[concours] JCNA -- "North American," NOT "National"

10/18/01

Hi all – Some of you are referring to JCNA “nationals” – in fact, Jaguar
Clubs of North America (JCNA) provides “North American” trophies for the
very best Cats in Champion and Driven classes, NOT “nationals”. JCNA
includes six clubs in Canada, and two in Mexico. Thus, the “North
American” class, presented for any Cats which are showed in at least three
JCNA concours in a given year, at the AGM in the following year. These
trophies are based on a composite of the three scores judged for that Cat
at the three shows.

My original late '59 Mark IX, RHETT (792817 BW) was awarded this trophy for
1997, in the then-new Class 18, Preservation. The presentation was by Tom
Palisi, at the JCNA 14th Annual AGM in Denver CO, on 19 March '98. His
composite score was 99.253330. The trophy (an elegant two-handled silver
mug, made by Pinder Bros. Ltd. in Sheffield, England) is engraved: “JCNA
– 1997 – NORTH AMERICAN – CHAMPION - CLASS 18 – LARRY & SUE MARTZ –
1959 MK IX SALOON”. This is RHETT’s “permanent” trophy, the highest honor
he’s ever had. I display it on his left rear picnic table at shows.

So – in JCNA Concours, NO “nationals” – rather, “North Americans”, eh!
Take care – Larry Martz

Larry

Canadian clubs are quite active but even though there is a mexican club, I
haven’t seen any scores from them so far.

I think we use the word “national” to differentiate with the “regional”
awards… But you’re right, now on I will use the North American appelation
instead…

Pascal----- Original Message -----
From: “Larry Martz” jagmkix@cwo.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: “Dick Cavicke” f8driver@pacbell.net; “Mike Cook” mlcooknj@msn.com
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 12:43 PM
Subject: [concours] JCNA – “North American,” NOT “National”

10/18/01

Hi all – Some of you are referring to JCNA “nationals” – in fact, Jaguar
Clubs of North America (JCNA) provides “North American” trophies for the
very best Cats in Champion and Driven classes, NOT “nationals”. JCNA
includes six clubs in Canada, and two in Mexico. Thus, the “North
American” class, presented for any Cats which are showed in at least three
JCNA concours in a given year, at the AGM in the following year. These
trophies are based on a composite of the three scores judged for that Cat
at the three shows.

My original late '59 Mark IX, RHETT (792817 BW) was awarded this trophy
for
1997, in the then-new Class 18, Preservation. The presentation was by Tom
Palisi, at the JCNA 14th Annual AGM in Denver CO, on 19 March '98. His
composite score was 99.253330. The trophy (an elegant two-handled silver
mug, made by Pinder Bros. Ltd. in Sheffield, England) is engraved: “JCNA
– 1997 – NORTH AMERICAN – CHAMPION - CLASS 18 – LARRY & SUE MARTZ –
1959 MK IX SALOON”. This is RHETT’s “permanent” trophy, the highest honor
he’s ever had. I display it on his left rear picnic table at shows.

So – in JCNA Concours, NO “nationals” – rather, “North Americans”, eh!
Take care – Larry Martz

“National” is shorter than “North American.” I’ll try to remember to call it
NA points.

Mark-----Original Message-----
From: owner-concours@jag-lovers.org
[mailto:owner-concours@jag-lovers.org]On Behalf Of Larry Martz
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 9:43 AM
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: Dick Cavicke; Mike Cook
Subject: [concours] JCNA – “North American,” NOT “National”

10/18/01

Hi all – Some of you are referring to JCNA “nationals” – in fact, Jaguar
Clubs of North America (JCNA) provides “North American” trophies for the
very best Cats in Champion and Driven classes, NOT “nationals”. JCNA
includes six clubs in Canada, and two in Mexico. Thus, the “North
American” class, presented for any Cats which are showed in at least three
JCNA concours in a given year, at the AGM in the following year. These
trophies are based on a composite of the three scores judged for that Cat
at the three shows.

My original late '59 Mark IX, RHETT (792817 BW) was awarded this trophy for
1997, in the then-new Class 18, Preservation. The presentation was by Tom
Palisi, at the JCNA 14th Annual AGM in Denver CO, on 19 March '98. His
composite score was 99.253330. The trophy (an elegant two-handled silver
mug, made by Pinder Bros. Ltd. in Sheffield, England) is engraved: “JCNA
– 1997 – NORTH AMERICAN – CHAMPION - CLASS 18 – LARRY & SUE MARTZ –
1959 MK IX SALOON”. This is RHETT’s “permanent” trophy, the highest honor
he’s ever had. I display it on his left rear picnic table at shows.

So – in JCNA Concours, NO “nationals” – rather, “North Americans”, eh!
Take care – Larry Martz

Cease fire - White Flag - Blue Helmet ! I surrender ! I wil never do
it again !

Pascal

PS
BTW Mike, when is the next JJ coming out ?----- Original Message -----
From: michael cook=20
To: Pascal Gademer ; concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: DCavicke
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [concours] JCNA – “North American,” NOT “National”

Hi all -
Just confirming - we worked quite hard over the years to establish
JCNA as an international organization, covering all of North America so
the term “national” was really not correct. I was born in Canada so I
understand!

