[E-Type] Desmogging and legality

I’ve heard that in some states, cars that have had the emissions
systems removed must reinstall them for a car to be sold there.
Does anyone know if this is true, and if so, in what states is this
an issue? Not planning on selling my desmogged 74, but just
curious about this. It’s not an issue where I live–in Vermont,
since the car is over 25 years old. Thanks.–
Dave Powlison 74 OTS Shelburne, Vermont
Burlington, Vermont, United States
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In reply to a message from VTXKE sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

Dave,

I doubt that anyone can provide a definitive answer, as each state
has its own laws, regulations, etc.

My guess is that there would be no problem in most states, because
(I would think) most have laws like Vermont’s, exempting cars over
a certain age. Certainly Idaho does.

California could be an exception, I don’t know. Maybe we could
hear from a Golden State person on this?–
Bob Frisby, S2 FHC
Boise ID, United States
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In reply to a message from VTXKE sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

In Colorado, any car from '68 to '82 can be passed if desmogged,
with an idle test. Post '82 have to have all relevant smog devices
in place, if not in operation. Many was the car I jerked off smog
pumps on, and just before I shuttered my shop, had to revamp same.
I’d gin it all up but gut the pumps so it looked like it worked,
plus I found, at least w/Colorado’s exhaust emission specs, a
gutted cat and a good tune-up would pass with flying colors.

For those that didn’t, I used to use a NLA product,
called ''Wynn’s ‘‘SmogChek.’’ It was a bottle of 100% MTBE and let me
tell ya two things…
-Put in a pre-smog car, it would clean up my parent’s '35 Auburn
good enough to pass mid 80s regs, and;
-the smell of that stuff was WICKED bad, and most likely was yet
ANOTHER nail in my eventual coffin…:(–
The original message included these comments:

Does anyone know if this is true, and if so, in what states is this
an issue? Not planning on selling my desmogged 74, but just
curious about this. It’s not an issue where I live–in Vermont,
since the car is over 25 years old. Thanks.


Paul Wigton, steward to a '60 DKW 1000 SP, Tweety, '63 FHC!
Keenesburg, CO, United States
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In reply to a message from Wiggles sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

I’m sure what Paul MEANT to say was that ‘‘many was the car
that I observed some stranger jerking off the smog pumps and
to revamp same I had to place the only smog pumps I could
find for that model which I had to no means to test for
function’’

Damn man!!

:wink:

Lester–
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Louisiana, United States
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In reply to a message from saabguy sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

Naw…I stand by my first statement: I’m fairly sure the statute of
limitations has passed, regarding my scofflaw ways!

I hope…’’)–
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I’m sure what Paul MEANT to say was that ‘‘many was the car
that I observed some stranger jerking off the smog pumps and
to revamp same I had to place the only smog pumps I could
find for that model which I had to no means to test for
function’’


Paul Wigton, steward to a '60 DKW 1000 SP, Tweety, '63 FHC!
Keenesburg, CO, United States
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In reply to a message from Bob Frisby sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

Bob,

California exempts cars older than something – it moves and the
legislature mucks with it from time to time. Certainly no E Types
are required to get any smog tests. My son’s '74 Alfa is still
exempt, and we beat up the legislature pretty badly whenever they
bring something up.

Jerry–
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Thanks a lot Lester! I had just about gotten the image of Wiggles jerking off his smog pump out of my head and then I read your post.
Larry
Agoura Hills, Ca
61 OTS 64 FHC 3.8----- Original Message ----
From: saabguy lesterewing@mac.com
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Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 7:13:06 AM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Desmogging and legality

In reply to a message from Wiggles sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

I’m sure what Paul MEANT to say was that ‘‘many was the car
that I observed some stranger jerking off the smog pumps and
to revamp same I had to place the only smog pumps I could
find for that model which I had to no means to test for
function’’

Damn man!!

:wink:

Lester


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In reply to a message from Wiggles sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

I’m sure what Paul MEANT to say was that ‘‘many was the car
that I observed some stranger jerking off the smog pumps and
to revamp same I had to place the only smog pumps I could
find for that model which I had to no means to test for
function’’

Damn man!!

:wink:

Lester–
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Louisiana, United States
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In reply to a message from mouton sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

California cars 1975 and earlier are exempt. It used to be 25
years old or older, but that was changed.

Jerry–
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In reply to a message from mouton sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

In Texas cars over 25 years old are exempt from emissions tests.
And IIRC not every county even requires an emissions test anyway,
but I think they do a quick visual inspection on cars under 25
years old. Pop the hood, glance around the engine bay and close
the hood.

About 10 years ago they checked the E-type just for grins and it
passed the requirements for a 1982 vehicle.–
John Walker, 1969 E-type 2+2 - ‘Lola’
La Porte, Tex, United States
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In reply to a message from mouton sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

California did get rid of the 30 year rolling exemption. It
went into effect in 2005, so any car built in '75, or
before, is exempt, all cars '76 and newer, must be smogged.
Joel–
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Denison, TX, United States
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Bob Frisby wrote:

In reply to a message from VTXKE sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

Dave,

I doubt that anyone can provide a definitive answer, as each state
has its own laws, regulations, etc.

