[E-Type] New Owner introduction and question

I have been lurking here for years interested in e-types and with
the prices the way they are for the belovid breed other obligations
have come up… marrage… 1st house… until my father bought a 67
1.5 convertible yesterday!!! It is driver quality. Growing up
we would purchase the odd neglected 300.00 running XJ6 and have had
a total of 4 with the current almost perfect. Neither of us is very
machanicaly inclined and am asking for recomendations for someone
located in Chillicothe, Ohio(fathers home) or Columbus, Ohio (my
home) to recommend a mechanic to go over things before we really
start to drive it. My concern arises in that it sounds like a
sewing machine… (cam chain?) or valves. The previous owner had the
head rebuilt a couple of years ago, but not driven much in last 10
years. Also it does not seem to have the power it should (carb,
timing,?) almost like it isn’t getting full throtle. He had the
carbs rebuilt years ago, but like I said has not beem driven. Also
he had been having trouble with the fuel pump and we replaced that
yesterday.

I guess what I am asking is there an expert like wiggles close to
listen to the engine to know if it is ok to drive to a recomended
mechanic within close proximity (The other XJ6’s never sounded like
this)? Can anyone recommend a good mechanic close that is
reasonable? Because it sounds like a sewing machine is it ok to
drive? Any Idea for the lack of power?

Its early in the morning (been working on the car all night), I am
an 31 year old accountant so I appologise for my spelling and
rambling, things are not very clear from E-type induced lack of
sleep. I will update my profile to reflect my name, Bill Evans, so
you know who we are. My fathers name is Gary Evans. Thank you for
any help.–
Bill
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Pittsburgh, Pa is probably a little too far for you, but if interested I can give you a good reference.

Tom congrats on your “E”.>

From: “Billdog” bevans67@hotmail.com
Date: 2008/05/02 Fri AM 07:43:54 EDT
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [E-Type] New Owner introduction and question

I have been lurking here for years interested in e-types and with
the prices the way they are for the belovid breed other obligations
have come up… marrage… 1st house… until my father bought a 67
1.5 convertible yesterday!!! It is driver quality. Growing up
we would purchase the odd neglected 300.00 running XJ6 and have had
a total of 4 with the current almost perfect. Neither of us is very
machanicaly inclined and am asking for recomendations for someone
located in Chillicothe, Ohio(fathers home) or Columbus, Ohio (my
home) to recommend a mechanic to go over things before we really
start to drive it. My concern arises in that it sounds like a
sewing machine… (cam chain?) or valves. The previous owner had the
head rebuilt a couple of years ago, but not driven much in last 10
years. Also it does not seem to have the power it should (carb,
timing,?) almost like it isn’t getting full throtle. He had the
carbs rebuilt years ago, but like I said has not beem driven. Also
he had been having trouble with the fuel pump and we replaced that
yesterday.

I guess what I am asking is there an expert like wiggles close to
listen to the engine to know if it is ok to drive to a recomended
mechanic within close proximity (The other XJ6’s never sounded like
this)? Can anyone recommend a good mechanic close that is
reasonable? Because it sounds like a sewing machine is it ok to
drive? Any Idea for the lack of power?

Its early in the morning (been working on the car all night), I am
an 31 year old accountant so I appologise for my spelling and
rambling, things are not very clear from E-type induced lack of
sleep. I will update my profile to reflect my name, Bill Evans, so
you know who we are. My fathers name is Gary Evans. Thank you for
any help.

Bill
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Bill and Gary…congratulations and welcome to 1) ownership of the most beautiful car ever built and 2) the best automotive list and group of on the web!!

Re your “sewing machine”…usually I’ve always reserved this term for something that runs extremely well. In your case it seems the opposite. If you’re referring to the regular tappety sound, but otherwise no other weird sounds, this is typical of the e-type engine. Shouldn’t be overly loud of course but it’s better to hear this rather than silence. Silence means the valve clearances are too tight and you risk burning a valve.

So, couple of basic questions:

Does the engine start easily? Does it idle smoothly when warmed up? What is the oil pressure cold/warm? How many carb’s is the car fitted with?

