The one thing that seems to be the most prevalent on tours is fuel pump failures. I’ve bought a spare to carry, and have looked at the one I have installed to identify an easy way to make changing pumps a five minute job. If we all follow this standard, any spare from any of our cars will fit any other so we lose as little time on the road as possible.
First, put a male spade connection on both the power and ground wires of the pump. put female spades on both sides in the vehicle.
Second, those of you who still have the banjo connections, get rid of them. Put standard 3/8 (I think) rubber line on each end held in place by radiator hose type clamps.
That way changing the pump is a five minute job… AND anyone who doesn’t have a spare will be able to use any spare carried by anyone else (with a r eplacement mailed to the owner at the end of the tour, of course).
Sound good?
LLoyd
In reply to a message from LLoyd (a rithmetician) sent Fri 16 May 2014:
LLoyd!
Putting my 2 cents worth of wisdom, the only thing
wrong with that is that people tend to forget about
those fuel hoses in the rear, a fire hazard for sure,
when they start leaking.
Walter–
The original message included these comments:
The one thing that seems to be the most prevalent on tours is fuel pump failures. I’ve bought a spare to carry, and have looked at the one I have installed to identify an easy way to make changing pumps a five minute job. If we all follow this standard, any spare from any of our cars will fit any other so we lose as little time on the road as possible.
First, put a male spade connection on both the power and ground wires of the pump. put female spades on both sides in the vehicle.
Second, those of you who still have the banjo connections, get rid of them. Put standard 3/8 (I think) rubber line on each end held in place by radiator hose type clamps.
That way changing the pump is a five minute job… AND anyone who doesn’t have a spare will be able to use any spare carried by anyone else (with a r eplacement mailed to the owner at the end of the tour, of course).
–
Walter Schuster 78XJ6 FI Ser.II
Albuquerque/New Mexico, United States
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In reply to a message from W. Schuster sent Fri 16 May 2014:
Especially if you have an electric antenna.
Joel–
ex jag, '66 E-type S1 4.2, '56 XK140dhc, '97 XJ-6
Denison, TX, United States
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I don’t know, Walter. Had mine in place for the 21 years I’ve owned the car and have no problem.
LLoyd
My driveway is long enough that you can appreciate the conflict between the desire for privacy and the terror of being completely lost .----- Original Message -----
From: “W. Schuster” ewsch@isp.com
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 1:41:58 PM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] fuel pump standardization for OL tours
In reply to a message from LLoyd (a rithmetician) sent Fri 16 May 2014:
LLoyd!
Putting my 2 cents worth of wisdom, the only thing
wrong with that is that people tend to forget about
those fuel hoses in the rear, a fire hazard for sure,
when they start leaking.
Walter
G’Day Lloyd,
Would be safer to have the insulated female joiner on the hot wire to the
pump so if it accidentally falls off (or possibly out of a hand during
installation ) it cannot short to ground. Otherwise irrelevant I
guess…
Cheers, John B. 67 2+2 in Oz______________________________________________________
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Good suggestion, John.
(I already did mine the other way)
LLoyd
My driveway is long enough that you can appreciate the conflict between the desire for privacy and the terror of being completely lost .----- Original Message -----
From: “jembennett” jembennett@westnet.com.au
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 7:53:51 AM
Subject: [E-Type] fuel pump standardization for OL tours
G’Day Lloyd,
Would be safer to have the insulated female joiner on the hot wire to the
pump so if it accidentally falls off (or possibly out of a hand during
installation ) it cannot short to ground. Otherwise irrelevant I
guess…
Cheers, John B. 67 2+2 in Oz
In reply to a message from LLoyd (a rithmetician) sent Sat 17 May 2014:
It seems to me that, logically, if there is a part of the
car that is so unreliable that everyone brings a spare and
expects to need it, then that part should be replaced at
home in the garage rather than by the side of the road in
the dark in the rain. Furthermore, replacing that
unreliable part with an identical unreliable part is not
really creating any advantage. If you have indeed
identified an unreliable part then the smart thing to do
would be to replace it at home with a reliable part and be
done with it.–
Mike Eck '51 XK120 OTS, '62 3.8 MK2 MOD, '72 SIII E-Type 2+2
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My “unreliable” fuel pump has about 19 years on it, still works fine. But, they are cheap and small, so I’ll carry a spare. And I can change it out in just a few minutes.
