[E-Type] Numbers & letters on bonnets

Still completely new to the british car thing…but willing to
learn.

Whats the letter & number stickers on the bonnets of some E’s I see
in photos? Whats the history & reason behind them?

-Pinter–
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New Jersey, United States
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In reply to a message from Pinter sent Wed 24 Aug 2011:

That’s the registration number - still a legal requirement to have
them front and rear in most countries!–
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In reply to a message from Pinter sent Wed 24 Aug 2011:

Hi Pinter

The numbers/letters on bonnets on UK cars are the vehicle
registration, a UK mandatory requirement. The car also
displays the same number at the rear.

There has been much debate over the years as to the legally
correct location for the front plate as the law demands
something like, ‘‘horizontal and at 90 degree’s to the
vehicle surface’’ or some such. This is difficult to achieve
without some compromise to the radiator air flow. Most
police now generally leave well alone.

The plate prior to 1961 would indicate what region in the
country the car was first registered and post '61 provided
an indication within 12 months of when the vehicle was
registered as well as where.

The general principle has remained from '61 to today.

Regards
Pat–
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Still completely new to the british car thing…but willing to
learn.
Whats the letter & number stickers on the bonnets of some E’s I see
in photos? Whats the history & reason behind them?


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In reply to a message from 600 sent Wed 24 Aug 2011:

Pat

Road Vehicles (Display of Registration Marks) Regulations
2001 state:

‘’(3) This paragraph requires the plate to be fixed�

(a)vertically or, where that is not reasonably practicable,
in a position as close to the vertical as is reasonably
practicable,’’

E-Type is covered under the legislation as the front number
plate on the bonnet is as close to the vertical as is
reasonably practicable. Interestingly there is one vehicle
which is allowed on UK roads without a front number plate
having being given special dispensation - the Ferrari Enzo -
as there is absolutely nowhere to put the plate!

Regards

David–
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There has been much debate over the years as to the legally
correct location for the front plate as the law demands
something like, ‘‘horizontal and at 90 degree’s to the
vehicle surface’’ or some such. This is difficult to achieve
without some compromise to the radiator air flow. Most
police now generally leave well alone.


David Jones, S1 OTS
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In reply to a message from Heuer sent Wed 24 Aug 2011:

And in the US…

Many States require a front license plate, which is the same item.
Jaguar provided us with a neat swivelling front plate holder that
really uglifies the front of the car and blocks off a significant
portion of the cooling airflow. As a result many of us just left
it off.

JCNA requires this holder, but since not all states require a
plate, it’s OK to display it with the car, if the two holes in the
lower lip are not there and the slot for the swivel rod is plugged
with a rubber plug, as in the original, part number BD.20989.

I keep mine in a zip-lok bag ready to show, and the license plate
with it. I’ve never been stopped (front plates are required here)
but if I were I’d show the plate and plead ‘‘no way to mount’’.
Nowadays technology is more and more reading plates digitally, and
so I’d expect more and more problems doing this.

Wonder why more Brits don’t use this clunky holder to mount a
vertical number plate? Never mind… ; -)

Jerry–
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In reply to a message from Heuer sent Wed 24 Aug 2011:

Hi David

Thanks for the update, but I am sure I recall from both the
JDC and JEC letters of complaint and explanation regarding
heavy handed policing of number plates fitted to E’s in the
past.

Maybe life has moved on for all and it is no longer the issue
they once thought it was.

Regards
Pat–
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E-Type is covered under the legislation as the front number
plate on the bonnet is as close to the vertical as is
reasonably practicable. Interestingly there is one vehicle


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In reply to a message from Tim Roberts sent Wed 24 Aug 2011:

Another question for U.K.listers;
Does that same registration number stay with the car
if it is sold to a new owner–in the U.K. ??
In the U.S.–( Pa.)a new plate number is always issued
to a new owner.
Was just wondering–

Sal--

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In reply to a message from Pinter sent Wed 24 Aug 2011:
That’s the registration number - still a legal requirement to have
them front and rear in most countries!


Sal Parisi
Roslyn,Pa., United States
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In reply to a message from 70 Roadster sent Wed 24 Aug 2011:

Sal,

Within California though when a car changes hands the plate goes
with it.

Jerry–
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In reply to a message from 70 Roadster sent Wed 24 Aug 2011:

In England the registration stays with the car although the
seller can choose to retain it, at their cost. The purchaser
can stick with that registration or buy one of their liking,
again at their cost.
Dave–
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Another question for U.K.listers;
Does that same registration number stay with the car
if it is sold to a new owner–in the U.K. ??


