[concours] XJ6 S1 Underbonnet Insulation

Does anyone know with certainty whether the SWB Series 1 XJ6 had insulation
under the bonnet? If so, any idea of what type or where to procure?
Thanks.
Bill----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Averill averill@earthlink.net
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: E2plus2@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [concours] S-III 2+2 Sun Visors

Rex Henderson wrote:

Hi folks. I am an active member on the E-Type and a ‘lurker’ on the
digest
version of this one. Noting that there is not a lot of activity to
produce
digests, would appreciate a reply off list.

How are the edges of the sun visors supposed to be finished off? Mine
had
some kind of vinyl taping sewn on with small chrome/metal clips on each
end.
They came back from the upholsterer without. What would a concours
judge
say
about this?

I took a look at ORIGINAL JAGUAR E-type and it didn’t have any decent
shots
of the closed S3 car. However, it did have a fairly good shot of some S2
visors and they didn’t appear to have any kind of vinyl taping. The shot
didn’t show the inboard edge of the visors, so that wouldn’t help much
about the clips.

Combined with Pascal’s answer, my guess is that the taping was an earlier
attempt to extend your car’s visor life.

                                          -Steve A.

'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40

Bill:

From original, yes, but that stuff is horrible. I have in past cut W126
chassis (1980s S class) Mercedes pads to fit, they work great. You need
something there bottom line or the paint will wear thin from heat.

At 08:18 11.03.00 -0800, Bill Treshler wrote:>Does anyone know with certainty whether the SWB Series 1 XJ6 had insulation

under the bonnet? If so, any idea of what type or where to procure?
Thanks.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Averill averill@earthlink.net
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: E2plus2@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [concours] S-III 2+2 Sun Visors

Rex Henderson wrote:

Hi folks. I am an active member on the E-Type and a ‘lurker’ on the
digest
version of this one. Noting that there is not a lot of activity to
produce
digests, would appreciate a reply off list.

How are the edges of the sun visors supposed to be finished off? Mine
had
some kind of vinyl taping sewn on with small chrome/metal clips on each
end.
They came back from the upholsterer without. What would a concours
judge
say
about this?

I took a look at ORIGINAL JAGUAR E-type and it didn’t have any decent
shots
of the closed S3 car. However, it did have a fairly good shot of some S2
visors and they didn’t appear to have any kind of vinyl taping. The shot
didn’t show the inboard edge of the visors, so that wouldn’t help much
about the clips.

Combined with Pascal’s answer, my guess is that the taping was an earlier
attempt to extend your car’s visor life.

                                          -Steve A.

'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40


Cheers-

William “Chip” Lamb
West of Sweden SAAB
Charles City, VA.
http://www.wmsbrg.com/sweden/


Bill: the S1 car had two pieces of 1/2 black felt-like material on either
side of the support beam. I can’t help with suppliers, sorry.
Gregory-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Treshler billt@inreach.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org concours@jag-lovers.org
Date: Saturday, March 11, 2000 8:18 AM
Subject: [concours] XJ6 S1 Underbonnet Insulation

Does anyone know with certainty whether the SWB Series 1 XJ6 had insulation
under the bonnet? If so, any idea of what type or where to procure?
Thanks.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Averill averill@earthlink.net
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: E2plus2@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [concours] S-III 2+2 Sun Visors

Rex Henderson wrote:

Hi folks. I am an active member on the E-Type and a ‘lurker’ on the
digest
version of this one. Noting that there is not a lot of activity to
produce
digests, would appreciate a reply off list.

How are the edges of the sun visors supposed to be finished off? Mine
had
some kind of vinyl taping sewn on with small chrome/metal clips on
each
end.
They came back from the upholsterer without. What would a concours
judge
say
about this?

I took a look at ORIGINAL JAGUAR E-type and it didn’t have any decent
shots
of the closed S3 car. However, it did have a fairly good shot of some S2
visors and they didn’t appear to have any kind of vinyl taping. The shot
didn’t show the inboard edge of the visors, so that wouldn’t help much
about the clips.

