Has anyone installed a gear reduction starter on there series 1 and
which ones do you like if so. I am planning on replacing the
starter now. Bob–
1967 E- type ots & 1989 Corvette
Tucson, Arizona, United States
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In reply to a message from 2crazy4u sent Thu 8 May 2008:
I installed one on my 3.8 series 1 with no issues. The unit was
supplied by Rob Beere Racing.–
philddddd
Aberdeen, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from 2crazy4u sent Thu 8 May 2008:
I’ve thought about it in the past for my 3.8 because it was
sometimes sluggish. But then I recently had the original '62
starter professionally rebuilt locally (at very little cost)
and now the engine spins over as fast as you like. And
that’s with new piston rings and valves too.–
Clive, '62 Coupe 860320
Ontario, Canada
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My philosophy is to not replace the original starter unless it goes belly-up. Then, the high torque is not much more than a stock rebuild.
LLoyd–
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From: “Clive Wilkinson” clive.wilkinson@sympatico.ca
In reply to a message from 2crazy4u sent Thu 8 May 2008:
I’ve thought about it in the past for my 3.8 because it was
sometimes sluggish. But then I recently had the original '62
starter professionally rebuilt locally (at very little cost)
and now the engine spins over as fast as you like. And
that’s with new piston rings and valves too.Clive, '62 Coupe 860320
Ontario, Canada
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In reply to a message from 2crazy4u sent Thu 8 May 2008:
I can second the Rob Beere starter. Very light and draws
little current. It is one of the few that have been
carefully thought out with no need for the spacer and in
built dowels.
David–
David Jones, S1 OTS
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In reply to a message from 2crazy4u sent Thu 8 May 2008:
Having owned this car for 34 years, I kind of wonder what the
advantage of a gear reduction starter would be. When tuned
properly, the XK engine will always start with a small number of
spins even when cold. The Lucas starter with a well charged
battery and sound connections will spin the engine very fast
indeed. Over 34 years I have only replaced the starter maybe
twice. I bought a Lucas-rebuilt starter about 15 years ago and
it’s still in the box on the shelf.
If you keep the engine well tuned the starter won’t get more than a
few hundred rotations in ten years (just a guess). However high
the current draw, it won’t affect battery charge very much with
such small usage. If your car won’t start or takes a lot of
cranking, there is probably a better solution than a new starter.
Again, what is the advantage of a gear reduction starter?
(Rhetorical question)
Jerry–
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Jerry—spot on! Buy you (like me) can’t brag about having one!–
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In reply to a message from 2crazy4u sent Thu 8 May 2008:
Having owned this car for 34 years, I kind of wonder what the
advantage of a gear reduction starter would be. When tuned
properly, the XK engine will always start with a small number of
spins even when cold. The Lucas starter with a well charged
battery and sound connections will spin the engine very fast
indeed. Over 34 years I have only replaced the starter maybe
twice. I bought a Lucas-rebuilt starter about 15 years ago and
it’s still in the box on the shelf.
–
George Camp
Columbia SC, United States
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In reply to a message from 2crazy4u sent Thu 8 May 2008:
Here is a link to a diy mod using an Isuzu gear reduction
starter motor:
http://tinyurl.com/6esnlc
http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphstuff/73gt6br_tropperstarter.htm--
95 XJR, 69 E-Type ots ,97 Miata ,‘X’-type SUV
Sierra Madre Ca 91024, United States
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In reply to a message from soothsayer1@comcast.net sent Thu 8 May 2008:
‘‘the high torque is not much more than a stock rebuild.’’
I doubt that in my case Lloyd. I think it was around $70 and
came back like new, by a local Lucas trained English guy who
specializes in Lucas stuff. Mostly for antique cars and he’s
a racer too. I think he’s called ‘British Electric’.–
Clive, '62 Coupe 860320
Ontario, Canada
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I’m soooooooooooooooo jealous!! 
I think my rebuild ran around $125. Special California prices for our special California friends. But it was indeed like new.
LLoyd–
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From: “Clive Wilkinson” clive.wilkinson@sympatico.ca
In reply to a message from @soothsayer1 sent Thu 8 May 2008:
‘‘the high torque is not much more than a stock rebuild.’’
I doubt that in my case Lloyd. I think it was around $70 and
came back like new, by a local Lucas trained English guy who
specializes in Lucas stuff. Mostly for antique cars and he’s
a racer too. I think he’s called ‘British Electric’.Clive, '62 Coupe 860320
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In reply to a message from 2crazy4u sent Thu 8 May 2008:
The reason I am thinking of a starter change is I am trying to
avoid the future failure of the starter- the starter is probably
orginal and the car has not been driven in 25 years. I am trying
to replace the items so that the car is as reliable as I can make
it. I thought that some of the more modern starters are more
reliable than the famed Lucas. I am seeing many opinions which is
great. Thanks for all the info. Bob–
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Has anyone installed a gear reduction starter on there series 1 and
which ones do you like if so. I am planning on replacing the
starter now. Bob
–
1967 E- type ots & 1989 Corvette
Tucson, Arizona, United States
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Weight…and not much else.
Frank
62 E OTS
On Thu, 8 May 2008 18:23:12 +0200 “mouton” jerry@moutons.org writes:> Again, what is the advantage of a gear reduction starter?