“North American” has a good sound to it.

Mike

Hi all -
Just confirming - we worked quite hard over the years to establish JCNA
is an international organization, covering all of North America so the term
“national” was really not correct. I was born in Canada so I understand!

“North American” has a good sound to it.

Mike----- Original Message -----
From: Pascal Gademer
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:22 PM
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: Dick Cavicke; Mike Cook
Subject: Re: [concours] JCNA – “North American,” NOT “National”

Larry

Canadian clubs are quite active but even though there is a mexican club, I
haven’t seen any scores from them so far.

I think we use the word “national” to differentiate with the “regional”
awards… But you’re right, now on I will use the North American appelation
instead…

Pascal

Hi Mike,
This confusion about “National” vs North American championships
provided by Jaguar Clubs of “North America” has been around for some time
now. Perhaps an editorial in Jaguar Journal touching on this subject is in
order to finally clarify this point for the general membership.
Hal Kritzman----- Original Message -----
From: “michael cook” mlcooknj@msn.com
To: “Pascal Gademer” concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 10:19 PM
Subject: Re: [concours] JCNA – “North American,” NOT “National”

Hi all -
Just confirming - we worked quite hard over the years to establish JCNA
is an international organization, covering all of North America so the
term
“national” was really not correct. I was born in Canada so I understand!

“North American” has a good sound to it.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Pascal Gademer
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 1:22 PM
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: Dick Cavicke; Mike Cook
Subject: Re: [concours] JCNA – “North American,” NOT “National”

Larry

Canadian clubs are quite active but even though there is a mexican club, I
haven’t seen any scores from them so far.

I think we use the word “national” to differentiate with the “regional”
awards… But you’re right, now on I will use the North American
appelation
instead…

Pascal

Just confirming - among other scofflaws are the little “I worked hard on my
Champion” articles published in the Jaguar Journal each year. I know Mike
must have to stop twice before publishing these without correcting the
misnomer. My favorite was the one about the XK8 that, in Champion, had to
be pushed off the trailer on to the field (not allowed by the rules), “but
it was a National Champion.” Sheesh! If you read them closely, many others
are similarly amusing considering the scores the cars got. The Champions
also sometimes have deductible authenticity problems you can pick out even
in the smallish pictures.

                                          -Steve A.

'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40—

Mike Cook wrote:

Just confirming - we worked quite hard over the years to establish JCNA
is an international organization, covering all of North America so the term
“national” was really not correct. I was born in Canada so I understand!

“North American” has a good sound to it.

An article won’t make much difference. It’s a habit, and not one easily
broken. The NA will save me keystrokes, so I’ll try to remember.

Mark-----Original Message-----
From: owner-concours@jag-lovers.org
[mailto:owner-concours@jag-lovers.org]On Behalf Of coinman1
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 2:12 PM
To: mlcooknj@msn.com
Cc: concours@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [concours] JCNA – “North American,” NOT “National”

Hi Mike,
This confusion about “National” vs North American championships
provided by Jaguar Clubs of “North America” has been around for some time
now. Perhaps an editorial in Jaguar Journal touching on this subject is in
order to finally clarify this point for the general membership.
Hal Kritzman

Maybe this is why we should go to the format that is used at Pebble Beach where
the cars are driven to the judges arena. At least we would know the cars
actually run!!

Len Wheeler

Steve Averill wrote:> Just confirming - among other scofflaws are the little "I worked hard on my

Champion" articles published in the Jaguar Journal each year. I know Mike
must have to stop twice before publishing these without correcting the
misnomer. My favorite was the one about the XK8 that, in Champion, had to
be pushed off the trailer on to the field (not allowed by the rules), “but
it was a National Champion.” Sheesh! If you read them closely, many others
are similarly amusing considering the scores the cars got. The Champions
also sometimes have deductible authenticity problems you can pick out even
in the smallish pictures.

                                          -Steve A.

'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40


Mike Cook wrote:

Just confirming - we worked quite hard over the years to establish JCNA
is an international organization, covering all of North America so the term
“national” was really not correct. I was born in Canada so I understand!

“North American” has a good sound to it.

trailering an XK8 ? this is sick !

:slight_smile:

Pascal----- Original Message -----
From: “Steve Averill” averill@earthlink.net
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: mlcooknj@msn.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2001 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [concours] JCNA – “North American,” NOT “National”

Just confirming - among other scofflaws are the little “I worked hard on
my
Champion” articles published in the Jaguar Journal each year. I know Mike
must have to stop twice before publishing these without correcting the
misnomer. My favorite was the one about the XK8 that, in Champion, had to
be pushed off the trailer on to the field (not allowed by the rules), “but
it was a National Champion.” Sheesh! If you read them closely, many others
are similarly amusing considering the scores the cars got. The Champions
also sometimes have deductible authenticity problems you can pick out even
in the smallish pictures.

                                          -Steve A.

'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40


Mike Cook wrote:

Just confirming - we worked quite hard over the years to establish JCNA
is an international organization, covering all of North America so the
term
“national” was really not correct. I was born in Canada so I understand!

“North American” has a good sound to it.