If the car starts easily, runs smoothly and idles smoothly, can’t be much wrong with it generally speaking.

Re the apparent lack of power…you can find out if the throttles are opening up correctly quite simple. If you remove the air filter plenum/assy, have someone place their foot hard down on the accelerator and then look down each of the carbs (might need a flashlight). You should see the throttle plates in the completely horizontal position.

I assume you’ve put new plugs into it? If not, might want to do that first.

Good luck!!

Les Halls
Atlanta Ga
'68 S1.5 2+2> To: e-type@jag-lovers.org

Subject: [E-Type] New Owner introduction and question
From: bevans67@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:43:54 +0200

I have been lurking here for years interested in e-types and with
the prices the way they are for the belovid breed other obligations
have come up… marrage… 1st house… until my father bought a 67
1.5 convertible yesterday!!! It is driver quality. Growing up
we would purchase the odd neglected 300.00 running XJ6 and have had
a total of 4 with the current almost perfect. Neither of us is very
machanicaly inclined and am asking for recomendations for someone
located in Chillicothe, Ohio(fathers home) or Columbus, Ohio (my
home) to recommend a mechanic to go over things before we really
start to drive it. My concern arises in that it sounds like a
sewing machine… (cam chain?) or valves. The previous owner had the
head rebuilt a couple of years ago, but not driven much in last 10
years. Also it does not seem to have the power it should (carb,
timing,?) almost like it isn’t getting full throtle. He had the
carbs rebuilt years ago, but like I said has not beem driven. Also
he had been having trouble with the fuel pump and we replaced that
yesterday.

I guess what I am asking is there an expert like wiggles close to
listen to the engine to know if it is ok to drive to a recomended
mechanic within close proximity (The other XJ6’s never sounded like
this)? Can anyone recommend a good mechanic close that is
reasonable? Because it sounds like a sewing machine is it ok to
drive? Any Idea for the lack of power?

Its early in the morning (been working on the car all night), I am
an 31 year old accountant so I appologise for my spelling and
rambling, things are not very clear from E-type induced lack of
sleep. I will update my profile to reflect my name, Bill Evans, so
you know who we are. My fathers name is Gary Evans. Thank you for
any help.

Bill
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In reply to a message from Billdog sent Fri 2 May 2008:

Not everyone has the same notion as to what a sewing machine
sounds like…
The marketers of the new 123 distributor, apparently
idealize the sewing machine in their estimation of their
product by stating:

‘’…A 123ignition keeps the looks under the bonnet
‘original’, but makes the engine spin like a Japanese
sewing-machine!..’’

The initial camshafts were found to be tad noisy so:
There were some minor factory changes made to the camshafts
(profile of cam) of these engines that provided quieter
running. I belive these changes were made about the time of
the series two 4.2 engines’ production…

Not getting full throttle is a very common shortcoming when
the carburetors are not properly adjusted and synchronized
and the then linkage adjusted to a ‘‘fare thee well’’

Abner–
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start to drive it. My concern arises in that it sounds like a
sewing machine… (cam chain?) or valves. The previous owner had the
head rebuilt a couple of years ago, but not driven much in last 10
years. Also it does not seem to have the power it should (carb,
timing,?) almost like it isn’t getting full throtle. He had the
carbs rebuilt years ago, but like I said has not beem driven. Also
he had been having trouble with the fuel pump and we replaced that


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In reply to a message from Billdog sent Fri 2 May 2008:

Welcome into the light, lurker Bill! That sounds like a
wonderful car, and you’ll have it sorted out in no time with
the help of the list. Congratulations!

