I had heard that someone in Germany designed a headlight cover kit.
So I wanted to get some feedback here and am truly shocked.
How is it that Randy H. can refer to the vendor in Germany as
a �Doofus� here in the forum? When signing up recently, I read and
agreed to the forum�s rules and guidelines. Derogatory comments
about members and vendors are not permitted. It cannot be
that �Wiggles� then comes up with an acronym �D.I.G.� to describe
Mr. Wahl as the �Doofus in Germany.�
Not a very good initial impression of this forum, I must say.
But, consider the source�
Randy did not even like the idea of headlight covers in Dec 2003.
Then waited for his wife to� (as he puts it) �sign off on the
absurd headlight conversion for my S1� (?..S1.5 maybe) in January
2006. And, initially seemed very happy with is purchase thereafter.
Being that I live in Stuttgart, Germany, I have since spoken to Mr.
Wahl personally on the phone and purchased a kit. And, this without
having to first get my wife to �sign off� or approve what I buy.
Mr. Wahl does not come across like a Doofus to me.
Rather a competent designer and inventor, eccentric in his ways.
Jaguar Heritage Mag even likes what he does.
Maybe the forum�s administration should take note of such
derogatory entries made by people like Randy and Wiggles who seem
to have nothing better to do�
With all due respect,
Charles–
Charles64
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In reply to a message from Charles64 sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
I have only a vague idea what a ‘‘Doofus’’ is but I thought it was
rather funny.Perhaps you shoud�nt take things so seriously?–
Myobb
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In reply to a message from Charles64 sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
Hi Charles, Welcome to the Jag Lovers forum on E types.If you are
able to stick around for a while I think that you will find that
this forum is extremely helpful to all posters, and in the main
folks are quite polite.From my perspective you have been
unfortunate in your first visits to find a ‘‘chink in the
armour’’.While I can understand your concerns about improper
comments, these are somewhat on the mild side I think, as doofus
and eccentric are not in any way strong language.While I have not
really folowed this topic , I believe there May be some background
which others MAY share with you off list. From my perspective I
find the product most likely of high quality, and certainly
somewhat on the high side price wise–
The original message included these comments:
I am new here and have an S2�
I had heard that someone in Germany designed a headlight cover kit.
So I wanted to get some feedback here and am truly shocked.
Charles64
–
John M Holmes 1973 E Type SIII Supra 5-Speed, 1970 SII OTS
Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
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I don’t know about you, but I have been a doofus several times on this
list----I think. But-----what is a doofus anyway? I want to be sure I
have my self analysis correct.
[Original Message]
From: Myobb myobb@freenet.de
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Date: 4/15/2007 11:41:13 AM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] New here, but sincerely shocked Headlight Cover
Doofus???
In reply to a message from Charles64 sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
I have only a vague idea what a ‘‘Doofus’’ is but I thought it was
rather funny.Perhaps you shoud�nt take things so seriously?
In reply to a message from Tom Felts sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
My wife, staff, secretary, clients, they all call me Doofus! Why?
Because it’s 5 AM PST and I’m already in my office on a SUnday
morning some 340 miles from my home! Boy am I a doofus.
I’m the guy that purchased the headlight ocver kit from Randal H.
Randal shared soem history with me about the purchase of the
headlights and taking his side for a moment there did appear to be
some resistance on Stefan’s part – remember all Randall wanted was
the correct version for his Ser 1.5.
Anyway, I emailed and called Stefan last week – about the kit. In
his broken English he provided me with references here in the US –
even offered (for a price) to upgrade the kit to the concours
quality (more about that later). All in all I found him very
reasonable to deal with. He even followed up by having his english
speaking assiatnt email me as a contact point for technical
information. All in all I get the sense, now having spoken to both
parties, that this was a case of ‘‘lost in translation’’ mixed with
equal parts of Germanic and Yankee righteousness and
inflexibility. I think everthying would have resloved itself had
they been able to meet and clearly discuss the matter face to face.
As for the concours kit – the kit I got from Randy was the basic
kit – when I pulled it out of the box I was not too impressed with
the quality of the aluminium (Brit car). My 70 OTS is really
cherry – see it on XKE vin 1R11325. Anyway, with a little hand
polish in a matter of seconds I was able to get quite a sparkle –
so I know that once buffed on the machine it will look pretty damn
good. I’m disappointed that the chrome does not match the width of
the Ser 1, but there you are.
One other thing, I purchased this car in SLC last year. The body
was restored by someone who apparently had won several concourses
for his work on E-types – and to all appearances my Jag was yet
another example. Imagine then, my disappoinetment when we pulled
off the eyebrow and found that while the paint under the eyebrow
was new, they’d put back the chrome before applying clearcoat –
there are other things and if anyone is looking at a Jag restored
in Salt Lake City, please contact me privately.
Rgds,
Tony
2 days and counting – every one file their tax returns?? Who has
claimed their Cat as a dependent – fess up–
Tony Pohl '70 Series 2 OTS
San Francisco, United States
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In reply to a message from Charles64 sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
Charles,
First, welcome to the forum. You will find a wealth of
information and experience here from people all over the
world.
