[concours] Re: Concours Digest V1 #242

In a message dated 11/18/01 8:48:18 PM Central Standard Time,
owner-concours-digest@jag-lovers.org writes:

<< Bob, yes these results also seemed out of the ordinary when I saw them …
over 50% 100 points entry in champion and too many near perfect cas in
driven.

Pascal >>

You only saw the “good” scores, there were 61 (sixty one) cars entered at the
Galveston concours (Houston). Common practice is to put your score sheets in
the trash bin if they are embarrassing. There were 30 (thirty) cars that the
scores were not reported. I was judging D8 and ran out of space in the
“non-authentic” area of the score sheet on a couple of cars. Nobody got any
slack. All the high scoring cars are seasoned concours entrants, mostly
Trailer Queens (for better or worse, but that’s another issue) that have had
countless hours and $ spent on them and had taken licks previously, gone home
and fixed the problems. This was the 6th (sixth) or more concours for 2001
for most of these cars.

To me, considering using the judging at Franklin as a benchmark is a sick
joke. I was there.

                                                 David Nichols

What happened at Franklin? Specifics please, not name-calling. It doesn’t
appear that you had a car entered. Were you a judge? If you weren’t a judge
then you must have been involved with someone who didn’t like the score they
received or had some other disagreement. If judging was “a sick joke,” they
should have filed a protest, or as a judge, you should be taking up your
disagreements with the JCNA concours committee. I’m not going to argue that
Franklin would be perfect, but there you had the largest pool of judges and
the most experienced Jaguar people, so it should have been as good as it
gets.

The problem in Texas is that Dallas had 7 100s on 9/22, Houston had 8 100s
10/2, Austin had 7 100s 10/13. The idea of throwing out score sheets would
explain the high average, but the rest of the country is lucky to have a
single 100 at their show, much less seven or eight. Even Franklin, where
there were 89 Championship entries only had two 100s. You would have had to
have over 300 championship entries at those 100-fests to have the same
percentage of hundreds.

Now even you would have to admit that on the surface something appears to
be amiss. I’ll admit that it’s possible, no matter how unlikely, to have a
cluster of perfect cars in one area. Competition will breed excellence.

Here is a listing of the people who earned at least one 100 at the three
shows with a surfeit of 100s, Jag Owners of the Southwest, Jaguar Club of
Houston, and Jaguar Club of Austin, along with scores at other shows I found
they attended, Central Oklahoma Jaguar Club, Challenge of Champions, San
Antonio Jaguar Club, and JAG St. Louis.

 26-May 29-Jul 22-Sep 29-Sep   2-Oct    6-Oct 13-Oct
   COJA   CofC  JOASW   SAJC Houston St.Louis Austin

AB-1b 100 99.99 100 100
MM-5 99.94 100 99.99 100 100
BM-6 100 100
MM-7 100 99.99 100 100
SW-8 99.66 99.95 99.98 99.44 100
WD-9 99.95 100 100 100
DN-13 99.99 100 100 100 99.99
CC-14 99.98 99.77 99.99 100 100
MM-15 99.96 99.99 100
BH-16 100 99.98 100 100
AH-19 100 99.96 100

As you can see, of the six people with at least three perfect scores, four
earned hundreds at those three shows and nowhere else. Two earned hundreds
at two of the three shows and and one elsewhere.

I was looking primarily at Texas and Oklahoma members so it is possible that
BM-6 might have earned another 100 elsewhere.

Note that the scores at the other shows were quite high in most cases, but
not perfect, SW-8 being the exception.

Did people prepare their cars more thoroughly for the three concours, or did
the judges just look harder at the other four? I feel pretty certain that
was the case at the C of C because scores there were lower overall.

I still think using the average championship and driven score at the C of C
as a baseline and adjusting the scores at other concours accordingly is an
excellent way to even out the vagaries of judging, but you’d have to stop
throwing out the embarrassing scores. Just a questions, do those people
forgo their trophies, too, or do they throw them out after the awards
ceremony.

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson (@Mark_Stephenson2)
1952 XK120 Roadster S673129
1958 Mark 1 / 1984 XJ6 / 1985,6,7 XJ6 VDP
Jaguar Club of Central Arizona (www.cableone.net/jcca)

You only saw the “good” scores, there were 61 (sixty one) cars entered at
the
Galveston concours (Houston). Common practice is to put your score sheets
in
the trash bin if they are embarrassing. There were 30 (thirty) cars that
the
scores were not reported. I was judging D8 and ran out of space in the
“non-authentic” area of the score sheet on a couple of cars. Nobody got any
slack. All the high scoring cars are seasoned concours entrants, mostly
Trailer Queens (for better or worse, but that’s another issue) that have had
countless hours and $ spent on them and had taken licks previously, gone
home
and fixed the problems. This was the 6th (sixth) or more concours for 2001
for most of these cars.

To me, considering using the judging at Franklin as a benchmark is a sick
joke. I was there.

                                                 David Nichols