[concours] Re: Concours Digest V1 #170

In a message dated 6/12/01 7:13:13 AM Central Daylight Time,
owner-concours-digest@jag-lovers.org writes:

<< Bob,
I’m nearly positive that white-stripe tires were standard fitment on all USA
bound cars, optional for all other markets. As far as concours regulations,
no matter. So long as the size is correct, any brand is OK, as is
whitewall, whitestripe, red stripe, blackwall…

Or so I’ve been told !

FWIW (I know you didn’t ask for my crummy 2 cents !), I don’t like
whitewalls on the XJ’s. But, a white stripe (oh, let’s say 15mm or less)
is quite attractive.

Doug Dwyer >>

Doug, you are right on track. Just in case you need the “Scripture and the
Verse”,

Page 6-2 d.)

",,,,,,,,There shall be no penalties taken for the Owner's preference of 

white or
black wall or red line cosmetics. Any brand is acceptable. Size must be
consistent with the original profile. Type must be consistent with
availability for the vintage of the Jaguar. All five tires installed on a
Jaguar presented for judging must be identical in manufacturer, model and
tire size."

This is out of the revised 1997 Judges' manual, 6th Reordered edition.

        David Nichols
        Concours Chairman
        Jaguar Owners Associtation of the SouthWest

Thankyou to both Doug and David for your input concerning my tire selection.
A while back I had asked Jaguar the same question and did not until a few
minuets ago get an answer. I was beginning to think they were not going to
send me a reply so I posted the question to you guys. The E-mail I just
received from them informs me to their knowledge and records, no cars of my
model and year were sent to the North American market fitted with tires
showing any white on the side walls. Assuming this is correct information for
my car, would I still be correct in fitting such tires. I have been
meticulous with the selection of parts that I have used in the restoration of
my car. I have checked and double checked to make sure that the parts conform
to those that were fitted as it came off the production line. I believed this
to be the point of concours competition. If white wall tires are excepted,
(and I am not attempting an argument just and understanding of the rules)
even though they are not supplied by the factory, what other allowances or
compromises would I have been allowed with regard to my restoration. Am I
being more detail concise than I need be.
Thanks in advance for your advise. Bob.

Sorry for the spelling error. It was spell check’s fault, well that’s my
excuse and I sticking to it. I was of course referring to minutes, as in time
not the dance.
Bob.

I was really hoping Gregory would have jumped in by now to bail us out !!
:slight_smile:

I took a peek at various Series III brochures (from the J-L archives) and
found not a single picture of a SerIII with whitewalls…North American or
otherwise. I didn’t read the standard/optional equipment specifications,
though.

Looking at some contemporary road tests, I saw that some were whitewall,
most were blackwall…but the whitewall equipped cars were all from the USA
(but not all USA cars were whitewall).

Hmmmmmm…

Now…as to the concours. I am so far from being an expert that anything I
say must be considered conjecture at best.
I don’t think you’ll run into a scoring problem because:

A) the rules say that whitewall/blackwall/redwall does not matter. Only size
matters (no jokes…this is serious !)
B) I would suppose that if a hard and fast, no exceptions, carved-in-granite
rule could have been established, it would have been established.
C) Some latitude is granted because OEM tires are simply not available
today. Just get the right size and the rest is “good enough”.

Stopping now before I muddle the issue any further. Anxious to hear from a
more experienced lister !

Cheers

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA

Thankyou to both Doug and David for your input concerning my tire
selection.
A while back I had asked Jaguar the same question and did not until a few
minuets ago get an answer. I was beginning to think they were not going to
send me a reply so I posted the question to you guys. The E-mail I just
received from them informs me to their knowledge and records, no cars of
my
model and year were sent to the North American market fitted with tires
showing any white on the side walls. Assuming this is correct information
for
my car, would I still be correct in fitting such tires. I have been
meticulous with the selection of parts that I have used in the restoration
of
my car. I have checked and double checked to make sure that the parts
conform
to those that were fitted as it came off the production line. I believed
this----- Original Message -----
From: Peddlarbob@aol.com
to be the point of concours competition. If white wall tires are excepted,
(and I am not attempting an argument just and understanding of the rules)
even though they are not supplied by the factory, what other allowances or
compromises would I have been allowed with regard to my restoration. Am I
being more detail concise than I need be.
Thanks in advance for your advise. Bob.

In a message dated 6/12/01 7:33:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
DWYERD@email.msn.com writes:

<< Stopping now before I muddle the issue any further. Anxious to hear from a
more experienced lister ! >>

Doug, I very much appreciate your views which never seem muddled to me,
thanks.
Bob.

A while back I had asked Jaguar the same question and did not until a few
minuets ago get an answer. I was beginning to think they were not going to
send me a reply so I posted the question to you guys. The E-mail I just
received from them informs me to their knowledge and records, [snipped]

By the way, how exactly did you contact them ? Do they have a specific
department/group/person for such inquiries?

On-and-off over the years the various General Motors divisions have had
customer “hobby” or “history” departments which handled that sort of thing.
Sadly, whenever belt-tightening occurs such services are (understandably)
the first to get the axe. I don’t think any of them still exist, with the
possible exception of the Corvette “hobby line.”

Cheers and thanks,
Doug----- Original Message -----
From: Peddlarbob@aol.com

Doug. A long time ago I was given the name of an engineer at Jaguar who
over the years I have stayed in touch with. I send him my questions and
normally he sends me back the answers or tells me who to contact directly.
Bob.