[concours] XJS Wheel Expertise Needed

At our JCNA Concours this past Sunday, we had two reported “Limited” or
“Special Edition” XJSs (one 1989, one 1991) which the owner said were
specially ordered and delivered from Jaguar Cars Inc. with chrome plated
“sport wheels”. None of our (well experienced) judges had ever seen such
wheels and none of our extensive collection of XJS brochures showed
chrome wheels to be offered by Jaguar Cars Inc.

Do any list subscribers know or can they recommend someone who can
answer the following:

Were there “Special Edition” (or any edition) XJSs offered by Jaguar
Cars Inc. in 1989-1991 which could be ordered with “factory supplied”
chrome plated “Sport” wheels?

Any and all reference material welcomed.

Thanks in advance,
Dick Cavicke
Ch. Judge SDJC

Dick

I don’t know if this will help but I have two XJS’s, one equipped with
chrome "star " wheels and the other with alloy “star” wheels. Both are
factory original.

Len Wheeler

F8driver@pacbell.net wrote:> At our JCNA Concours this past Sunday, we had two reported “Limited” or

“Special Edition” XJSs (one 1989, one 1991) which the owner said were
specially ordered and delivered from Jaguar Cars Inc. with chrome plated
“sport wheels”. None of our (well experienced) judges had ever seen such
wheels and none of our extensive collection of XJS brochures showed
chrome wheels to be offered by Jaguar Cars Inc.

Do any list subscribers know or can they recommend someone who can
answer the following:

Were there “Special Edition” (or any edition) XJSs offered by Jaguar
Cars Inc. in 1989-1991 which could be ordered with “factory supplied”
chrome plated “Sport” wheels?

Any and all reference material welcomed.

Thanks in advance,
Dick Cavicke
Ch. Judge SDJC

There are no chrome “Sport Wheels” in the parts microfiche. The dealers
would send the painted wheels out to have them chromed as we do for the
XK8’s etc. These wheels ARE NOT acceptable for concours. When a entrant
complains about a point during the concours. He must be able to back up
his claim by showing the part in parts cataloge or owners manual (or
other “official” Jaguar publication). Jagdoc (concours judge)

On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:00:49 -0700 F8driver@pacbell.net writes:> At our JCNA Concours this past Sunday, we had two reported “Limited”

or
“Special Edition” XJSs (one 1989, one 1991) which the owner said
were
specially ordered and delivered from Jaguar Cars Inc. with chrome
plated
“sport wheels”. None of our (well experienced) judges had ever seen
such
wheels and none of our extensive collection of XJS brochures showed
chrome wheels to be offered by Jaguar Cars Inc.

Do any list subscribers know or can they recommend someone who can
answer the following:

Were there “Special Edition” (or any edition) XJSs offered by Jaguar
Cars Inc. in 1989-1991 which could be ordered with “factory
supplied”
chrome plated “Sport” wheels?

Any and all reference material welcomed.

Thanks in advance,
Dick Cavicke
Ch. Judge SDJC


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David S.
Does the “spare parts microfiche” you refer to cover all years and
models of XJS/XJSC? I believe there were several wheel patterns, ie
Star, Lattice, etc. Do your references clearly establish that NONE were
chrome finished?

Len Wheeler’s reply is an example of the classic judging dilemma. Len do
you have any sort of delivery invoice documentation or does your JDHT
certificate indicate “factory chrome wheels”?

I guess this may leave us to quiz the dealers and Jaguar Cars Inc as to
how chrome wheels actually came about. The answer has always been that
“the dealers did it”. However, it’s difficult for me to imagine what the
delivery sequence was for cars that were ordered with chrome wheels.
Were the cars delivered to the dealership, the wheels removed and sent
to a local shop for chroming?

Thanks for your input thus far.
Dick Cavicke

This may only muddy the water, but I just discovered a Jaguar Cars Inc.
booklet titled “Accessories For You And Your Jaguar”. In it, under the
title of JAGUARSPORT PRODUCTS, is listed “Speedline Wheel, P/N SPC 1001,
applicable to 1982-93 XJS” and “Hub Cap for Speedline Wheels, P/N SPC
1005, applicable to 1982-93 XJS”. The booklet does not illustrate nor
specify the finish of the wheel.

Was this particular wheel a common “extra”? Could it have been chrome?

Dick Cavicke

Dick,
I have two microfiche editions that cover the XJ-S models. One is from
VIN 139052 up to VIN 179736 and the other is for VIN 179737 to the end
of production.