Second, my advice (take it or leave it-it’s free!) is to
relax, sit back for a while and read everything posted here
and do some searches for past postings. Maybe read through
all of the recent postings about the various backgrounds of
people here. I believe you will find that this forum is like
a big extended family, with different personalities and ways
of expressing themselves. Communication is difficult enough
face to face, but when you add in different languages,
cultures, and only written messages it is easy to find
insult and negativity—if you look for it, or can’t
overlook a little. It’s a lot like a marriage (don’t tell
her I said that!).
Third, sometimes someone here might say something sarcastic,
or even out of anger (heat of the moment) and then a gentle
reminder to that person usually is enough to set things right.
Again, welcome to the forum. I’ve enjoyed traveling in your
beautiful country several times and have experienced the
wonderful hospitality of the people there. All except for
one really angry guy in Dresden, but I choose NOT to dwell
on that and instead focus on all of the fantastic people I met.–
The original message included these comments:
Hello!
I am new here and have an S2�
I had heard that someone in Germany designed a headlight cover kit.
So I wanted to get some feedback here and am truly shocked.
How is it that Randy H. can refer to the vendor in Germany as
a �Doofus� here in the forum? When signing up recently, I read and
agreed to the forum�s rules and guidelines. Derogatory comments
about members and vendors are not permitted. It cannot be
that �Wiggles� then comes up with an acronym �D.I.G.� to describe
Mr. Wahl as the �Doofus in Germany.�
Not a very good initial impression of this forum, I must say.
–
Michael Slos 69 E-type OTS
Scottsbluff Nebraska, United States
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In a message dated 4/15/2007 3:01:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, translate-it@email.de writes:
How is it that Randy H. can refer to the vendor in Germany as
a “Doofus” here in the forum? When signing up recently, I read and
agreed to the forum’s rules and guidelines. Derogatory comments
about members and vendors are not permitted. It cannot be
that “Wiggles” then comes up with an acronym “D.I.G.” to describe
Mr. Wahl as the “Doofus in Germany.”******************************************************
Charles,
Please do not judge either the forum or the people by this indiscretion.
I’m certain if they had realized their words were offensive, they would
never had said it.
This forum truly is a very civil group.
Best regards,
Mike Moore
Morgan Hill, Ca
************************************** See what’s free at http://www.aol.com.
I’m sorry if you were offended by my reference to that
fellow in Germany. I did not use his name on the Forum -
now or ever. And I selected a descriptor that should not
have set off alarms. Yes, I do consider myself a Doofus much
of the time as well. Never the less, you were offended and
if Stefan was, I apologize to him too. Stefan and I have
some extensive history. We came to a very disagreeable end
over this transaction. I did not bring it to the Forum, he
did.
In a situation like this there is always a back story. I
urge you to do a Forum search and you will quickly
understand the circumstances surrounding the ‘‘deal gone
bad’’. Meanwhile, my new friend Tony now owns the headlight
covers that were made for a Series 2 car (mine is a S1.5)
and other than a couple hundred dollars of shipping fees, I
have been made whole. I wish everyone well and am relieved
that this nasty bit of stuff is over.
Best,
Randy Harris
'68 OTS–
Randall Harris
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In reply to a message from Charles64 sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
Charles,
Forgive me if I overstep, but would you mind telling me whether you
are connected in some way with Mr. Wahl, or are related in some
way?
Based on the notes to date, the meaning of ‘‘doofus’’, and the norm
on web forums, I find it curious that your first post on the list
would be on this subject unless you were trying to somehow cover
Mr. Wahl’s reputation. I have not been involved in the discussion
to date, but I admit I am suspicious.
Again, forgive me if I am wrong, but what exactly is your
connection to Mr, Wahl?
In any case, you are welcome to the list and I hope you will find
it beneficial.
Jerry–
Jerry Mouton '64 FHC
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In reply to a message from lilAbner sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
Abner
The car is in the shop now. We had to cut a hole in the splash
shield to accomodate the recessed headlight, and XKs are shipping a
longer chrome bead to go along the bonnet. I’ll post a picture
when I get the car back at the end of this month. I can say
however that all is going well (apart from needing soem clear coat
touch up)
Tony–
Tony Pohl '70 Series 2 OTS
San Francisco, United States
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In reply to a message from Tony 70ETYPE sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
Tony
I’m very glad to hear that the conversion is going well.
It’s good to hear that you’re recieving some assistance from
Stefan also. The instruction manual for this conversion was
thin.
To Abner and anyone else that is curious, this headlight
cover conversion was clearly advertised and sold to me as a
100% reversible modification. This was extremely important
to me. Upon receipt it was clear that in order to do the
conversion on my S1.5 car, a body shop would have to cut
away a portion of my bonnet. And then a complete bonnet
repaint would need to be done. Not exactly reversible I
would say. This is not the case for S2 cars and that is why
the conversion should go well for Tony.
The quality of the components for the kits look just fine to
me. In fact, when done I think the look will be better than
original (think Ferrari), though not original looking.
