[E-Type] price on 70 Etype conv

I just looked today at a 1970 XKE conv. which has been stored in a
rental stall for about 5 years. The owner started it up for me and
it seemed to run fine. He said it hasn’t been on the road for about
5 yrs as the brake master cyl needs repair. The paint is faded
(sort of a very pale green) so it could use a paint job,but not
mandatory for a driver. The seat leather should be replaced, but
the rest of the interior looks quite good. I could see only a very
slight amout of rust under the bonnett–I-checked the bottom of the
doors and there was no rust. He said the floorboards and trunk
bottom were not rusted, but I did not check. The chrome is
discolered but I think it would shine up.All the guages on the dash
worked OK and about 50lbs oil pressure. He indicated that he would
take about $17,000. Is this price reasonable? He feels that it
between a 3 and a 4 catagory.

How much would it cost to paint this car?
How much to rechrome the bright parts?
How much do you think it would cost total to bring the car up to
show quality?–
Quent Brown 68Jag fhc
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In reply to a message from Quent 68fhc sent Thu 15 Jan 2004:

Quent,
How much you spend on paint depends on how much you do
yourself, and what result you hope to get. Assuming the body is
straight, you can get it painted for a few thousand, and make it
quite presentable. If you want it to be really perfect, figure $7-
10K, plus any necessary bodywork, which can run that way up in a
big hurry. If you do most of the labor yourself, you can get a
beautiful paint job for $3-5K, and several hundred hours of boring,
unpleasant, tedious, hard physical labor.
Chrome cost will be several thousand as well, to do it right.
Others here can give you current costs. My guess would be another
$3-5K. Interior too will be a couple thousand for the materials,
and a couple thousand or a couple hundred hours of your time to
install it.
Bringing it up to ‘‘show quality’’? If, by that, you mean a
councours winner, figure $30-70K, again depending on whether you do
most of the work yourself. If you mean a really nice driver,
considerable less.
You have to kinda figure this cars been parked for five years
for a reason, likely not just the brakes. It will most likely need
at least a few thousand in minor repairs you won’t see until you
get it home. The cosmetic work can get real expensive real fast,
unless you can do most of it yourself.
It sounds like a good car to turn into a nice driver, over
time. If you really want it to be a show winner, that means
spending a whole lotta money for a ground-up restoration, and
really can’t be done quickly or inexpensively.
Very first thing you need to do in any case is replace every
single bit of rubber on the whole car, starting with the tires, no
matter what they look like.–
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How much would it cost to paint this car?
How much to rechrome the bright parts?
How much do you think it would cost total to bring the car up to
show quality?

Quent Brown 68Jag fhc


Ray Livingston - '64 OTS Santa Cruz, CA
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In a message dated 1/15/04 2:37:03 PM Pacific Standard Time,
itsmequent@AOL.COM writes:

<<
How much would it cost to paint this car?
How much to rechrome the bright parts?
How much do you think it would cost total to bring the car up to
show quality?

I recently paid $15 for an S1 OTS which was relatively complete but
disassembled.

I would plan on $7,000 to paint it without any major bodywork.
I would count on $4000 for chrome
Depends on what’s wrong with it!

Mike Moore

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In a message dated 1/15/04 3:03:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rayl@atc.creative.com writes:

<< If you want it to be really perfect, figure $7-
10K, plus any necessary bodywork, which can run that way up in a
big hurry. If you do most of the labor yourself, you can get a
beautiful paint job for $3-5K, >>

I wish I’d said that! :slight_smile:

Mike Moore

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In reply to a message from MMoore8425@AOL.COM sent Fri 16 Jan 2004:

Mike,
Yeah, and I wish I’d just paid only $15 for a SI OTS, like you
said you did! :-)–
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10K, plus any necessary bodywork, which can run that way up in a
big hurry. If you do most of the labor yourself, you can get a
beautiful paint job for $3-5K, >>
I wish I’d said that! :slight_smile:
Mike Moore


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In a message dated 1/15/04 3:23:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rayl@atc.creative.com writes:

<< Yeah, and I wish I’d just paid only $15 for a SI OTS, like you
said you did! :slight_smile: >>

Aaah yes-I take your point. I was trying to save bandwidth I guess by
abreviating $15,000.00

Best, Mike Moore

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In reply to a message from MMoore8425@AOL.COM sent Fri 16 Jan 2004:

mikeifyoureallywanttosavebandwidthusealllowercaselettersandnospaceso
rpunctuation–
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said you did! :slight_smile: >>
Aaah yes-I take your point. I was trying to save bandwidth I guess by
abreviating $15,000.00
Best, Mike Moore


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MMoore8425@AOL.COM wrote:

In a message dated 1/15/04 3:23:50 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rayl@atc.creative.com writes:

<< Yeah, and I wish I’d just paid only $15 for a SI OTS, like you
said you did! :slight_smile: >>

Aaah yes-I take your point. I was trying to save bandwidth I guess by
abreviating $15,000.00

Had me worried there for a minute. I thought I had overpaid for mine!
$13,000 with a new uninstalled OSJI interior kit thrown in. Bought it
in 1995 and got it on the road in 2000.