Post photos of the new baby when you can. Cigars for all!–
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I have been lurking here for years interested in e-types and with
the prices the way they are for the belovid breed other obligations
have come up… marrage… 1st house… until my father bought a 67
1.5 convertible yesterday!!! It is driver quality. Growing up


Ginger, 1971 SIII 2+2, 1966 SI OTS
Central Florida, United States
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Bill,
Welcome and congrats on the new ride. If you’ve been lurking for a
coupla years you know the drill here already. We’re glad to have you
and most here all aim to try to make the owner experience more
delightful than it already is. Not near Ohio and can’t diagnose your
car from here but a consistent noise rather than a loud tick or knock
is probably not harmful to drive. Watch the oil pressure and
temperature. If it doesn’t over heat and keeps reasonable oil
pressure you’re off to a good start. Tell us more about your car and
if you haven’t already, post some pictures and info on xked.com so we
can all see.
pauls 67ots

I have been lurking here for years interested in e-types and with
the prices the way they are for the belovid breed other obligations
have come up… marrage… 1st house… until my father bought a 67
1.5 convertible yesterday!!! It is driver quality. Growing up
we would purchase the odd neglected 300.00 running XJ6 and have had
a total of 4 with the current almost perfect. Neither of us is very
machanicaly inclined and am asking for recomendations for someone
located in Chillicothe, Ohio(fathers home) or Columbus, Ohio (my
home) to recommend a mechanic to go over things before we really
start to drive it. My concern arises in that it sounds like a
sewing machine… (cam chain?) or valves. The previous owner had the
head rebuilt a couple of years ago, but not driven much in last 10
years. Also it does not seem to have the power it should (carb,
timing,?) almost like it isn’t getting full throtle. He had the
carbs rebuilt years ago, but like I said has not beem driven. Also
he had been having trouble with the fuel pump and we replaced that
yesterday.

I guess what I am asking is there an expert like wiggles close to
listen to the engine to know if it is ok to drive to a recomended
mechanic within close proximity (The other XJ6’s never sounded like
this)? Can anyone recommend a good mechanic close that is
reasonable? Because it sounds like a sewing machine is it ok to
drive? Any Idea for the lack of power?

Its early in the morning (been working on the car all night), I am
an 31 year old accountant so I appologise for my spelling and
rambling, things are not very clear from E-type induced lack of
sleep. I will update my profile to reflect my name, Bill Evans, so
you know who we are. My fathers name is Gary Evans. Thank you for
any help.


Bill
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Subject: [E-Type] New Owner introduction and question


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In reply to a message from Ginger sent Fri 2 May 2008:

No thanks, Ginger. I’d rather suckle on a 45-year old grease
zerk…still attached to the front ball joint of an XKE!!!
ewwww…:slight_smile:

But, I’ll pass out CANDY cigars to the new owner!!!
Welcome to the ‘Funn-E Farm’…!–
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Post photos of the new baby when you can. Cigars for all!


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In reply to a message from Billdog sent Fri 2 May 2008:

Bill, hope you don’t intend to take it to the shop everytime
something is amiss. My advice is to obtain some of the excellent
manuals on the E-Type. With these and the help you will get from
this forum, will get you many miles of happy motoring.
Welcome and good luck!
Bob 64 OTS–
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In reply to a message from lilAbner sent Fri 2 May 2008:

Before I learned how to fix cars or Jags I was an industrial sewing
machine mechanic. When the Jag was running perfectly it was
referred to as running as smooth as a sewing machine. Most think of
a sewing machine as a crude clank clunk machine. Industrial
machines are very high precision pieces of equipment. We had
machines that would run at up to 8000 rpm hour after hour. Had auto
style high pressure oil pumps and splash systems etc.The needles
would get so hot smoke would rise.

Glenn Wior
70 E–
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‘’…A 123ignition keeps the looks under the bonnet
‘original’, but makes the engine spin like a Japanese
sewing-machine!..’’


melloyello
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Re: Sewing machines…

Funny you should mention. I’ve described my SIII before at 70 mph sounding
like “a big-ass sewing machine on steroids”, and it does. The V-12 is sooooo
smooth you can’t believe it. It “settles in” nicely at 70 with no harmonic
vibrations. Just a great collection of parts all moving in the same
direction as Wiggy would say.

FWIW, I got 17.8 mpg on the flats and 16.8 running through the mountains,
pulling my trailer on a 700 mile round trip last week, from Page to Phoenix
and running at about 70-75 mph for most of it. (We don’t have a lot of
cities and towns to slow us down in this neck of the woods). Using the AC
nearing Phoenix dropped that figure by 1 mpg.

