[E-Type] New Vs Classic... was Catastrophy strikes! Help!

E-Type
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oh gee… attorney talking :slight_smile:

I dont think they’ll give me a hard time, I have a nmber of work orders
where noises are mentioend and un resolved… if it wasn’t for how fun this
car is, I would have sold it already and used the e-type as a daily
driver… the fact is that, in the past 2 years, despite doing more miles
(and harder miles too with a lot of track) the e-type has spent less time in
the shop although in all fairness to Jaguar most cases were because of the
dealer’s inability to fix things. If they can plug in a computer, pull a
code and swap a part fine. but modern mecha… sorry… technicians… lack
basic troubleshooting skills when it comes to noises, intermittent problems,
etc…

If I ever get rid of the R, I will never buy a new car again. never.
When i do the math, over the past 4 years, the E-type has cost me far less
than the R. even with maintenance done under warranty, the 40k depreciation
would have more than paid for a nice V12 rebuilt…

oh well you learn… that’s why I now live on a boat that’s the same
vintage as my E-type…

:slight_smile:

Pascal----- Original Message -----
From: “Steven Weinstein” srw_jags@yahoo.com
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Catastrophy strikes! Help!!

In reply to a message from Pascal Gademer sent Thu 4 Dec 2003:

Pascal,

Sorry to hear about the XKR! Since my input on things mechanical
has now been deemed utterly worthless, I’ll stick to things I do
know. If the dealership gives you a hard time about the warranty –
I’d be surprised if they do – don’t waste time letting them deal
with the Region. (They will tell you they are working with the
Regional rep and will try to work something out to accommodate
you. Then they’ll come back and tell you how much it’s going to
cost you, less a ‘‘courtesy discount’’ because you are a good
customer.)

Go directly to the Regional rep yourself. If necessary, go
directly to the national customer relations office. Be nice, but
be insistant and remind everyone you speak to how involved you are
with Jaguar cars. You own too many Jags for them not to be your
best friend. If all else fails and they say ‘‘too bad’’, we’ll sue
the b*stards. Do you know if anyone else has experienced this kind
of failure? I smell a class action. :wink:

Let us know how it goes.

Steve Weinstein, Esq.

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well this morning, I start hearing a slight groan… worst under load
which

within 2 miles became louder then kaboum! finshed my commute walking,
dealer is sending a flatbed… feels like something is being chewed
between

the gears…
they’d better not give me a hard time about beeing a week out of
warranty

since I had made the appointment while under warranty…
Pascal

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Pascal,

Sorry to hear of the difficulties. I am right with you on new cars –
never owned one myself. Given the depreciation, even with
higher maintenance costs, it’s way cheaper to have a
slightly old car. For example, I just bought a 1998 BMW M3
convertible! Good luck with your dealer…

Jerry

Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC “Laissez les bons temps rouler!”
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April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004----- Original Message -----
From: “Pascal Gademer” pascal@jcna.com
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 7:51 AM
Subject: [E-Type] New Vs Classic… was Catastrophy strikes! Help!!

oh gee… attorney talking :slight_smile:

I dont think they’ll give me a hard time, I have a nmber of work orders
where noises are mentioend and un resolved… if it wasn’t for how fun
this
car is, I would have sold it already and used the e-type as a daily
driver… the fact is that, in the past 2 years, despite doing more miles
(and harder miles too with a lot of track) the e-type has spent less time
in
the shop although in all fairness to Jaguar most cases were because of the
dealer’s inability to fix things. If they can plug in a computer, pull a
code and swap a part fine. but modern mecha… sorry… technicians…
lack
basic troubleshooting skills when it comes to noises, intermittent
problems,
etc…

If I ever get rid of the R, I will never buy a new car again. never.
When i do the math, over the past 4 years, the E-type has cost me far less
than the R. even with maintenance done under warranty, the 40k
depreciation
would have more than paid for a nice V12 rebuilt…

oh well you learn… that’s why I now live on a boat that’s the same
vintage as my E-type…

:slight_smile:

Pascal

----- Original Message -----
From: “Steven Weinstein” srw_jags@yahoo.com
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Catastrophy strikes! Help!!

In reply to a message from Pascal Gademer sent Thu 4 Dec 2003:

Pascal,

Sorry to hear about the XKR! Since my input on things mechanical
has now been deemed utterly worthless, I’ll stick to things I do
know. If the dealership gives you a hard time about the warranty –
I’d be surprised if they do – don’t waste time letting them deal
with the Region. (They will tell you they are working with the
Regional rep and will try to work something out to accommodate
you. Then they’ll come back and tell you how much it’s going to
cost you, less a ‘‘courtesy discount’’ because you are a good
customer.)

Go directly to the Regional rep yourself. If necessary, go
directly to the national customer relations office. Be nice, but
be insistant and remind everyone you speak to how involved you are
with Jaguar cars. You own too many Jags for them not to be your
best friend. If all else fails and they say ‘‘too bad’’, we’ll sue
the b*stards. Do you know if anyone else has experienced this kind
of failure? I smell a class action. :wink:

Let us know how it goes.

Steve Weinstein, Esq.

The original message included these comments:

well this morning, I start hearing a slight groan… worst under load
which

within 2 miles became louder then kaboum! finshed my commute walking,
dealer is sending a flatbed… feels like something is being chewed
between

the gears…
they’d better not give me a hard time about beeing a week out of
warranty

since I had made the appointment while under warranty…
Pascal

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In reply to a message from Jerry Mouton sent Thu 4 Dec 2003:

Pascal and Jerry,

I’m right with you guys on this. Last year, I bought a 1999 Lexus
RX300 SUV to use as a daily driver, haul my sailboat, lug sh*t
around. I paid about 55% of the original sticker price, the car
had only 17K miles on it, and they threw in a 5 year, 100K warranty
to boot (better than the original new car warranty).

I think you have the right idea Pascal. Your E-type is
exceptional, and I love that you drive the heck out of it. I’m
champing at the bit to drop a 5-spd in mine, like you have in
yours. But that will wait until the engine needs pulling and
rebuilding (which I think is coming soon).

I represent a number of automobile dealerships. The biggest single
problem they have, next to attracting customers through the door,
is finding experienced, qualified techs. Not surprising that they
couldn’t find the problem with the rear end. If the onboard
computer doesn’t tell them what the problem is, or if it is
something that is not simply ‘‘plug and play’’ to fix, they don’t
want to be bothered diagnosing and fixing because their shop rates
won’t cover the real time involved, especially under warranty. Now
that you have a total failure, they can simply order you a new rear
end, slap it in, and make money doing it. It’s the same reason
they don’t want to work on older cars. The book rates for most
jobs don’t cover the real time involved. They’d rather do oil
changes and ‘‘tune ups’’ all day. Such is the state of auto dealer
shops these days.

Enough of that. Let us know what happens with the R. In the
meantime, enjoy using the E-type as your daily driver (mandatory E
content satisfied).

Regards,
Steve–
The original message included these comments:

Pascal,
Sorry to hear of the difficulties. I am right with you on new cars –
never owned one myself. Given the depreciation, even with
higher maintenance costs, it’s way cheaper to have a
slightly old car. For example, I just bought a 1998 BMW M3
convertible! Good luck with your dealer…
Jerry
Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC ‘‘Laissez les bons temps rouler!’’

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