'63 OTS 879419 Cornwall England
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In reply to a message from 600 sent Wed 24 Aug 2011:

Pat

The JDC (or JEC) did write to the DVLA to seek clarification
on the subject and were told the E-Type number plate was not
a problem because a) it complied with the wording of the
legislation, b) the number plate is visible and can be read
by cameras/APNR systems and c) it has been ‘custom and
practice’ for 50 years. I have never heard of any E-Type
owner who has been stopped for suspected front number plate
infringement but if you are simply be polite and suggest the
officer checks with the DVLA.

The Lotus Elan is another anomaly as the registration
characters are directly fixed to the front grille (no
backing plate) however it is so deep inside the nose you
can’t actually read the number if you (or the camera :wink: )
are more than 6’ tall!

It is illegal to fit square number plates (two lines of
characters) on the front of the car as seem on many
Mitsubishi rice rockets simply because the SPECS type speed
cameras cannot read the two lines of text. But then again as
long as you change lanes between camera pairs they can’t get
you either!

Regards

David–
The original message included these comments:

Thanks for the update, but I am sure I recall from both the
JDC and JEC letters of complaint and explanation regarding
heavy handed policing of number plates fitted to E’s in the
past.


David Jones, S1 OTS
Nottingham, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from mouton sent Wed 24 Aug 2011:

Jerry wrote;
‘‘Many States require a front license plate, which is the same item.
Jaguar provided us with a neat swivelling front plate holder that
really uglifies the front of the car and blocks off a significant
portion of the cooling airflow. As a result many of us just left
it off.’’.

See my solution of this problem.
I agree, it is still uglifying the front, but
-obstructing the airflow to a minimum,
-leaving the original plate holder undamaged and…
-all legal.

I hope the picture can be opened, had troubles in opening my e-mail
so could not find the link.
http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=1315129302--
Ruud, OTS 1968, Netherlands
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In reply to a message from Saltwell sent Sun 4 Sep 2011:

Hi Ruud,

Can you post more detail on the fixing of the plate; I’m about to
install mine next month after paintjob is finished.

Personally I never liked the Britisch stick-on number plate as I
think it’s a blemish on the long slik bonnet.

Perhaps you going to Spa, Belgium september 24, If so, I can take a
look.
Many thanks.

Richard van den Brand
's-Heer Arendskerke–
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In reply to a message from mouton sent Wed 24 Aug 2011:
Jerry wrote;
‘‘Many States require a front license plate, which is the same item.
Jaguar provided us with a neat swivelling front plate holder that
really uglifies the front of the car and blocks off a significant
portion of the cooling airflow. As a result many of us just left
it off.’’.
See my solution of this problem.
I agree, it is still uglifying the front, but
-obstructing the airflow to a minimum,
-leaving the original plate holder undamaged and…


E-type Series II RHD 2+2 1969 http://www.richardbrand.nl
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Wow, what a huge target for a radar gun.
(Errr, not implying anything, you understand)
LLoyd

My driveway is long enough that you can appreciate the conflict between the desire for privacy and the terror of being completely lost .----- Original Message -----
See my solution of this problem.
I agree, it is still uglifying the front, but
-obstructing the airflow to a minimum,
-leaving the original plate holder undamaged and…
-all legal.

I hope the picture can be opened, had troubles in opening my e-mail
so could not find the link.
http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=1315129302


Ruud, OTS 1968, Netherlands


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In reply to a message from soothsayer1@comcast.net sent Sun 4 Sep 2011:

Lloyd wrote:
‘‘Wow, what a huge target for a radar gun.
(Errr, not implying anything, you understand)
LLoyd’’

I understand Lloyd, but sarcasm is not the best way to encourage
people sending their solutions to the forum.–
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Wow, what a huge target for a radar gun.
(Errr, not implying anything, you understand)
LLoyd


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In reply to a message from Saltwell sent Sun 4 Sep 2011:

Ruud,

From Lloyd, that’s not sarcasm; that’s meant to be humor ; -)

(THAT’s sarcasm!)

Jerry–
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Lloyd wrote:
‘‘Wow, what a huge target for a radar gun.
(Errr, not implying anything, you understand)
LLoyd’’
I understand Lloyd, but sarcasm is not the best way to encourage
people sending their solutions to the forum.


Jerry Mouton '64 FHC 889791 ‘MIK Jaguar’
Palo Alto, California, United States
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In reply to a message from mouton sent Sun 4 Sep 2011:

Jerry, that’s got to be one of the best posts yet.

Bruce–
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In reply to a message from Saltwell sent Sun 4 Sep 2011:
Ruud,

From Lloyd, that’s not sarcasm; that’s meant to be humor ; -)
(THAT’s sarcasm!)
Jerry

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Lloyd wrote:
‘‘Wow, what a huge target for a radar gun.
(Errr, not implying anything, you understand)
LLoyd’’


Bruce Harless, '64 S1 ots
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