Something to consider: If a car with this kit installed has
front end damage, a new kit will have to be fashioned from
scratch as the parts are only avail from the vendor and each
is made to order. That’s why if I do decide to convert my
S1.5 car in the future, I’ll have it done to original Jag
specs - just in case.
Randy
'68 OTS, '66 AH BJ8–
Randall Harris
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In reply to a message from Charles64 sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
Hi folks
wow what a response!
Im the also ‘new’ poster who raised the question of these covers.
I was really pleased to get a second opinion and will for now keep
thinking on the conversion.
Im always amazed at the level of knowledge and the willingness to
assit us ‘new’ guys.
In reply to a message from RockiesJag sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
There is a picture of a conversion from Germany on XKEdata. Ser.
II. I think it looks nice but the price is not right for me. It may
not be the kit in question but the car number is 1R10225. I am more
intrested in the clear front turn signal lenses that XK Engineering
in the UK is trying to source for me (and David Shields if he still
wants a pair). I’m going to give the UK a call tomorrow and see if
he they were successful in finding them. It’s been a few months
since I last called them, so maybe I’ll get lucky.–
The original message included these comments:
wow what a response!
Im the also ‘new’ poster who raised the question of these covers.
I was really pleased to get a second opinion and will for now keep
thinking on the conversion.
Im always amazed at the level of knowledge and the willingness to
assit us ‘new’ guys.
Thanks
–
Jeff Cecil 69 E-type FHC, 66 MGB Central North Carolina USA
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In reply to a message from RockiesJag sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
Hi, I had the conversion on a S3 1971 2+2. Pictures are on
XKEDATA 1S71947. I liked the look of the covered
headlights, but the kit is on the expensive side.
Jim–
The original message included these comments:
In reply to a message from Charles64 sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
In reply to a message from Charles64 sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
Others have already said what I would say on this matter and
that I’ll let stand.
My acronym was indeed a (generally) List-acceptable way to
refer to a previous poster’s designator.
I stand by my use of it and my position vis-a-vis what Randy
Harris has stated. There was indeed a backstory to all this
and I was ‘subject’ to some of the ‘discussions’ between Mr.
Wahl and Mr. Harris. I did NOT, quite intentionally, state
or speak ill of Mr. Wahl in a public thread, because I value
the List and wish to see it thrive for all future users.
Once you hang around (if you hang around) this list, I’m
sure you’ll find ALL to be reasonable, open to constructive
criticism, and ultimately, all have the best of intentions
in matters of dealing with vendors.
And with all circular respect, I welcome you to this list!–
The original message included these comments:
I am new here and have an S2�
Maybe the forum�s administration should take note of such
derogatory entries made by people like Randy and Wiggles who seem
to have nothing better to do�
–
Paul Wigton, '60 DKW 1000SP, '57 Chrysler Imperial, Tweety!
Keenesburg, CO, United States
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I have to say, this was my first thought as well.
Cheers,
A Doofus in Boise,
LynnOn Apr 15, 2007, at 8:43 AM, mouton wrote:
In reply to a message from Charles64 sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
Charles,
Forgive me if I overstep, but would you mind telling me whether you
are connected in some way with Mr. Wahl, or are related in some
way?
Based on the notes to date, the meaning of ‘‘doofus’’, and the norm
on web forums, I find it curious that your first post on the list
would be on this subject unless you were trying to somehow cover
Mr. Wahl’s reputation. I have not been involved in the discussion
to date, but I admit I am suspicious.
Again, forgive me if I am wrong, but what exactly is your
connection to Mr, Wahl?
In any case, you are welcome to the list and I hope you will find
it beneficial.
Jerry
Jerry Mouton '64 FHC
Lynn G
73 2+2 (Pearle)
68 OTS (Emmy)
Boise, ID USA
Just curious----was there ever an answer to Chuck’s e-mail?
tom aka DT
[Original Message]
From: Lynn Gardner lgardner28@cableone.net
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Date: 4/16/2007 10:45:47 AM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] New here, but sincerely shocked Headlight Cover
Doofus???
I have to say, this was my first thought as well.
Cheers,
A Doofus in Boise,
Lynn
In reply to a message from Charles64 sent Sun 15 Apr 2007:
Charles,
Forgive me if I overstep, but would you mind telling me whether you
are connected in some way with Mr. Wahl, or are related in some
way?
Based on the notes to date, the meaning of ‘‘doofus’’, and the norm
on web forums, I find it curious that your first post on the list
would be on this subject unless you were trying to somehow cover
Mr. Wahl’s reputation. I have not been involved in the discussion
to date, but I admit I am suspicious.
Again, forgive me if I am wrong, but what exactly is your
connection to Mr, Wahl?
In any case, you are welcome to the list and I hope you will find
it beneficial.
Jerry
Jerry Mouton '64 FHC
Lynn G
73 2+2 (Pearle)
68 OTS (Emmy)
Boise, ID USA
In reply to a message from mouton sent Mon 16 Apr 2007:
Did we ever see a reply from Charles as to whether or not he is, in
some way, related to Stefan?–
Tony Pohl '70 Series 2 OTS
San Francisco, United States
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I want to be sure I