[E-Type] Drive in Lovely Old Car/ XJ Racers

HI Listers,

Getting away from E Types a little, I have just come back from Cowra N.S.W
having stayed overnight after a drive in our old Series 1 XJ6, put back on
the Road as a daily user after selling Vicki’s BMW E30, she was not happy
about that, but America calls so off I go, well it was better then selling
my car.

The XJ is amazing still cruises at 80 MPH and pulls away from New Ford
Falcons, not bad for a 1972 model with 160,000 Miles, has a S/H engine done
about 20,000 KM,well so the bloke told me and at $200.00 the engine was
worth a punt, noisy tappet or two but goes strong with just a tiny oil leak.

I enjoyed the drive in the XJ, a remarkable car the XJ Ser 1, should become
a collectable item soon ? What’s their Staus in the US ? .
XJ6 a Great basis for a Club Racing formula, they have tried to get it
happening here in Australia but too much un decisive thinking, floundering
around, has put some off too many Rule changes, and to trying to enforce
Automatic Transmissions, I think has spoilt all hope of attracting entrants
for what promised to be a Winner for Jaguar Enthusiasts.
Regards
Terry__________________________________________________
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Terry, from what I hear, the Series 3 is the “new” classic----1985, 86, and
87 being the desirable years. The reason given is better quality.

I am fortunate enough to have an 85 VP with only 71K miles on her and in
excellent condition. She is almost as much fun as the 66 OTS!!

Regards
Tom-----Original Message-----
From: JAGPRO jagpro@geocities.com
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org e-type@jag-lovers.org
Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:19 PM
Subject: [E-Type] Drive in Lovely Old Car/ XJ Racers.

HI Listers,

Getting away from E Types a little, I have just come back from Cowra N.S.W
having stayed overnight after a drive in our old Series 1 XJ6, put back on
the Road as a daily user after selling Vicki’s BMW E30, she was not happy
about that, but America calls so off I go, well it was better then selling
my car.

The XJ is amazing still cruises at 80 MPH and pulls away from New Ford
Falcons, not bad for a 1972 model with 160,000 Miles, has a S/H engine done
about 20,000 KM,well so the bloke told me and at $200.00 the engine was
worth a punt, noisy tappet or two but goes strong with just a tiny oil
leak.

I enjoyed the drive in the XJ, a remarkable car the XJ Ser 1, should become
a collectable item soon ? What’s their Staus in the US ? .
XJ6 a Great basis for a Club Racing formula, they have tried to get it
happening here in Australia but too much un decisive thinking, floundering
around, has put some off too many Rule changes, and to trying to enforce
Automatic Transmissions, I think has spoilt all hope of attracting entrants
for what promised to be a Winner for Jaguar Enthusiasts.
Regards
Terry


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Terry,
I’ve owned a 71 Series I XJ6 and a “rare” Series I SWB XJ12–and yes
these cars drive very well and look the best in my book, especially with the
“central” instruments, slim bumpers and larger grill (which was copied by GM
for the second series Camaro). But these are relatively high maintenance
cars
and four door sedans, of any make, just don’t seem to achieve true
collectible status. I guess you see the occasional superbly restored Mark
VII-IX getting
high prices at auction, but the XJ sedans (and even the 75-77 coupes) don’t
seem to be capturing much attention. But of course they make great drivers.
Just my opinion,

Rob
67 OTS----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Felts tfelts@prodigy.net
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Drive in Lovely Old Car/ XJ Racers.

Terry, from what I hear, the Series 3 is the “new” classic----1985, 86,
and
87 being the desirable years. The reason given is better quality.

I am fortunate enough to have an 85 VP with only 71K miles on her and in
excellent condition. She is almost as much fun as the 66 OTS!!

Regards
Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: JAGPRO jagpro@geocities.com
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org e-type@jag-lovers.org
Date: Friday, March 10, 2000 11:19 PM
Subject: [E-Type] Drive in Lovely Old Car/ XJ Racers.

HI Listers,

Getting away from E Types a little, I have just come back from Cowra
N.S.W

having stayed overnight after a drive in our old Series 1 XJ6, put back
on

the Road as a daily user after selling Vicki’s BMW E30, she was not happy
about that, but America calls so off I go, well it was better then
selling

my car.