My guess is that there would be no problem in most states, because
(I would think) most have laws like Vermont’s, exempting cars over
a certain age. Certainly Idaho does.

In Arizona, vehicles newer than 1974 must have all of the original smog
equipment and pass the emissions test.

They generally raise the hood, take a quick glance and move on. My
guess is most of the young employees don’t even have a clue what they
are looking at. :wink:

On older cars like my OTS and Datsun Z’s, they aren’t even allowed to
open the hood/bonnet.

George Cohn
'70 OTS______________________________________________________
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In reply to a message from mouton sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

Hi guys,

Note that this exemption means exactly what Jerry said: you
are never inspected if your car is licensed as being a 1975
or earlier model.

That means that you can take a 32 Ford, chop it up into your
own creation, drop a 800 hp supercharged 572 cu. in. (9.4
liters) engine in it and drive it on the street (on race
fuel which is sold at a number of Union 76 stations here in
LA) and be totally legal.

We led the charge for tight regulations…but when it comes
to ‘vintage’ all bets are off.

Yippee!!!

Larry–
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California cars 1975 and earlier are exempt. It used to be 25
years old or older, but that was changed.

Jerry Mouton '64 FHC 889791 ‘MIK Jaguar’
Palo Alto, California, United States


Larry Wade 62 OTS, La Canada, California USA
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In reply to a message from Larry Wade sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

In NC we have a form of the same thing – older than 35
years = no inspections. BUT… only after it has been
thoroughly inspected once by a state inspector who ensures
it is properly done. They also check for theft, etc. in the
process – checked my imported Vespa through interpol or
the like, to confirm that it was not stolen. The inspector
here told me that he figures I put more care into my
roadster than anyone puts into a typical car, so once they
confirm that it is roadworthy, you are good to go.
Bruce–
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Note that this exemption means exactly what Jerry said: you
or earlier model.
own creation, drop a 800 hp supercharged 572 cu. in. (9.4
liters) engine in it and drive it on the street (on race
fuel which is sold at a number of Union 76 stations here in
LA) and be totally legal.


Bruce Harless, '64 S1 ots
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In reply to a message from Larry Wade sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

But OTOH I discovered in searching that starting this year
California diesel cars have to undergo a smog check – underhood
check, exhaust smoke check, and OBD check, no exhaust content
analysis. Dang!

Jerry–
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In reply to a message from mouton sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

Tis a giant muddle.

California was seeking to require annual SMOG inspections older
thn fo9urteen yeqrs old, but more thqn the 75 yeqr limit. It
flopped in the legislature.

Then the state released qa study indicati9ng that the SMOG
inspections aand remedial work was flawed for various reasons.

So annual inspctions still reqired for 76 and younger, except for
quite new ones. I forgot the years as I am not likely to get a new
car anyway.

Now, they are talking about forgetting tail pipe tests and rolling
dyno for 96 and later cars. OBD II. So, now, the tech just plugs
inmto the OBDl and scans. If no codes or irregularities, thje car
is in compliance. Much less room for the rampant fraud.

And the FEDS have law on emission equipment! But, they have little
or no means to enforce it.

Well, this thing is up again. The hard drive crashed. New one in
now. I still have to down load the backed up files. I may have lost
a few of my pictures.

Carl–
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Uh oh, hadn’t seen that. Been driving around here for 7 years without
an issue now they want to mess up everything. Rats!!
pauls 67ots

In reply to a message from Larry Wade sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

But OTOH I discovered in searching that starting this year
California diesel cars have to undergo a smog check – underhood
check, exhaust smoke check, and OBD check, no exhaust content
analysis. Dang!

Jerry
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And we’re paying for that??!! No denying these inspections do some
good but IMHO mostly just an indirect method of taxation.
pauls 67ots

…Now, they are talking about forgetting tail pipe tests and rolling
dyno for 96 and later cars. OBD II. So, now, the tech just plugs
inmto the OBDl and scans. If no codes or irregularities, thje car
is in compliance. Much less room for the rampant fraud…

Carl
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Subject: Re: [E-Type] Desmogging and legality


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In reply to a message from paul spurlock sent Thu 25 Feb 2010:

In the Houston area:

I take the Jaguar in and the inspection fee is $14.

Take in a daily driver (2006 or 2007 Mazda) and the inspection is
$40.

The difference is the emmissions test required on the newer cars.

I have no idea how much of those fees go to the state and how much
the inspection site gets to keep. The facility I’ve been using for
the past 15 years does nothing but inspections and they have a
sizable investment in equipment so I suspect they get the lion’s
share of the inspection fee.

I found out Arkansas has no vehicle inspection. Yet another reason
to look forward to retirement and moving. :-)–
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And we’re paying for that??!! No denying these inspections do some
good but IMHO mostly just an indirect method of taxation.


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Paul wrote:

No denying these inspections do some
good but IMHO mostly just an indirect method of taxation.
Carl wrote:

So, now, the tech just plugs inmto the OBDl and scans.
If no codes or irregularities, the car is in compliance.
Much less room for the rampant fraud…

LOL, and of course, there is a cottage industry about to be set
up resetting the computer memory right before the official
‘test’. :-P______________________________________________________
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