[E-Type] Air Conditioning

Hi,

Has anyone installed air conditioning in a RHD E-type?

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Hi,

I would like some info:

Can Air Conditioning be retrofitted into my xke '69 FHC? Are parts
available? Is this a task for professionals only?

Thanks,
Shelley Yoelin

Shelley Yoelin

Well, I don’t pretend to know how to do it myself, but in my websurfing I’ve
come across this
http://www.gtjaguar.com/weblinker/gtjaguar/1999042000.html
I’m assuming that other companies have kits as well. In any event, it can
apparently be done.

Craig Martin----- Original Message -----
From: “Shelley Yoelin” syoelin@triton.cc.il.us
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 2:28 PM
Subject: [E-Type] Air Conditioning

Hi,

I would like some info:

Can Air Conditioning be retrofitted into my xke '69 FHC? Are parts
available? Is this a task for professionals only?

Thanks,
Shelley Yoelin

Shelley Yoelin

Shelly,
When properly sorted out, I have found the A/C in S2 E-types to be quite
adequate up to about 95 degree outside temperatures. For anyone anticipating
adding air, I have most, if not all, of a complete setup for a S2 car,
including a fairly decent evaporator unit with all louvers in place. I also
have an extra NOS set of louvers for a S2 E-type, and plenty of misc.
brackets, compressors, switches, pulleys, etc.
Cheers!
Stefan

Shelly:

It's an easy job *IF* you can find the parts. Original components are

almost unobtainable, especially the underdash parts.

If you don't mind a few variations from the original design, there's a

fellow named Jerry West who is making a beautiful aftermarket system which
is modeled after the original Series II unit. His number is 972-722-3791.
Costs about $1500, and includes everything, including the compressor bracket.

Mike Frank
1969 E-Type 2+2
New York

At 01:28 PM 04/05/2000 -0500, you wrote:>Hi,

I would like some info:

Can Air Conditioning be retrofitted into my xke '69 FHC? Are parts
available? Is this a task for professionals only?

Thanks,
Shelley Yoelin

Shelley Yoelin

At 03:27 PM 4/5/00 -0400, you wrote:

Well, I don’t pretend to know how to do it myself, but in my websurfing I’ve
come across this
http://www.gtjaguar.com/weblinker/gtjaguar/1999042000.html
I’m assuming that other companies have kits as well. In any event, it can
apparently be done.

Craig Martin

----- Original Message -----
From: “Shelley Yoelin” <@Shelley_Yoelin1>
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 2:28 PM
Subject: [E-Type] Air Conditioning

Hi,

I would like some info:

Can Air Conditioning be retrofitted into my xke '69 FHC? Are parts
available? Is this a task for professionals only?

Thanks,
Shelley Yoelin

Shelley Yoelin

Shelley Yoelin

Shelly,
I will soon (I hope) be close enough to begin
converting my series 1 car to A/C as you plan to do.
I was able to find an excelent underdash unit (with
good vanes) and most of the rest of the parts for a
reasonable cost. It took about 2 years of looking.
There is some excellent write ups of the AC conversion
on the Etype lovers list. There is a Jaguar manual
that outlines what is (was) needed for a dealer to do
such a conversion that is incredibally detailed and
includes a detailed parts listing. I have a copy that
was provided by another lister, and would be happy to
make you, or anyone a copy, if you provide the
postage. Please E-Mail me off the list. I to looked
at the aftermarket units but did not like the look of
the underdash unit. I am not familer with the one
listed below.

There was also a unit called Cool-Air that was dealer
installed on series 1 cars. It is completly different
from the factory units. I may know someone with one. I
have no idea if they were any better than the marginal
units installed by the factory on series 2 cars.
Perhaps worse.

Keith Headley (a lister)replaced his original tecumpsa
(sp?) with the Sanden SD-5 (which is a 5 piston
unit). He said it fit perfectly and that he can hardly
tell the A/C unit comes on. I plan on asking him for
details as that time comes closer.

Best of luck

Michael Spiers— Michael Frank mfrank@westnet.com wrote:

Shelly:

It’s an easy job IF you can find the parts.
Original components are
almost unobtainable, especially the underdash parts.

If you don’t mind a few variations from the
original design, there’s a
fellow named Jerry West who is making a beautiful
aftermarket system which
is modeled after the original Series II unit. His
number is 972-722-3791.
Costs about $1500, and includes everything,
including the compressor bracket.

