[E-Type] AOL - Plain Text

<In a message dated 1/10/2004 11:12:44 AM Central Standard Time,
owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org writes:Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 01:08:18 EST
From: MMoore8425@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] HTML/plain text

Yes, aol won’t send plain text.

Mike Moore >
Mike,
My AOL 9.0 sends the message as plain text very easily. When composing the
message, right click in an unused area of the document before you send it and
at the bottom of the popup that comes up is a selection to compose as plain
text. Click on that and the message is now a plain text message.
I hope this helps,
Dave Reinke
69 2+2

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In a message dated 1/11/04 4:10:41 PM Pacific Standard Time,
DReinke750@AOL.COM writes:

<< Mike,
My AOL 9.0 sends the message as plain text very easily. When composing the
message, right click in an unused area of the document before you send it
and
at the bottom of the popup that comes up is a selection to compose as plain
text. Click on that and the message is now a plain text message.
I hope this helps,
Dave Reinke
69 2+2 >>

That’s news! I’ll have to download 9. 8 is sooo much slower than Aol 4, I
felt 9 would be a further degradation.

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DReinke750@AOL.COM wrote:

Mike,
My AOL 9.0 sends the message as plain text very easily. When composing the
message, right click in an unused area of the document before you send it and
at the bottom of the popup that comes up is a selection to compose as plain
text. Click on that and the message is now a plain text message.
I hope this helps,
Dave Reinke
69 2+2

Thank goodness! AOL for some reason has always felt that their way with
smileys, flashy color and multiple fonts was the proper way. Thankfully
they must have realized that the whole world doesn’t necessarily want
that and plain text is a universal standard, readable by any mail client
ever created!

George Cohn
List Admin

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In reply to a message from George Cohn sent Mon 12 Jan 2004:

What’s AOL good for anyway? Why use it?–
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In a message dated 1/11/04 7:45:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rcliggitt@cox.net writes:

<< What’s AOL good for anyway? Why use it? >>

I can easily access my email from anyplace in the world-and I have confidence
in THAT!
AOL has been my link home from Alice Springs for several weeks, from Japan,
from Europe etc. in some pretty out of the way places. I always got my email
and got messages out. I’m sure there are other and better means today, but I
have confidence in that working.
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MMoore8425@AOL.COM writes:

In a message dated 1/11/04 7:45:51 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rcliggitt@cox.net writes:

<< What’s AOL good for anyway? Why use it? >>

I can easily access my email from anyplace in the world-and I have confidence
in THAT!

A lot of folks tout that as a benefit but many other ISP’s have web access
to mail as well. I’m currently at work and accessing my home acount via
web.

The biggest negative to AOL seems to be their desire to dictate e-mail
standards to the rest of the world. Not everyone wants or needs to be able
to dress up their messsages with fancy fonts, color, smiley’s, or
animations. Remember, all that adds to the overhead of the message and
increases bandwidth requirements.

A plain text message is universal in that every e-mail client can read it.
It is compact in size and cannot hide malicious code like html can. That’s
why it is the preferred format for large mailing lists, especially those
that archive every message as does jag-lovers.

Thankfully AOL has gotten the message and now provides a way for their
customers to send plain text with the newer versions of their proprietary
software.

George Cohn
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In a message dated 1/12/04 9:22:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
gwcohn@bblabs.net writes:

<<
The biggest negative to AOL seems to be their desire to dictate e-mail
standards to the rest of the world. >>

George, don’t get me wrong- I HATE AOL! I dislike their arrogance and their
constant 'improvements". When I use my olf AOL 4, things work very fast. When I
use AOL 8 (which I have to to read some of my brokerage accounts), it is
vewry, very slow-plus, it will not ship out plain text. I am afraid to load 9, but
will have to I guiess to get plain text, although my 4 is going to be much
faster I’m sure.
Thanks, Mike Moore

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In reply to a message from MMoore8425@AOL.COM sent Mon 12 Jan 2004:

Mike, I didn’t mean to raise your ire. It was just a question.
Besides I have never had any trouble accessing my email from
anywhere in the world either so I never thought about it.