The XJ is amazing still cruises at 80 MPH and pulls away from New Ford
Falcons, not bad for a 1972 model with 160,000 Miles, has a S/H engine
done

about 20,000 KM,well so the bloke told me and at $200.00 the engine was
worth a punt, noisy tappet or two but goes strong with just a tiny oil
leak.

I enjoyed the drive in the XJ, a remarkable car the XJ Ser 1, should
become

a collectable item soon ? What’s their Staus in the US ? .
XJ6 a Great basis for a Club Racing formula, they have tried to get it
happening here in Australia but too much un decisive thinking,
floundering

around, has put some off too many Rule changes, and to trying to enforce
Automatic Transmissions, I think has spoilt all hope of attracting
entrants

for what promised to be a Winner for Jaguar Enthusiasts.
Regards
Terry


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Terry asks…

JAGPRO wrote:

a collectable item soon ? What’s their Staus in the US ? .

The sI xj6 is one of the best kept secrets around. They can be picked
up cheap because of their non-reliable reputation, even if they are one
of the best road cars produced. Two things against them, first, almost
all US imports are automatic trannys, and second, they are 4-door
models.
I would highly recommend one for those willing to roll up their sleves
and get greasy. It’s a do-it-yerself car since todays young “modern”
mechanics only know how to take parts off and put new ones on.
LLoyd

Tom Said,

Terry, from what I hear, the Series 3 is the “new” classic----1985, 86,
and
87 being the desirable years. The reason given is better quality.

I am fortunate enough to have an 85 VP with only 71K miles on her and in
excellent condition. She is almost as much fun as the 66 OTS!!

Regards
Tom

Terry Says,

Sounds like you have a nice car 71K ,that’s just run in, Brigitte our eldest
Daughter has a Sebring Red Ser 3 XJ6 Sovereign, it’s a very nice car it’s
done about 200,000 KM and looks and goes like new.

We had an XJ40, it was OK but lacked something seemed to be not Jaguar can’t
really say why we did not like it , guess the looks had something to do with
it.

The Ser 1 XJ6 is more Raw but it’s Jaguar and the handling is very good, the
shorter wheelbase and lighter weight give it a more Sporty feeling.

I bet it’s cool up your way ?

Regards
Terry__________________________________________________
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Rob Said,

Terry,
I’ve owned a 71 Series I XJ6 and a “rare” Series I SWB XJ12–and yes
these cars drive very well and look the best in my book, especially with
the
“central” instruments, slim bumpers and larger grill (which was copied by
GM
for the second series Camaro). But these are relatively high maintenance
cars
and four door sedans, of any make, just don’t seem to achieve true
collectible status. I guess you see the occasional superbly restored Mark
VII-IX getting
high prices at auction, but the XJ sedans (and even the 75-77 coupes)
don’t
seem to be capturing much attention. But of course they make great
drivers.
Just my opinion,

Terry Says,

Rob,
The Series 1 V/12, yeah they are nice, I would have thought the early XJ’s
would have started to be noticed, they make good drivers and the XJ6
especially is really maintenance free once it’s been gone through, nice ride
and handle well, look distinctive, yeah one could drive around in a restored
Ser 1 and feel, I think very happy.

The relative light weight allows good performance, with a few goodies under
the hood like maintenance free ignition, maybe a Gas Flowed Head and 9-1
Compression one might be suprised just how well & reliable the old ladies
perform.

Then again I like old Jaguars as drivers,seem to me to be a good alternative
to the boring Plastic Generation of Cars turned out to day.
What would I pay for a Rust Free XJ Ser 1 in Austin ?
Regards
Terry__________________________________________________
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Not too cool. Had the E out Wed–top down and 76 degrees!! Today is
another story—cold and damp.

Regards
tom-----Original Message-----
From: JAGPRO jagpro@geocities.com
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org e-type@jag-lovers.org
Date: Saturday, March 11, 2000 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Drive in Lovely Old Car/ XJ Racers.

Tom Said,

Terry, from what I hear, the Series 3 is the “new” classic----1985, 86,
and
87 being the desirable years. The reason given is better quality.

I am fortunate enough to have an 85 VP with only 71K miles on her and in
excellent condition. She is almost as much fun as the 66 OTS!!