Mike Frank
1969 E-Type 2+2
New York

At 01:28 PM 04/05/2000 -0500, you wrote:

Hi,

I would like some info:

Can Air Conditioning be retrofitted into my xke
'69 FHC? Are parts
available? Is this a task for professionals only?

Thanks,
Shelley Yoelin

Shelley Yoelin


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Hi Tony,
I assume you are actually referring to the evaporator unit under the dash,
rather than the “condensor”. If so, how true to the original is the
reproduction? Are the 5 louvers identical as well? If so, where can the
louvers be purchased for your units? Are pictures available?
Cheers!
StefanDate: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:00:35 -0700
From: “Anthony Parkinson” vicarage@ix.netcom.com
Subject: [E-Type] Re:Comprehenive Air Con Kits

VICARAGE JAGUAR - worldwide specialists in Jaguar restoration
Anthony Parkinson - Owner
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  • ----- > Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:27:30 -0400

From: “Craig Martin” craigm@speakeasy.org
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Air Conditioning

Well, I don’t pretend to know how to do it myself, but in my websurfing
I’ve
come across this
http://www.gtjaguar.com/weblinker/gtjaguar/1999042000.html
I’m assuming that other companies have kits as well. In any event, it can
apparently be done.

Craig Martin

Yes, Craig it is available just as the original setup with all the bits made
for us …
the condenser fits snugly under the dash running across the dash and only
requires you to relieve the radio tower slightly…
kind regards
tony


Hello,

I own a 1970 Series II with air conditioning, which is out
of work for more than 20 years. The electrical an mechanical
parts, comppressor, fan, solenoids, etc. are working, but
there is no cooling effect.

Is it reasonable to repair the system and what wil it cost?
I have heared, that the old refrigerant is no longer
available and the newer ones are not suitable to the old
mechanics.

Can anybody give me a short answer?

With kind regards

Thomas–
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In reply to a message from Thomas Hopf sent Sun 14 May 2006:

Hi Thomas, It is quite likely that your system can be
refurbished in order to work again. There are a number of
places on the internet that describe how folks have
re-commissioned their system and have them running again.I
have my E Type SIII running with all the oe equipment (
except of course a new drier) , and filled with R134a rather
than R12, which is NOT environmentally friendly.The system
will have to be opened up and the original oil flushed
out.You can use mineral spirits/ varsol which is then sucked
or blown out. I filled my system with R134a purchased in 13
oz cans in Michigan, as they are not available here in
Canada.I also used the original hoses and there are fine.It
is likely that you could do the same with your car, but of
course there are no guarantees, as its not possible to know
the actual condition of your equipment, or if it was OK when
retired 20 years ago.–
The original message included these comments:

I own a 1970 Series II with air conditioning, which is out
of work for more than 20 years. The electrical an mechanical
parts, comppressor, fan, solenoids, etc. are working, but
there is no cooling effect.
Is it reasonable to repair the system and what wil it cost?
I have heared, that the old refrigerant is no longer
available and the newer ones are not suitable to the old
mechanics.
Can anybody give me a short answer?
With kind regards
Thomas


John M Holmes 1973 E Type SIII Supra 5-Speed, 1970 SII OTS
Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
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Hey Gang,
We, JAGM, had our annal steak fry yesterday at Mueller’s Orchard and
I thought a few pictures might be of interest. As you can see the day
was miserable, 45-50 degrees and rain, and yet 40 or so people tuned
out for great food, the steak was free curtsy of Charlie Mueller who
is Chuck123 on E-Type Lovers. Charlie has been hosting this get
together for a number of years and before we ate he gave
demonstrations of the various types of welding and plasma cutting and
anyone who wanted to try their hand was welcome to do so. We were
rather surprised at the turnout on such a day especially at the
number of folks who drove up to a 280 mile round trip to attend. Hmmm-
looks like an offer of free food will drag Jag lovers out of the
woodwork! There were only a few Jags present, which wasn’t
surprising, but if you notice in one of the pictures there was one
new GT40 present. Actually it was owned by Ford but the lucky driver
is high enough up the ranks that he had the use of it for a week!
Bob
889076
Plymouth, Mi.
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Tom wrote: "I own a 1970 Series II with air conditioning, which is out
of work for more than 20 years. The electrical an mechanical parts,
compressor, fan, solenoids, etc. are working, but there is no cooling
effect. Is it reasonable to repair the system and what will it cost?
I have heared, that the old refrigerant is no longer available and the newer
ones are not suitable to the old mechanics. Can anybody give me a short
answer?+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The stock factory system will blow cool air when properly maintained.
Original coolant was R-12. Still available but expensive, about $60 per
pound the last time I checked which as about 2 years ago. Also, you can’t
buy it because you are not licensed so you need a certified professional to
put it in for you. R134 is the current substitute choice of most people.

