[E-Type] Additives -- do they really work? was: Spin on oil filter adapter

Phil,

Even old cars can far exceed 100,000 miles with regular
oil changes. The Porsche I just sold had 230,000 miles on it.
Had a compression leak, but the rings and bottom end were
like new. My VW Cabriolet, without Slick50, was running like
new at 150,000 miles without Slick50 when I sold it, and I
drove the heck out of it and autocrossed it a lot! I have never kept
a Volvo less than 150,000 miles to date – they were like new
when I sold them (have had 3 – they last a while!). No
Slick 50.

In fact, of all the cars I have owned and rebuilt, I have
never been able to find any internal wear where oil lubrication
flowed.

After I drive a car 500 miles it generally runs a lot better, too
– sure was the case for my recent BMW M3 – not a Slick50
in sight! Just juducious application of my left foot. Obviously
that’s not the only thing that can improve running and cooling
in an old car.

It’s obvious that your driving style and maintenance of cars is
superb. Have you had any cars recently where YOU did not use
slick 50 and they wore out before 100,000 miles? If not, you
don’t really have any evidence that Slick 50 does any good.
How other people’s cars fared without Slick50 does not matter
– how did YOUR cars fare. Mine do very well, thanks, without.
I think if I had put it in that Porsche, I would have been able to claim
that Slick50 allowed it to go 230,000 miles!

It’s no biggie for new cars – or even old cars – to run up past
300,000 miles with proper care. There’s a Volvo P1800 that
has turned, I believe, two million miles, that’s an old design
engine. No mention of Slick50, just regular oil changes.

I have faith in modern mechanical and chemical technology,
but there’s a lot of bogus “advanced technology”
coming out of lots of places, and lots of great stories about them,
too. Recall that little carb fan device discussed recently?
If it’s so great, why haven’t the car manufacturers latched onto
it and eliminated a lot of warranty cost they now have to bear?
Money talks at those companies.

With all the money you spent on it, I coulda bought a new TV
by now! Of course the great stories you have got from it
could be worth it for you! But I think the credit comes to you,
not Slick50 – or at least there’s no evidence for Slick50
in your stories.

I remain skeptical. YMMV.

Jerry

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC “Laissez les bons temps rouler!”
Jaguar Owner’s North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004

  • Slick 50 – have you any evidence that it does any good?
    YES!
    I bought an ex-utility company Ford F-250 4 wheel drive pick-up truck
    with just over 100K miles on it. Slick 50 had just come out about then so
    I
    thought, “What the heck” I was just going to use it as a parts chaser and
    a
    tow vehicle. The truck now has over 223,000 miles on it and it still runs
    strong. When I first added Slick 50, I too was sceptical, I thought “Yeah
    sure a miracal in a can.” But after about 400 miles or so I had to set
    the
    idle speed back down as it had increased by about 150rpm. (I had done a
    tune-up and oil change on the truck right after I bought it.) Another
    thing
    I noticed was the operating temperature shown on the gage was lower.

YES vehicle #2
My 1994 Ford Explorer 4.0L V-6 with 208,000 miles on it and running
as
new.

YES vehicle#3
1978 VW Scirocco with almost 300,000 miles on a 1.6L 4 cylinder (body
finally rotted away)

YES vehicle #4
My wifes 1985 VW GTI with 157,000 miles on it.

YES vehicle #5
My 1988 F-150 4.9L I-6 with over 300,000 miles on it. This is our
plow truck in the winter. I will say that the engine is low on
compression
and in need of a valve job.

*Have you any evidence that it won’t harm something in the engine?

No I can’t say it won’t harm something only it has been my experience to
be
nothing but benifical. NAYYY

*Completely disregard anything provided by the manufacturer.
Have you noticed a problem with your engine that this stuff might
actually solve?

NO
This stuff is NOT going to fix mechanical engine problems, but in MY
opinion it has extended the engine life of the vehicles I’ve used it in.
I
might add I change oil and filters every 5-6 thousand miles, and that
living
out in the country where I do it’s a 20 minute run into town for a loaf of
bread. No short trips, I’m sure this helps.
One other note, all except vehicle #1 are fuel injected.

  • The XK engine can last 150-200K miles with
    vintage 1969 oil, modern oil is much better.

Granted

  • I personally would never get that stuff or anything like it within
    50 feet of my engine.
    Jerry

    You might want to keep an open mind towards the modern technological
    improvements in both metalurgy and petro-chemicals. I’m sure there are
    many
    of us on this list old enough to remember back when as a car was
    approching
    50,000 miles you started looking for some “sucker” to buy it. Now the
    factory warrantees can run to twice that.
    Phil

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From: “Cloyd” cloyd@twin-valley.net

In reply to a message from Jerry Mouton sent Thu 25 Mar 2004:

Jerry,
‘‘Just juducious application of my left foot.’’ - Well, yeah!
Your enngine will last a lot longer with the clutch always
disengaged.
Or did you mean your right foot? :slight_smile:
P.S. - You can slug me when you get back from TX.–
Ray Livingston - '64 OTS Santa Cruz, CA
Santa Cruz, CA, United States
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In reply to a message from Jerry Mouton sent Thu 25 Mar 2004:

''After I drive a car 500 miles it generally runs a lot better, too
– sure was the case for my recent BMW M3 – not a Slick50
in sight! Just juducious application of my left foot. ‘’

Judicious application of your left foot Jerry? How long did it take
to do 500 miles with the clutch out? :-)–
Peter Crespin 94 X300 Daimler / 66 2+2 ‘E’
Buxton, United Kingdom
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Ray,

I drive cross-leged – doesn’t everybody ; -)?