Dick Hile
74 OTS
59 Mk IX
Page/Lake Powell, AZ______________________________________________________
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In reply to a message from Dick Hile sent Sun 4 May 2008:

Wow…that’s stunningly good mileage, for a V-12…well done!
As for your car as a ‘collection of parts, heading in the same
general direction?’’
Not so much!

XkE’s are actually well-engineered, unlike the cars Dad mentioned!
And yes, I too agree about a sewing machine; Mom Wiggles was also a
seamstress and had the best of the best sewing machine, a
Husqvarna, and it sounded GREAT!

Paul (who can still sew a buttonhole!) Wiggles–
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Funny you should mention. I’ve described my SIII before at 70 mph sounding
like ‘‘a big-ass sewing machine on steroids’’, and it does. The V-12 is sooooo
smooth you can’t believe it. It ‘‘settles in’’ nicely at 70 with no harmonic
vibrations. Just a great collection of parts all moving in the same
direction as Wiggy would say.
FWIW, I got 17.8 mpg on the flats and 16.8 running through the mountains,
pulling my trailer on a 700 mile round trip last week, from Page to Phoenix
and running at about 70-75 mph for most of it. (We don’t have a lot of


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In reply to a message from Billdog sent Fri 2 May 2008:

Sorry that I haven’t gotten back…My father purchased the Jag on
Thursday and Friday morning I had previous obligations for a
rafting trip on the cheat river and just returned today. I made a
bit of a mistake when I stated that it was a 1967, it is in fact a
1968 with dual zeniths. The little bit I drove it on Thursday it
seemed to act like a motorcycle with a clogged main jet, and my
father agrees. I didn�t even think to look in the carbs; it was
acting like it wasn�t getting floored. I will call my father and
have him take a look at it. Right now the front end is adjusted so
the bonnet will not tip up very far (another thing to fix), so
working on it is hard. Will try and post a picture–
Bill Evans
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In reply to a message from Bill Evans sent Wed 7 May 2008:

I just added some pictures of when we were picking it up to the
photo album.–
Bill Evans
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In reply to a message from Bill Evans sent Wed 7 May 2008:

Bill,
Yeah, that front end looks a LOT low. You’ll need to get in
there and adjust the torsion bars (NOT a fun job…). The exhaust
is wrong for that model, at least the resonators are. You have S2
resonators. You should have S1, with the two pipes coming out
close together, right under the backup light. The ones you have
should work fine, just won’t look right. Check the rear hanger, it
looks like it may be broken or missing, which would explain why the
pipes hang so low. Otherwise, looks like a nice car.–
Ray Livingston - '64 OTS Santa Cruz, CA
Santa Cruz, CA, United States
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In reply to a message from Ray Livingston sent Wed 7 May 2008:

Ray

Thank you for thinking that it looks good. I am sure that we will
find a wrench in the door or something(I think that was your car
years ago). We have a long road ahead of us and are tring to do a
little at a time as funds are available. Today we ordered a gas
petal, plug wires, and rubber door seals. We will have to wait to
adjust the front end until we can have a friend sneak us in his
work garage, the way it is now we can’t hardly get the hood up.My
father got to looking at the carb linkage today and said that it is
pretty rigged, one rod he said had even been welded. So, we have to
wait to fix the hood, fix the hood, so we can get to the carbs,
rebuild the carbs, and find correct linkage. Worst part is he had
to sell me his 84 Alfa(red with tan top and perfect) to finance the
purchase, and it looks like we won’t get the E on the road for a
while.–
Bill Evans
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Bill, don’t get down on yourself about the car. Everyone of us on the list has similar expriences, and much much worse in many cases, as you are having with your car. Chin up, keep at it. It will be well worth it in the end.

A word of caution that has been echoed many times on the list…do what you have to to keep the car safely on the road and enjoy it as much as you can before taking on the awesome task of rebuilding. This can take years and you can easily become disallusioned with the magnitude of the job and give up. Use it and enjoy it as much as you possibly can and you’ll see why so many have found so much fun and pleasure with these awesome and beautiful machines.