Three ways to go here:

  1. Take the car to an AC specialist and have him check the system for
    leaks, flush the system and fill it with R134. Cost? Depends of if you
    have leaks, which will probably mean the hoses are deteriorative and need
    replacement. It is almost certain you would need new hoses. You can even
    find rebuilt compressors (sometimes) and there are people who rebuild them.
    Personally I would figure on $400 ± 50%. At the least the shop will want
    to check the system for leaks, flush the system, add new compressor oil and
    charge the system.

  2. Do the work yourself. Buy a set of R134 gauges (as low as $60 at Harbor
    Freight), vacuum pump (as low as $20 at harbor freight) New hoses from a
    full service auto parts store or AC shop. Have the compressor rebuilt if it
    leaks (see below). Working on AC systems is not rocket science. I have
    average mechanical ability as was able to do it quite easily.

2a. Want cooler air? Do the work yourself and upgrade the compressor to a
Sanden SD8 rotary compressor. You will need an adaptor plate. They are
sold on e-bay all the time One right now: see:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/YORK-TO-SANDEN-COMPRESSOR-CONVERSION-KIT_W0QQ
cmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33543QQitemZ8060815099QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWD1V. Or
just search “Sanden York” on ebay.

I did 2a myself and am quite pleased. New compressor, gauges, vacuum pump,
new hoses, oil, coolant and self fabricated bracket (didn’t know commercial
items existed) cost right at $400.00. Compressor was about $200, Hoses were
a little less than $100, Vacuum pump and Gauges were about $80 and the rest
was probably about $50. It blows cold enough that I turn the blower to
medium on 90 degree days (Houston yesterday) because high speed makes it too
cold inside the car.

John Walker

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Basicallly, I replaced my 4 hoses, got a new compressor and converted to 134A. Blows so cold I can’t have it on full for very long. There are two excelent writeups on the Jag site for A/C repair.
LLoyd–
Insofar as mathematics applies to
reality it is not certain, and
so far as mathematics is certain
it does not apply to reality.
Einstein

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: “Thomas Hopf” to-wal@t-online.de

Hello,

I own a 1970 Series II with air conditioning, which is out
of work for more than 20 years. The electrical an mechanical
parts, comppressor, fan, solenoids, etc. are working, but
there is no cooling effect.

Is it reasonable to repair the system and what wil it cost?
I have heared, that the old refrigerant is no longer
available and the newer ones are not suitable to the old
mechanics.

Can anybody give me a short answer?

With kind regards

Thomas


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In reply to a message from Thomas Hopf sent Sun 14 May 2006:

Interesting thread, as I�d like to resurrect the A/C on my �71 S2
FHC. Anybody have any knowledge of or experience with a
refrigerant called Freeze-12 ? Claims to be a non-flammable, near-
perfect replacement for R12, but the skeptic in me is on alert.
Otherwise, I�m inclined toward XKs� A/C Upgrade Kit (not cheap!).
Experiences? Comments?–
Bob Frisby
Boise ID, United States
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Great pictures and a lot of good times to be had by all. Really miss some of
the great MI Jag events. By the way, what is rain?
Mike Goodwin & KoolKat
’ 68 OTS E Type W/HT & SUs
Phoenix, AZ USA----- Original Message -----
From: “Robert Stevenson” bobanddarl@comcast.net
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:29 AM
Subject: [E-Type] Jag of Michigan’s annual steakfry

Hey Gang,
We, JAGM, had our annal steak fry yesterday at Mueller’s Orchard and I
thought a few pictures might be of interest. As you can see the day was
miserable, 45-50 degrees and rain, and yet 40 or so people tuned out for
great food, the steak was free curtsy of Charlie Mueller who is Chuck123
on E-Type Lovers. Charlie has been hosting this get together for a number
of years and before we ate he gave demonstrations of the various types of
welding and plasma cutting and anyone who wanted to try their hand was
welcome to do so. We were rather surprised at the turnout on such a day
especially at the number of folks who drove up to a 280 mile round trip
to attend. Hmmm- looks like an offer of free food will drag Jag lovers out
of the woodwork! There were only a few Jags present, which wasn’t
surprising, but if you notice in one of the pictures there was one new
GT40 present. Actually it was owned by Ford but the lucky driver is high
enough up the ranks that he had the use of it for a week!
Bob
889076
Plymouth, Mi.
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In reply to a message from Thomas Hopf sent Sun 14 May 2006:

I had my air cond. serviced about 3 years ago, after putting
a rebuilt compressor in, but started loosing freon again.
Cost $400.
In your case with the unit not working for 20 years, the best
investment for you would be to get a whole replacement kit
from terrysjag.com and have it filled. Close to $2,000.