The “Special Edition” is covered on fiche 1L08 VIN 179737 onwards,
There were two wheels offered for the Sports Edition, One was Carneval
Red and the other was Signal Red. These are alloy painted wheels NOT
chromed. The part numbers are CBC-2469/2 and CBC 2469/3. In the Fiche
for VIN 179737 ON, on fiche 2E06 there IS a Chrome wheel option offered.
The part number is MHC-6113EA. They were offered on the Sports Pack.
Keep in mind this is the 6.0/4.0 liter cars.

As I said before, to extricate yourself from these types of discusions,
judge the car as you see it. If the owner has a point of centention, it
is His/Her responsibility to produce the Jaguar source for the parts
(microfiche, parts book, Boutique cataloge, etc).

Wheels offered in Chrome are listed as Chrome. Other wheels are listed
as Alloy (not painted), and Lattice etc. The Lattice wheels were all
painted. There was also a 5 spoke that was trimed in Gold called a
Diamond finish.

I hope this helps. Jagdoc

On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:25:33 -0700 F8driver@pacbell.net writes:> David S.

Does the “spare parts microfiche” you refer to cover all years and
models of XJS/XJSC? I believe there were several wheel patterns, ie
Star, Lattice, etc. Do your references clearly establish that NONE
were
chrome finished?

Len Wheeler’s reply is an example of the classic judging dilemma.
Len do
you have any sort of delivery invoice documentation or does your
JDHT
certificate indicate “factory chrome wheels”?

I guess this may leave us to quiz the dealers and Jaguar Cars Inc as
to
how chrome wheels actually came about. The answer has always been
that
“the dealers did it”. However, it’s difficult for me to imagine what
the
delivery sequence was for cars that were ordered with chrome wheels.
Were the cars delivered to the dealership, the wheels removed and
sent
to a local shop for chroming?

Thanks for your input thus far.
Dick Cavicke


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There’s a picture of a chrome MHC 6113CA wheel at:
http://www.seattlejagclub.org/GEWGAW/Whe95.jpg in the middle of the page.
The picture’s from the 1995 Jaguar Accessories catalog. The same page also
shows a chromed alloy “Turbine” wheel, P/N MNA 6113CB. The Jaguar
publication number for the 1995 catalog was JAG 8095AA. There are no wheels
listed in the equivalent 1991 publication. The 1995 catalog page covering
wheels notes “These wheels fit previous model year Jaguars with the
addition of a lug nut kit. See your Jaguar dealer for application details.”
I guess that might be construed as official Jaguar approval to put chromed
alloy wheels on my XJ6C.

<Steve note - I have no explanation for the apparent discrepancy in the P/N
between what David quoted and what I quote above>

I’d guess that the wheels in question were dealer installed when the car
was new. Jaguar certainly did nothing to discourage this practice. My 1991
XJ40 had chrome-plated alloys on it that I now KNOW were dealer installed.
I find it a curious artifact of the JCNA rules that dealer-installed wheels
are dealt with severely while a digital CD player in a Mark VII incurs an
order of magnitude less penalty. These sorts of issues wouldn’t come up if
a “correct vintage” test were applied similar to what’s used for radio
equipment and Amco bars. I’ve seen all sorts of dealer-installed and
well-done period equipment in cars that isn’t allowed by JCNA rules.

That being said and until the rules get rationalized, things are just as
David states - the burden of proof is on the owner. He should be encouraged
to protest if he believes he can produce documentation to support the
protest. If he’s not showing his car for the very first time, he’s surely
aware that the question WILL probably come up and should be prepared to
answer a judge’s questions. I’m certainly prepared with documentation for
certain aspects of my own car. If I were a Chief Judge, I would encourage
the entrant to protest if he felt strongly, and offer to send along what
documentation and my own research had uncovered. BUT - “da rules are da
rules” and they’re available for all to see.
-Steve A.

David S Meck wrote:> I have two microfiche editions that cover the XJ-S models. One is from

VIN 139052 up to VIN 179736 and the other is for VIN 179737 to the end
of production.

The “Special Edition” is covered on fiche 1L08 VIN 179737 onwards,
There were two wheels offered for the Sports Edition, One was Carneval
Red and the other was Signal Red. These are alloy painted wheels NOT
chromed. The part numbers are CBC-2469/2 and CBC 2469/3. In the Fiche
for VIN 179737 ON, on fiche 2E06 there IS a Chrome wheel option offered.
The part number is MHC-6113EA. They were offered on the Sports Pack.
Keep in mind this is the 6.0/4.0 liter cars.

As I said before, to extricate yourself from these types of discusions,
judge the car as you see it. If the owner has a point of centention, it
is His/Her responsibility to produce the Jaguar source for the parts
(microfiche, parts book, Boutique cataloge, etc).