Richard Liggitt–
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A couple of years ago I installed an AOL disc, for the life of me I
can’t remember why, but it was the most annoying software I have ever
encountered, it took me for ever to get it off my computer and finally
had to remove windows and reinstall the OS. Never again!
Lynn GOn Monday, January 12, 2004, at 12:22 PM, MMoore8425@AOL.COM wrote:

In a message dated 1/12/04 9:22:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
gwcohn@bblabs.net writes:

<<
The biggest negative to AOL seems to be their desire to dictate e-mail
standards to the rest of the world. >>

George, don’t get me wrong- I HATE AOL! I dislike their arrogance and
their
constant 'improvements". When I use my olf AOL 4, things work very
fast. When I
use AOL 8 (which I have to to read some of my brokerage accounts), it
is
vewry, very slow-plus, it will not ship out plain text. I am afraid to
load 9, but
will have to I guiess to get plain text, although my 4 is going to be
much
faster I’m sure.
Thanks, Mike Moore

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I too tried AOL a few years ago and couldn’t stand it… at the time I as
using compuserve… must have been around 95…

it was really a “computer for dummies” system back then… of course the
dummies won and absorbed Compuserve… :slight_smile:

since then, I must have received well over 100 CDs in the mail! at least
back then, you could reuse the floppies they used to mail :slight_smile:

Pascal----- Original Message -----
From: “L. Lynn Gardner” lgardner28@cableone.net
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Re: AOL - Plain Text

A couple of years ago I installed an AOL disc, for the life of me I
can’t remember why, but it was the most annoying software I have ever
encountered, it took me for ever to get it off my computer and finally
had to remove windows and reinstall the OS. Never again!
Lynn G
On Monday, January 12, 2004, at 12:22 PM, MMoore8425@AOL.COM wrote:

In a message dated 1/12/04 9:22:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
gwcohn@bblabs.net writes:

<<
The biggest negative to AOL seems to be their desire to dictate e-mail
standards to the rest of the world. >>

George, don’t get me wrong- I HATE AOL! I dislike their arrogance and
their
constant 'improvements". When I use my olf AOL 4, things work very
fast. When I
use AOL 8 (which I have to to read some of my brokerage accounts), it
is
vewry, very slow-plus, it will not ship out plain text. I am afraid to
load 9, but
will have to I guiess to get plain text, although my 4 is going to be
much
faster I’m sure.
Thanks, Mike Moore

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L. Lynn Gardner writes:

A couple of years ago I installed an AOL disc, for the life of me I can’t
remember why, but it was the most annoying software I have ever
encountered, it took me for ever to get it off my computer and finally had
to remove windows and reinstall the OS. Never again!
Lynn G

In a message dated 1/12/04 9:22:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
@George_Cohn2 writes:

<<
The biggest negative to AOL seems to be their desire to dictate e-mail
standards to the rest of the world. >>

Geez, you guys just aren’t going to let me try to be diplomatic are you?
:wink:

Yes, a great deal of the mail problems we have had over the years tends to
be with AOL users.

First, you have to realize that they are marketing to the masses and trying
to reach even the lowest common denominator. Trust me, some folks should
not be allowed to sit down at a keyboard. :wink:

But the most persistent problem has been the plain text issue over the last
few years. Apparently somewhere around AOL 8.0, they eliminated the ability
to send plain text and it caused no end of complaints.

One of our error messages explicitly addresses that issue and suggests that
the user use the forums instead if they cannot resolve their AOL plain text
problem.

Were we to allow html, rich text, attachments, colored fonts, etc, it could
take as much at 10 times more space to archive the current lists, and they
might not be readable to everyone anyway. Plus, we would have no control
over malicious code, bugs, and assorted nasties that could get sent to every
user on the list.

Anyway, this is not meant to be bashing AOL. They provide a service and
many folks like their service. I just prefer to use a regular ISP who
allows me to use conventional standards compliant software to browse and
e-mail. I don’t have any children looking over my shoulder so I don’t need
their parental filtering. And at my age, it’s hard to shock me anymore
anyway…

George Cohn
'70 OTS

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Subscription changes - http://www.jag-lovers.com/cgi-bin/majordomo> On Monday, January 12, 2004, at 12:22 PM, MMoore8425@AOL.COM wrote:

Pascal Gademer writes:

since then, I must have received well over 100 CDs in the mail! at least
back then, you could reuse the floppies they used to mail :slight_smile:

They address this in their latest commercials. You use the discs to create
an art mosaic on the wall…

George Cohn
'70 OTS

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In reply to a message from George Cohn sent Mon 12 Jan 2004:

George,
Actually, I believe that’s an EarthLink commercial.–
The original message included these comments:

Pascal Gademer writes:

since then, I must have received well over 100 CDs in the mail! at least
back then, you could reuse the floppies they used to mail :slight_smile:
They address this in their latest commercials. You use the discs to create
an art mosaic on the wall…
George Cohn


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In a message dated 1/12/04 1:12:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gwcohn@bblabs.net writes:

<< Anyway, this is not meant to be bashing AOL. >>

Just so there’s no misunderstanding George, I was bashing AOL and I meant to.