                                     Walter
                                     69E ser.II--

The original message included these comments:

I own a 1970 Series II with air conditioning, which is out
of work for more than 20 years. The electrical an mechanical
parts, comppressor, fan, solenoids, etc. are working, but
there is no cooling effect.


Walter Schuster 78XJ6LFI Ser.II, 69Eser.II 2+2
Albuquerque/New Mexico, United States
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Alternately, you can replace the 4 hoses, and it will probably work…
LLoyd–
Insofar as mathematics applies to
reality it is not certain, and
so far as mathematics is certain
it does not apply to reality.
Einstein

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: “WaltSchuster” ewsch@isp.com

In reply to a message from Thomas Hopf sent Sun 14 May 2006:

I had my air cond. serviced about 3 years ago, after putting
a rebuilt compressor in, but started loosing freon again.
Cost $400.
In your case with the unit not working for 20 years, the best
investment for you would be to get a whole replacement kit
from terrysjag.com and have it filled. Close to $2,000.

                                     Walter
                                     69E ser.II


The original message included these comments:

I own a 1970 Series II with air conditioning, which is out
of work for more than 20 years. The electrical an mechanical
parts, comppressor, fan, solenoids, etc. are working, but
there is no cooling effect.


Walter Schuster 78XJ6LFI Ser.II, 69Eser.II 2+2
Albuquerque/New Mexico, United States
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In reply to a message from Bob Frisby sent Sun 14 May 2006:

My 73 Series 3 sat for many years prior to my purchase. Among many
other issues, the A/C was not working.

Go purchase one of those inexpensive retrofit kits from AutoZone,
Pep Boys, Etc., fill the system to see if it works.
This is a pretty inexpensive diagnostic step.

I would suggest placing a vacuum on the system for 45 minutes if
you have access to a pump.

If the compressor seals are gone it will leak oil into the V.
I used an indicating oil during the conversion, looks like ATF and
puddled at the rear of the V where the serial number is.

You can then take it from there.

My compressor seals were shot so I had to replace it with a rebuilt
unit. I don’t think it was that expensive, around $150.00 from SNG
during one oftheir weekly internet sales. Pretty easy install.

The A/C has been working just fine for a year now. Blows ice cold,
no freon loss.
SInce it is an OTS, and I almost always have the top down, I really
do not need A/C.

Pumping a small fortune into it is not an option for me. I just
wanted to see it I could repair it cheaply.

Best, Ron–
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In reply to a message from Michael sent Sun 14 May 2006:

Bob,

Great pictures and what a tremendous turnout!!! Almost didn’t
recognize you without your large straw hat - which is pretty cook
BTW.

Jim–
1967 FHC
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Hey Jim & Mike, Good to hear from both of you! I should mention that
Charlie does not host this annual steak fry to promote a business as
he’s more of a hobbyist that over the years as put together all of
the equipment, and knows how to use it, of a good restoration shop.
Apples & grapes are his business but he’s willing to help anyone as
long as they’ll pitch in and get their hands dirty also. I wish that
both of you folks were closer as it seems that real “drivers” are
getting harder to find every year. Mike, I’m sure that you well
remember when we could gather up 6-10 cars to go somewhere with a day
or so notice,not anymore, at least in this part of the country. And
Mike please don’t ask me what rain is as I remember on one of our
trips to your neck of the woods that it rained so hard that I was
about ready to start gathering wood and nails to build an ark! We’ll
most likely see you next year or this summer if you come up and Jim
there should be a group of us at MD&E in July.
Bob
889076
Plymouth, Mi.On May 15, 2006, at 8:25 AM, Jim Korbecki wrote:

In reply to a message from Michael sent Sun 14 May 2006:

Bob,

Great pictures and what a tremendous turnout!!! Almost didn’t
recognize you without your large straw hat - which is pretty cook
BTW.

Jim

1967 FHC
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