Regards
Tom

Terry Says,

Sounds like you have a nice car 71K ,that’s just run in, Brigitte our
eldest
Daughter has a Sebring Red Ser 3 XJ6 Sovereign, it’s a very nice car it’s
done about 200,000 KM and looks and goes like new.

We had an XJ40, it was OK but lacked something seemed to be not Jaguar
can’t
really say why we did not like it , guess the looks had something to do
with
it.

The Ser 1 XJ6 is more Raw but it’s Jaguar and the handling is very good,
the
shorter wheelbase and lighter weight give it a more Sporty feeling.

I bet it’s cool up your way ?

Regards
Terry


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In a message dated 3/11/00 7:15:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tfelts@prodigy.net writes:

<< Terry, from what I hear, the Series 3 is the “new” classic----1985, 86, and
87 being the desirable years. The reason given is better quality. >>

Terry,

Tom is right about the status of the Series 3 as the “new classic,” but as a
daily driver of one, I would trade it in a heartbeat for a Series 1 in good
condition. Reasons: swb more nimble, more “grunt” from engine not impeded by
catalysts, etc. Even the look of the car is more immediate and intense, even
if the Series 3 is undeniably one of the best looking saloons ever produced.

That said, my current work involves a lot of driving around to clients and
construction sites around New Jersey, New York and Connecticut. Whenever one
of my colleagues (most of whom drive Acuras or BMWs and the like) go with me
they are always amazed at the performance and comfort of my 15 year old
beater!

Warren
Usually marching (er, driving) to the beat of a different drummer.

In a message dated 3/11/00 2:36:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jagpro@geocities.com writes:

<< What would I pay for a Rust Free XJ Ser 1 in Austin ? >>

Terry,

Here are the current Hemmings listings of Series 1 XJ6s:

  • 1971 XJ6, 2.8 liter, 4-spd/o’drive, factory air, no rust, xclnt orig,
    $8,500(in Maryland)
  • 1972 XJ6, 35k miles, 2nd owner, stored, mint $10,000 (in Texas)
  • 1972XJ6, maroon on tan, fully restored, runs & drives xclnt, $8,500 (in
    Connecticut)
  • 1972XJ6, 68k miles, original owner, etc., etc., drive home $3,500 (in
    Connecticut)

I know the last one listed. It definitely needs paint, and has a dent on top
of the right front wing, right on the crease, that looks like something fell
on it. It also needs a new interior; seats are all shapeless, although the
leather is not as bs as some I’ve seen. Drove pretty well though. Didn’t
buy because I’m saving my cash for my E-type!

Regards,
Warren

Warren Said,

  • 1972XJ6, 68k miles, original owner, etc., etc., drive home $3,500 (in
    Connecticut)

I know the last one listed. It definitely needs paint, and has a dent on
top
of the right front wing, right on the crease, that looks like something
fell
on it. It also needs a new interior; seats are all shapeless, although
the
leather is not as bs as some I’ve seen. Drove pretty well though. Didn’t
buy because I’m saving my cash for my E-type!

Terry Says,

Thanks for the information Warren, seems other Listers don’t mind a Chat
about XJ’s
well altleast there is no expressed disapproval yet.

The last car you describe sounds good to me, suprising the value here would
be about same, maybe more if the Miles were confirmed, the said car with an
engine problem would be what I was after,less money, I would be doing the
engine anyway.

I’m wondering if the XJ6 Ser 1 is not “Cool Enough” in the US ?

The four doors seems to be the down side for some, the Coupe Variant is a
pretty car shame they leak water so easily.

Is the Mark 2 a Cool car in the US ? We got the bulk of exports here in
Australia,well I think we did, the Mark 2 is to me the Classic Jag maybe
more then an E Type for different reasons,Bob Jane,Ron Hodgson and others
made it a Legend here as it was in the UK, don’t here much about it in the
US though, was it raced in the US?

I was to race a XJ6 stick shift at Bathurst, after preliminary testing the
project was abandoned when the Sponsors were persuaded by my prospective CO
Driver to go for a Toyota Corrolla, I was disappointed as a Mercedes 280SE
that we had seen practice was slower then the Jag and was well placed well
in actual Race until a holed Radiator caused overheating.

I suppose I will always wonder what might have been.

If Listers ever get the chance to have a drive in a really good XJ6 Ser 1 do
so, they may change their minds about the said XJ.