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In a message dated 1/12/04 11:34:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rcliggitt@cox.net writes:

<< Besides I have never had any trouble accessing my email from
anywhere in the world either so I never thought about it. >>

Mine is a matter of comfort-I know I can do it and I don’t want to “fix”
something that works for me.

“He prefers the security of known misery to the misery of unknown
security”-Sheldon Kopf

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In reply to a message from MMoore8425@AOL.COM sent Mon 12 Jan 2004:

Good point.

Richard Liggitt–
The original message included these comments:

Mine is a matter of comfort-I know I can do it and I don’t want to ‘‘fix’’
something that works for me.
‘‘He prefers the security of known misery to the misery of unknown
security’’-Sheldon Kopf
Best Regards, Mike Moore


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In reply to a message from MMoore8425@AOL.COM sent Mon 12 Jan 2004:

Mike,
‘‘I know I can do it and I don’t want to ‘‘fix’’ something that
works for me.’’ - But what about the old rule: '‘If it ain’t broke,
fix it ‘til it is’’. No, wait. That doesn’t seem quite right
somehow…–
The original message included these comments:

anywhere in the world either so I never thought about it. >>
Mine is a matter of comfort-I know I can do it and I don’t want to ‘‘fix’’
something that works for me.
‘‘He prefers the security of known misery to the misery of unknown
security’’-Sheldon Kopf
Best Regards, Mike Moore


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Were we to allow html, rich text, attachments, colored fonts, etc,
it could take as much at 10 times more space to archive the current
lists, and they might not be readable to everyone anyway. Plus, we
would have no control over malicious code, bugs, and assorted
nasties that could get sent to every user on the list.

Not to mention making the DIGEST version of the list a long stream of
unintelligible garbage. Well… more than it usually is of course. =)

Anyway, this is not meant to be bashing AOL. They provide a service
and many folks like their service. I just prefer to use a regular
ISP who allows me to use conventional standards compliant software
to browse and e-mail.

heh… it is hard NOT to bash them, especially if you manage mailing
lists. Having done that for 10 years or so I think both of us have
earned the right to bash them at will. =)

I don’t have any children looking over my shoulder so I don’t need
their parental filtering. And at my age, it’s hard to shock me
anymore anyway…
George Cohn

That sounds like a challenge! =)–
–chuck goolsbee
65ots, 1E10715
arlington, wa, usa

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Ray Livingston writes:

In reply to a message from George Cohn sent Mon 12 Jan 2004:

George,
Actually, I believe that’s an EarthLink commercial.

Nope, AOL promoting 9.0. Jerry Stiller convinces them to try it instead of
using it to finish their fish. Suggests using a Snoop Dog CD instead for
the fish then Snoop Dog walks in and protests.

Only AOL commercial I remember… Thought it was cute because I’ve felt
the same way about the landfill fodder, sorry, unsolicited software disks.

George Cohn
'70 OTS

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Sorry George, I didn’t realize you were trying to be diplomatic:) I
drove past a ‘home’ last summer while cruising in the 2+2 (mandatory
Jaguar content) and I spied a very appropriate usage of these c.d.'s,
they had a year’s[100+] supply hanging from a tree as ornaments.
Lynn GOn Monday, January 12, 2004, at 01:33 PM, Pascal Gademer wrote:

I too tried AOL a few years ago and couldn’t stand it… at the time
I as
using compuserve… must have been around 95…

it was really a “computer for dummies” system back then… of
course the
dummies won and absorbed Compuserve… :slight_smile:

since then, I must have received well over 100 CDs in the mail! at
least
back then, you could reuse the floppies they used to mail :slight_smile:

Pascal

----- Original Message -----
From: “L. Lynn Gardner” <@Lynn_Gardner>
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Re: AOL - Plain Text

A couple of years ago I installed an AOL disc, for the life of me I
can’t remember why, but it was the most annoying software I have ever
encountered, it took me for ever to get it off my computer and finally
had to remove windows and reinstall the OS. Never again!
Lynn G
On Monday, January 12, 2004, at 12:22 PM, MMoore8425@AOL.COM wrote:

In a message dated 1/12/04 9:22:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
gwcohn@bblabs.net writes:

<<
The biggest negative to AOL seems to be their desire to dictate
e-mail
standards to the rest of the world. >>

George, don’t get me wrong- I HATE AOL! I dislike their arrogance and
their
constant 'improvements". When I use my olf AOL 4, things work very
fast. When I
use AOL 8 (which I have to to read some of my brokerage accounts), it
is
vewry, very slow-plus, it will not ship out plain text. I am afraid
to
load 9, but
will have to I guiess to get plain text, although my 4 is going to be
much
faster I’m sure.
Thanks, Mike Moore

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