(Rhetorical question)
Jerry
Jerry Mouton '64 FHC 889791 ‘MIK Jaguar’
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In reply to a message from Frank Filangeri sent Fri 9 May 2008:
I used the gear redux starter on my 62 for one simple reason: the
big original starter is hard to get in/out. So I figured as long as
I have the engine out, I’ll put the smaller starter in. If it fails
later, I can make easy work of reaching down there to get it.–
TomP (62 OTS, 66 2+2, 49 MGTC, 31 MG-M, 99 Z3)
El Dorado Hills (Sac), CA, United States
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In reply to a message from Frank Filangeri sent Fri 9 May 2008:
Less weight, faster cranking, much lower current. Permanent magnet
motor, so no field windings to worry about, which should equal
slightly better reliability. None of these really matter much, but
if you have to replace your starter anyway, why not?–
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Weight…and not much else.
Frank
–
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In reply to a message from 2crazy4u sent Thu 8 May 2008:
I have a gear reduction starter in my 4.2. Cranks faster
with less current , works great for me. I also put it in
while the engine was out.
I used these on my Chevy’s and absolutely loved them. More
cranking power, much less heat soak with headers. No need
for a F**d solenoid.
If my 3.8 breaks, I will go with a modern starter rather
than that big old puppy.
Cheers–
Gary Herzberg, 63 3.8 FHC 66 Series 1 OTS, 98 xk8
Montana, United States
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In reply to a message from Ray Livingston sent Fri 9 May 2008:
Raymondo - pardon my electrical ignorance but are these really a
magnet motor?
I bought a 4.2 one from Martin Curillo (spp?) at British Starters
on Long Island and then realised that as I was fitting a 3.8
flywheel the teeth would be wrong so he swapped no probs to a 3.8.
Then I figured that the 3.8 would be positive earth and hterefore
rotate the wrong way round on my 4.2. He said it was series-wound
so it would always turn the same direction regardless of polarity.
I assume(d) that meant no permanent magnet?
In all other respects - weight, cranking speed, current draw,
accessibility and revived service life over an old original I think
they are one of the more clear-cut upgrades. I would no longer
replace an original with an original, although I wouldn’t toss an
original either, if it was in situ, buried deep down there and
working fine.
Pete–
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Less weight, faster cranking, much lower current. Permanent magnet
motor, so no field windings to worry about, which should equal
slightly better reliability. None of these really matter much, but
if you have to replace your starter anyway, why not?
–
66 2+2, 78 RAM D-type replica
Cambridge, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from Heuer sent Thu 8 May 2008:
Hi David, I understand your E is in for work at the mo, I think I
have a similar spec to you and would like to know how many miles
you have on your JT5 and did you fit it yourself? Although I’ve
been quite happy with my standard synchro unit,I now feel the need
to try the 5 speed route as my lump is coming out once again and I
always like to add something when that yawning gap appears.After
reading about rusty frames on this forum, although I shot waxoil
down them with the car nearly vertical some years ago, will be a
good time to sound them, are yours OK? Cheers, Keith, Series2E–
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I can second the Rob Beere starter. Very light and draws
little current. It is one of the few that have been
carefully thought out with no need for the spacer and in
built dowels.
–
bowhunter
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In reply to a message from 2crazy4u sent Thu 8 May 2008:
Guys,
Here’s link to a post I made to XK list a few years ago.
Describes a few of my observations.
The XK guys discussed the aftermarket starter issue at length. Read
the entire thread if interested.
I believe that Gustafson Machine furnishes the starters to almost
all the usual vendors.
http://www.gustafsonspecialty.com/
Hope this helps,
Rich–
The original message included these comments:
Has anyone installed a gear reduction starter on there series 1 and
which ones do you like if so. I am planning on replacing the
starter now. Bob
1967 E- type ots & 1989 Corvette
Tucson, Arizona, United States
–
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perrineville/new jersey, United States
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In reply to a message from PeterCrespin sent Fri 9 May 2008:
Peter,
I haven’t taken one apart, but all the starters I’ve seen with
those small motors have been PM. That’s one of the ways they gain
efficiency, get the size down, and the RPMs up. Certainly if it
does always rotate the same direction regardless of power polarity,
then it must be series-wound and not PM.–
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Raymondo - pardon my electrical ignorance but are these really a
magnet motor?
Pete
–
Ray Livingston - '64 OTS Santa Cruz, CA
Santa Cruz, CA, United States
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In reply to a message from PeterCrespin sent Fri 9 May 2008:
Pete,
Weight – the original 3.8 starter weighs 10 lb (I just weighed my
backup). Say you save half of that. That 5 lbs is the equivalent
of taking your walking shoes off and putting on driving shoes, or
walking up stairs for a week.
Cranking speed – the original cranks plenty fast enough to start
the engine in one or two pops when it’s warm. The advantage is…?
Current draw – with a battery and engine in good condition the car
always starts, again the advantage?
Accessibility – does this matter if you never have to replace the
starter?
Reliability – and we know this because…? Ray had to replace
3 ‘‘reliable’’ Japanese alternators last week. I have had 15 years
use without touching the original. Just because the supplier says
it’s reliable it ain’t necessarily so.
And the car won’t sound like an E Type any more when you start it,
if that matters. And how many people have had problems getting the
right spacers, etc.?
I agree if someone plans to let his car drift into a disreputable
state, this starter would enable him to start the car for longer.
But why not just maintain the car as it really needs? We’re all
going to do this anyhow.
Look, I’m not saying don’t do this upgrade, I’m just asking why.
Jerry–
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In all other respects - weight, cranking speed, current draw,
accessibility and revived service life over an old original I think
they are one of the more clear-cut upgrades. I would no longer
–
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Palo Alto, California, United States
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