Combined with Pascal’s answer, my guess is that the taping was an earlier
attempt to extend your car’s visor life.

                                          -Steve A.

'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40

Niether the Series 1 or Series 2 had insulation. There was a
undercoating prayed under the bonnet, somthing like what was used on the
lower body sills to protect against stone chips. It is black. JagdocOn Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:18:03 -0800 “Bill Treshler” billt@inreach.com writes: Does anyone know with certainty whether the SWB Series 1 XJ6 had insulation under the bonnet? If so, any idea of what type or where to procure? Thanks. Bill Original Message ----- From: Steve Averill averill@earthlink.net To: concours@jag-lovers.org Cc: E2plus2@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 3:49 AM Subject: Re: [concours] S-III 2+2 Sun Visors Rex Henderson wrote:

Hi folks. I am an active member on the E-Type and a ‘lurker’ on
the
digest
version of this one. Noting that there is not a lot of
activity to
produce
digests, would appreciate a reply off list.

How are the edges of the sun visors supposed to be finished
off? Mine
had
some kind of vinyl taping sewn on with small chrome/metal clips
on each
end.
They came back from the upholsterer without. What would a
concours
judge
say
about this?

I took a look at ORIGINAL JAGUAR E-type and it didn’t have any
decent
shots
of the closed S3 car. However, it did have a fairly good shot of
some S2
visors and they didn’t appear to have any kind of vinyl taping.
The shot
didn’t show the inboard edge of the visors, so that wouldn’t help
much
about the clips.

Combined with Pascal’s answer, my guess is that the taping was an
earlier
attempt to extend your car’s visor life.

                                          -Steve A.

'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40


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David: The S1 and most of the S2 cars DID have bonnet insulation. The late
S2 often did not. The cars you have seen may have had the insulation pad
removed, or have had it fall off (my 74 MGB, for example, has lost its pad;
anyone looking at it now would assume that it never had one).
Gregory-----Original Message-----
From: David S Meck dmeck@juno.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org concours@jag-lovers.org
Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [concours] XJ6 S1 Underbonnet Insulation

Niether the Series 1 or Series 2 had insulation. There was a
undercoating prayed under the bonnet, somthing like what was used on the
lower body sills to protect against stone chips. It is black. Jagdoc

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:18:03 -0800 “Bill Treshler” billt@inreach.com writes: Does anyone know with certainty whether the SWB Series 1 XJ6 had insulation under the bonnet? If so, any idea of what type or where to procure? Thanks. Bill Original Message ----- From: Steve Averill averill@earthlink.net To: concours@jag-lovers.org Cc: E2plus2@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 3:49 AM Subject: Re: [concours] S-III 2+2 Sun Visors Rex Henderson wrote:

Hi folks. I am an active member on the E-Type and a ‘lurker’ on
the
digest
version of this one. Noting that there is not a lot of
activity to
produce
digests, would appreciate a reply off list.

How are the edges of the sun visors supposed to be finished
off? Mine
had
some kind of vinyl taping sewn on with small chrome/metal clips
on each
end.
They came back from the upholsterer without. What would a
concours
judge
say
about this?

I took a look at ORIGINAL JAGUAR E-type and it didn’t have any
decent
shots
of the closed S3 car. However, it did have a fairly good shot of
some S2
visors and they didn’t appear to have any kind of vinyl taping.
The shot
didn’t show the inboard edge of the visors, so that wouldn’t help
much
about the clips.

Combined with Pascal’s answer, my guess is that the taping was an
earlier
attempt to extend your car’s visor life.

                                          -Steve A.

'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40


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Ok you made me dig out the microfiche. You’re right a insulation pad was
offered. The part number was BD38139 for all countries except CH. The
small pad part number is BD40915. At present I am rebuilding a motor for
a Series 1 SWB. The body is at the body shop. When it gets back I’ll
take a look for the pad, I don’t remember seeing one though.

