 score in
that event.
-Steve A.
'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40

Mark Stephenson wrote:>I don’t know about entering them in the same class in the same concours, but

I don’t think there is any restriction about entering it in different
classes in different concours.

I liked the concept of Preservation Class, however my concern was similar to
yours. I had no idea how they were going to tell the difference between an
original car and one restored to original standards. The current owner could
be totally honest when he says the car is original, but would he know if
three owners and fifteen years ago the car had undergone a ground up
restoration?