BTW I saw blues pianist Marcia Ball here the other
night – a really amazing fun show! – and she plays
her wicked boogie sitting cross-legged…

Jerry

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC “Laissez les bons temps rouler!”
Jaguar Owner’s North American Tour - http://jonat.org
April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004----- Original Message -----
From: “Ray Livingston” rayl@atc.creative.com

Jerry,
‘‘Just juducious application of my left foot.’’ - Well, yeah!
Your enngine will last a lot longer with the clutch always
disengaged.
Or did you mean your right foot? :slight_smile:
P.S. - You can slug me when you get back from TX.

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In reply to a message from Jerry Mouton sent Thu 25 Mar 2004:

Hey Guys, lighten up on Jerry. He’s just a little confused from all
the posts that Ray initiated about driving on the left side of the
road.
Bob–
Bob Muzio
West Hills, Ca., United States
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In reply to a message from Jerry Mouton sent Thu 25 Mar 2004:

About 10 years ago I read a test/study done on motor oils by, as I
remember, Consumer Reports. The purpose of the study was to
determine if there were any differences in the wear protection
afforded by different motor oils.

In this study they pulled the motors on 100 NYC taxi cabs and
weighed and/or measured all of the bearings and cylinder bores.
They re-assembled them and ran them for 100,000 miles, with the
maintenance recommended by the manufacturer. They tested about 20
different brands of oil in these cars. They tested the cheapo
$.79/quart no name oil, the name brands, and the synthetic oils.
About 95 of the cars survived the 100,000 mile test. None of them
died from an oil related failure.

At the end of the test they again weighed and measured all of the
wear surfaces. They did not find any appreciable wear in any of
the cars, irregardless of what oil was used.

After reading this comprehensive study, I quit worrying about what
brand of oil to use, change it after 5000 miles instead of 2500,
and I don’t believe any of the additive manufacturer’s claims.

The exception would be in my motorcyles where I do use only the
synthetic oil. The transmissions share the crankcase oil. The
gears break down the oil and dramatically reduce the viscosity of
regular oils in 500 miles or so. Synthetics will go about 1500
before being significantly degraded.

Dave Christensen
69 OTS–
davchr
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It’s an interesting test - if you run a fleet of cabs. On the other hand
that situation is where the conventional oil will perform the best,
where the cars are always running and there are no cold starts. A
synthetic oil will show a great advantage in situations of low ambient
temperature and lots of cold starts.

I do know that I can build oil pressure much quicker with synthetic than
conventional, but it’s really only important at low temperatures. Say
-20C and below.

Craig
64 OTS

davchr wrote:

In reply to a message from Jerry Mouton sent Thu 25 Mar 2004:

About 10 years ago I read a test/study done on motor oils by, as I
remember, Consumer Reports. The purpose of the study was to
determine if there were any differences in the wear protection
afforded by different motor oils.

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Even old cars can far exceed 100,000 miles with regular
oil changes. Have you had any cars recently where YOU did not use
slick 50 and they wore out before 100,000 miles?

*YES
A 1976 Chevy C-10 Pick-up I bought brand new (one of five brand new
vehicles I’ve owned) that was all but used up at 80,000 miles.

It’s no biggie for new cars – or even old cars – to run up past
300,000 miles with proper care.

  • Granted

I have faith in modern mechanical and chemical technology,
but there’s a lot of bogus “advanced technology” coming
out of lots of places, and lots of great stories about them, too.

  • I couldn't agree more, which is why I don't recommend any additives
    

only relate my experiences when asked.

With all the money you spent on it, I coulda bought a new TV
by now!

  • Not really, you only have to add it once every 50,000 miles and it's
    

included with four quarts of oil in a handy little package at your local
K-Mart (or Wal-Mart) for about $20.00.

Also, I still can find no explanation for the increase in rpm 400-500 miles
AFTER I added the Slick 50. Remember this was the second oil change after I
purchased the truck which at the time had over 100,000 miles on it already.
Phil

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Phil,

Go for it! I know what’s right for me, but not what’s
right for you. ; -)

Jerry

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Jaguar Owner’s North American Tour - http://jonat.org
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From: “Cloyd” cloyd@twin-valley.net
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Additives – do they really work? was: Spin on oil
filter adapter

Even old cars can far exceed 100,000 miles with regular
oil changes. Have you had any cars recently where YOU did not use
slick 50 and they wore out before 100,000 miles?

*YES
A 1976 Chevy C-10 Pick-up I bought brand new (one of five brand new
vehicles I’ve owned) that was all but used up at 80,000 miles.

It’s no biggie for new cars – or even old cars – to run up past
300,000 miles with proper care.

  • Granted

I have faith in modern mechanical and chemical technology,
but there’s a lot of bogus “advanced technology” coming
out of lots of places, and lots of great stories about them, too.

  • I couldn't agree more, which is why I don't recommend any additives
    

only relate my experiences when asked.

With all the money you spent on it, I coulda bought a new TV
by now!

  • Not really, you only have to add it once every 50,000 miles and it's
    

included with four quarts of oil in a handy little package at your local
K-Mart (or Wal-Mart) for about $20.00.

Also, I still can find no explanation for the increase in rpm 400-500
miles
AFTER I added the Slick 50. Remember this was the second oil change after
I
purchased the truck which at the time had over 100,000 miles on it
already.
Phil

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