I have never seen these on any of the Series 2 cars I have ever worked on
going back to 1985. My Fiche is dated 1980 though.
Jagdoc

On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 10:22:33 -0800 “Dr Gregory Andrachuk”
mgb@UVVM.UVIC.CA writes:> David: The S1 and most of the S2 cars DID have bonnet insulation. The

late
S2 often did not. The cars you have seen may have had the insulation
pad
removed, or have had it fall off (my 74 MGB, for example, has lost
its pad;
anyone looking at it now would assume that it never had one).
Gregory
-----Original Message-----
From: David S Meck <@David_S_Meck>
To: concours@jag-lovers.org concours@jag-lovers.org
Date: Sunday, March 12, 2000 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [concours] XJ6 S1 Underbonnet Insulation

Niether the Series 1 or Series 2 had insulation. There was a
undercoating prayed under the bonnet, somthing like what was used
on the
lower body sills to protect against stone chips. It is black.
Jagdoc

On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 08:18:03 -0800 “Bill Treshler” billt@inreach.com writes: Does anyone know with certainty whether the SWB Series 1 XJ6 had insulation under the bonnet? If so, any idea of what type or where to procure? Thanks. Bill Original Message ----- From: Steve Averill averill@earthlink.net To: concours@jag-lovers.org Cc: E2plus2@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 3:49 AM Subject: Re: [concours] S-III 2+2 Sun Visors Rex Henderson wrote:

Hi folks. I am an active member on the E-Type and a ‘lurker’
on
the
digest
version of this one. Noting that there is not a lot of
activity to
produce
digests, would appreciate a reply off list.

How are the edges of the sun visors supposed to be finished
off? Mine
had
some kind of vinyl taping sewn on with small chrome/metal
clips
on each
end.
They came back from the upholsterer without. What would a
concours
judge
say
about this?

I took a look at ORIGINAL JAGUAR E-type and it didn’t have any
decent
shots
of the closed S3 car. However, it did have a fairly good shot
of
some S2
visors and they didn’t appear to have any kind of vinyl taping.
The shot
didn’t show the inboard edge of the visors, so that wouldn’t
help
much
about the clips.

Combined with Pascal’s answer, my guess is that the taping was
an
earlier
attempt to extend your car’s visor life.

                                          -Steve A.

'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40


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While it’s a source known to have a fair amount of erroneous information,
ORIGINAL JAGUAR XJ has a good picture of the S1 insulation on page 24. It’s
described as “thick and pre-formed to avoid contact with the radiator top
rail or cam covers.” In the photo, it appears to be a one-piece affair that
covers almost the entirety of the inside of the bonnet. I’m not sure WHICH
beam Gregory is referring to - if it’s the one ON the bonnet near the back,
the portion aft of it isn’t shown in the photo and our two apparently
discrepant descriptions may be much like the proberbial blind men
describing an elephant.

S2 cars had either two or three configurations - one that has thin
insulation, one that has no insulation and one (which I’ve seen, but can’t
personally vouch for its authenticity and originality) which is essentially
the same as the clip-secured S3 approach.

I’d suggest looking in Hemmings, possibly starting with a place such as
Paul’s Discount Jaguar. He seems to have a fair amount of good, used parts.
He’d be even more likely to be able to help if you had a S2.

                                          -Steve A.

'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40--------------------------------------
Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote:

Bill: the S1 car had two pieces of 1/2 black felt-like material on either
side of the support beam. I can’t help with suppliers, sorry.
Gregory
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Treshler billt@inreach.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org concours@jag-lovers.org
Date: Saturday, March 11, 2000 8:18 AM
Subject: [concours] XJ6 S1 Underbonnet Insulation

Does anyone know with certainty whether the SWB Series 1 XJ6 had insulation
under the bonnet? If so, any idea of what type or where to procure?
Thanks.
Bill