Godo enough for govn’t work, as they say…
LLoyd
My driveway is long enough that you can appreciate the conflict between the desire for privacy and the terror of being completely lost .----- Original Message -----
From: “Michael Eck” mikeeck@optonline.net
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 8:07:22 PM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] fuel pump standardization for OL tours
In reply to a message from LLoyd (a rithmetician) sent Sat 17 May 2014:
It seems to me that, logically, if there is a part of the
car that is so unreliable that everyone brings a spare and
expects to need it, then that part should be replaced at
home in the garage rather than by the side of the road in
the dark in the rain. Furthermore, replacing that
unreliable part with an identical unreliable part is not
really creating any advantage. If you have indeed
identified an unreliable part then the smart thing to do
would be to replace it at home with a reliable part and be
done with it.
In reply to a message from Michael Eck sent Tue 20 May 2014:
That’a a reasonable thought Mike but on the last 'ol tour my
41 yo SU pump gave up the ghost, then the aftermarket pump I
had been carrying as a spare died after 4 days leaving me
stranded with a boot full of fuel in Big Spring, Texas.
Fortunately I had David L and LLoyd N there to lend me a hand
and on a Sunday morning we were able to find a pump at the
local O’Riely’s (believe it or not they had a listing for the
'73 E Type).
Mike K. was less fortunate than I on his way home and had to
wait several days in Demming, New Mexico to get a pump shipped
to him.
On another summer tour several years ago I had 2 SU fuel pumps
go out on my '68 as well, it might be that I’m just lucky but
I always carry a spare fuel pump now.
Based on my own experience it just seems like a weak link, and
Lloyd’s idea seems like a good one. Just saying…
Cheers,
Lynn–
The original message included these comments:
It seems to me that, logically, if there is a part of the
car that is so unreliable that everyone brings a spare and
expects to need it, then that part should be replaced at
home in the garage rather than by the side of the road in
the dark in the rain. Furthermore, replacing that
unreliable part with an identical unreliable part is not
really creating any advantage. If you have indeed
identified an unreliable part then the smart thing to do
would be to replace it at home with a reliable part and be
done with it.
Mike Eck '51 XK120 OTS, '62 3.8 MK2 MOD, '72 SIII E-Type 2+2
–
Lynn G.
68/85 ots, 73 2+2, Boise, Id., United States
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In reply to a message from LLoyd (a rithmetician) sent Tue 20 May 2014:
In 1984, my wife and I drove my 59 TR3 up to Santa Clara
along the Coast route. I tuned up the car before I left,
then decided the distributor ought to be replaced as it
was still the factory distributor. I ordered out a new one
(rebuilt) and before we left, I installed it-leaving the
old on on my work bench. By the time I got to Morro Bay,
the distributor noise was horrible as the rotor hit the
cap at a critical speed doe to failed bushings in the
upper part . I couldn’t find a dissy in Morro Bay. I drove
on into Santa Clara and was able to get a replacement.
One thing our TR club did was to suggest each person
remove their spare tires if they were caravanning. (How
many spares do 12-20 cars need which all use the same tire
size? Oh-got a special tire-too bad.Take your own spare.)
All that trunk space made room for lots of spares. As I
recall, a club meeting also involved a check of who had
what spares. We had lots of spares and were well prepared
for road side tech sessions.–
The original message included these comments:
In reply to a message from LLoyd (a rithmetician) sent Sat 17 May 2014:
It seems to me that, logically, if there is a part of the
car that is so unreliable that everyone brings a spare and
expects to need it, then that part should be replaced at
home in the garage rather than by the side of the road in
the dark in the rain. Furthermore, replacing that
unreliable part with an identical unreliable part is not
really creating any advantage. If you have indeed
identified an unreliable part then the smart thing to do
would be to replace it at home with a reliable part and be
done with it.
) it cannot short to ground. Otherwise irrelevant I