The Ser 3 XJ is indeed a nice car, strange as it might seem they are very
reliable apart form the Trip Computer & Cruise Control they stand up very
well after all these years.

I don’t understand that some may think the XJ6 SER 1 is un reliable, its a
very basic car sharing so many design features of the E Type which is
equally a very basic and easily maintained car .

The Ser 1 XJ can be updated with brake components from the SER 3 and with a
Stick Shift easily fitted makes a good fun Rally,or Club Race Car as well as
a daily driver.

With some careful attention to suspension and engine it makes the Mark 2
seem very antiquated.

I see Dan Mooney is getting some goodies for the XJ Sedans, Alloy Radiators,
Good Shocky’s and more, remember whatever you can do to the E Type the Ser 1
XJ responds equally as well.

It’s my to day pick of the Jaguar Classic Sedans maybe not as nostalgic as
the Mark 2 but it should become more appreciated in time.

Regards
Terry__________________________________________________
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Gentleman,

Here in Holland people love old cars for two reason:

  • the obvious reasons like they are different from the usual new ones
  • insurance payments and road taxes (25 jrs +), the last also for the LPG,
    autogas

Some very popular models are:
- jag all, especially MK2, XJ ser 1
- mercedes all, especially '66-72 models, 116 is upcoming

Personally I do like driving in the series 1 and mk2, but i prefer the
light weight and more sports behavoir of the E.
A special car industrie is developed for restoring old MK2, or even
upgrading with XJ-2+3 components. Some in a 100 % new condition, are sold
for prices you are willing to pay for an e-type.

Wilko Pels

At 13:29 12-3-00 +1100, you wrote:

Warren Said,

  • 1972XJ6, 68k miles, original owner, etc., etc., drive home $3,500 (in
    Connecticut)

I know the last one listed. It definitely needs paint, and has a dent on
top
of the right front wing, right on the crease, that looks like something
fell
on it. It also needs a new interior; seats are all shapeless, although
the
leather is not as bs as some I’ve seen. Drove pretty well though. Didn’t
buy because I’m saving my cash for my E-type!

Terry Says,

Thanks for the information Warren, seems other Listers don’t mind a Chat
about XJ’s
well altleast there is no expressed disapproval yet.

The last car you describe sounds good to me, suprising the value here would
be about same, maybe more if the Miles were confirmed, the said car with an
engine problem would be what I was after,less money, I would be doing the
engine anyway.

I’m wondering if the XJ6 Ser 1 is not “Cool Enough” in the US ?

The four doors seems to be the down side for some, the Coupe Variant is a
pretty car shame they leak water so easily.

Is the Mark 2 a Cool car in the US ? We got the bulk of exports here in
Australia,well I think we did, the Mark 2 is to me the Classic Jag maybe
more then an E Type for different reasons,Bob Jane,Ron Hodgson and others
made it a Legend here as it was in the UK, don’t here much about it in the
US though, was it raced in the US?

I was to race a XJ6 stick shift at Bathurst, after preliminary testing the
project was abandoned when the Sponsors were persuaded by my prospective CO
Driver to go for a Toyota Corrolla, I was disappointed as a Mercedes 280SE
that we had seen practice was slower then the Jag and was well placed well
in actual Race until a holed Radiator caused overheating.

I suppose I will always wonder what might have been.

If Listers ever get the chance to have a drive in a really good XJ6 Ser 1 do
so, they may change their minds about the said XJ.

The Ser 3 XJ is indeed a nice car, strange as it might seem they are very
reliable apart form the Trip Computer & Cruise Control they stand up very
well after all these years.

I don’t understand that some may think the XJ6 SER 1 is un reliable, its a
very basic car sharing so many design features of the E Type which is
equally a very basic and easily maintained car .

The Ser 1 XJ can be updated with brake components from the SER 3 and with a
Stick Shift easily fitted makes a good fun Rally,or Club Race Car as well as
a daily driver.

With some careful attention to suspension and engine it makes the Mark 2
seem very antiquated.

I see Dan Mooney is getting some goodies for the XJ Sedans, Alloy Radiators,
Good Shocky’s and more, remember whatever you can do to the E Type the Ser 1
XJ responds equally as well.

It’s my to day pick of the Jaguar Classic Sedans maybe not as nostalgic as
the Mark 2 but it should become more appreciated in time.

Regards
Terry


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