Les Halls
Atlanta Ga
'68 S1.5 2+2> To: e-type@jag-lovers.org

Subject: Re: [E-Type] New Owner introduction and question
From: bevans67@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 02:09:59 +0200

In reply to a message from Ray Livingston sent Wed 7 May 2008:

Ray

Thank you for thinking that it looks good. I am sure that we will
find a wrench in the door or something(I think that was your car
years ago). We have a long road ahead of us and are tring to do a
little at a time as funds are available. Today we ordered a gas
petal, plug wires, and rubber door seals. We will have to wait to
adjust the front end until we can have a friend sneak us in his
work garage, the way it is now we can’t hardly get the hood up.My
father got to looking at the carb linkage today and said that it is
pretty rigged, one rod he said had even been welded. So, we have to
wait to fix the hood, fix the hood, so we can get to the carbs,
rebuild the carbs, and find correct linkage. Worst part is he had
to sell me his 84 Alfa(red with tan top and perfect) to finance the
purchase, and it looks like we won’t get the E on the road for a
while.

Bill Evans
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In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Thu 8 May 2008:

Having a XJ6 and an E-Type - Best of both worlds I reckon!

Nice photos.

Tom–
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In reply to a message from Bill Evans sent Wed 7 May 2008:

Bill:

Welcome to E-Type ownership-she’s purtty it red! Sweet! Yes,
she is definitely a '68. Some call her a Series 1.5 but
lately the 'tween E’s are getting parsed even finer. I would
almost expect to be hearing judges refer to them as:

‘‘She’s a series 1.575, beta version 2.02 with a build date
of 03.06.68…’’

‘‘We have met the enemy and he is us’’

Anyway, we’ll expect to see LOTS of pictures soon!

Now begins the looong winding journey of uncovering all of
the repair ‘‘history’’, both good and bad-and trust me, you
will have a mix of both. May your ‘‘pluses’’ outweigh the
‘‘minuses’’.

Don’t worry too much about the S-ll exhaust resonators. Yes,
maybe at some point you will want to change them, or maybe
not, but you’ve got other things to do first. You will want
to have the torsion bars adjusted for proper road clearance.
The carbs are items of constant discussion here-just look at
the post on ‘‘secondary butterflies’’ above as you have 'em.
The good news is that there are specialists who can rebuild
them to better than new, so save your pennies (plan on about
$200. per carb) and ship 'em off, if you are not up to the
rebuild.

So, in the meantime, get those torsion bars adjusted, carbs
looked at and just enjoy her the way she is!

Bob–
'69 2+2-Big Red, '69 OTS-Priscilla, '99 XK8-Othello
Mantua NJ, United States
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In reply to a message from Robert Moore sent Thu 8 May 2008:

I know what everyone is saying about not taking it apart. It was
purchased as a driver and that is what it will always be. My father
paid 17 for and it has a couple of patches, (drivers floor, sill,
and the passangers rear quarter has about a 2X4 spot) but I thought
that if it didn’t have much for body work and ran that it was a
pretty good price. Hopefully by July we can have it half way sorted
and start driving it.

Does anyone know a trick to keep the boot up or do you just carry a
stick in your trunk? Also, my father tried to straighten the
flasher stalk and it broke today when I was talking to him, is it a
big deal to replace?–
Bill Evans
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Hi Bill,
A lot of folks carry a stick, I helped a friend add a couple of
springs to his just this week and did mine this last fall. As I
understand it they came with 5 springs on each side but after mine
was restored it took 6 and my friends took 7 to hold it up (assuming
you don’t have a rack on the boot lid). It’s fairly easy to do but
you will have to remove the boot lid and the hinge to be able to
replace or add new springs. The springs can be found at the usuals
so let me know if you would like me to send a description of my
technique off line.
Cheers,
LynnOn May 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Bill Evans wrote:

Does anyone know a trick to keep the boot up or do you just carry a
stick in your trunk?

Lynn G
73fhc 4zs
68ots 3su
Boise, ID USA


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