George Cohn
'70 OTS

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In reply to a message from Quent 68fhc sent Thu 15 Jan 2004:

quent,
The price seems resonable. Ray is right on on the cost estimates.
If you do all the work youself you can get a real nice car (driver)
for 10-12K., if you have it done you can figure about $30.00 per
pound. Chrome should be about 2500.
Chuck–
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How much do you think it would cost total to bring the car up to
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CHUCK123
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In a message dated 1/15/04 4:56:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gwcohn@bblabs.net writes:

<< >
Had me worried there for a minute. I thought I had overpaid for mine!
$13,000 with a new uninstalled OSJI interior kit thrown in. Bought it
in 1995 and got it on the road in 2000.

I paid $12,000 for my 63 with uninstalled OSJI interior in 1998. Completed in
2002
I paid $15,000 for 64 with uninstalled OSJI interior in 03. Expect to
complete this fall
The 64 car is really a better car bodywise, but is missing numerous things.

Best Regards, MIke Moore

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In reply to a message from MMoore8425@AOL.COM sent Fri 16 Jan 2004:

Mike/George,
So what is it about OSJI interior kits that makes so many
people buy them, then sell the cars before installing them?–
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gwcohn@bblabs.net writes:

Had me worried there for a minute. I thought I had overpaid for mine!
$13,000 with a new uninstalled OSJI interior kit thrown in. Bought it
in 1995 and got it on the road in 2000.

I paid $12,000 for my 63 with uninstalled OSJI interior in 1998. Completed in
2002
I paid $15,000 for 64 with uninstalled OSJI interior in 03. Expect to
complete this fall
Best Regards, MIke Moore


Ray Livingston - '64 OTS Santa Cruz, CA
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MMoore8425@AOL.COM wrote:

In a message dated 1/15/04 4:56:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
@George_Cohn2 writes:

<< >
Had me worried there for a minute. I thought I had overpaid for mine!
$13,000 with a new uninstalled OSJI interior kit thrown in. Bought it
in 1995 and got it on the road in 2000.

I paid $12,000 for my 63 with uninstalled OSJI interior in 1998. Completed in
2002
I paid $15,000 for 64 with uninstalled OSJI interior in 03. Expect to
complete this fall
The 64 car is really a better car bodywise, but is missing numerous things.

My car was “complete” but had been partially disassembled.

Not sure exactly what I paid for parts to complete it but it must have
been around $5,000. At least it was a “rust free” Arizona car. Only
had to replace the sunken floor pans as they had collected water over
the years and rusted out. The included parts also included a new
Robbins top and a new hood envelope.

I figure that I have in it about what it is worth. Originally I had
thought about making it a concours queen but after going to a few
concours and talking to folks, I decided I would be satisfied if it was
a good reliable driver. I thought I might have paid too much for it at
first. At the time, I kept seeing “drivers” in Hemmings for around
$16,000 but then we know that many drivers are just disguised parts cars
once you get the bondo off.

Along the way I found a good set of triple SU’s and also later switched
to Dayton 6 inch wide tubeless wires. I also found a good factory
hardtop (missing rear chrome) for $600. I figure the whole project has
been cheaper than therapy! :wink:

George Cohn
'70 OTS

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Ray Livingston wrote:

In reply to a message from MMoore8425@AOL.COM sent Fri 16 Jan 2004:

Mike/George,
So what is it about OSJI interior kits that makes so many
people buy them, then sell the cars before installing them?

My car was previously owned by a shop that was going to make a killing
in e-types around 1989. And we know what happened to the market then!
They were happy to cut their losses and give me the stuff they had
bought to restore it.

George Cohn
'70 OTS

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I got my mess of a 63 FHC in driving but beat shape for $6800 in 2001,
it have
much of an interior or body for that matter but ran and drove. Seemed
like a good
deal at the time but I have put probably $10K in the body alone so far.

Thanks
bill

George Cohn wrote:

MMoore8425@AOL.COM wrote:

In a message dated 1/15/04 4:56:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gwcohn@bblabs.net writes:

<< >
Had me worried there for a minute. I thought I had overpaid for
mine! $13,000 with a new uninstalled OSJI interior kit thrown in.
Bought it in 1995 and got it on the road in 2000.

I paid $12,000 for my 63 with uninstalled OSJI interior in 1998.
Completed in 2002
I paid $15,000 for 64 with uninstalled OSJI interior in 03. Expect to
complete this fall
The 64 car is really a better car bodywise, but is missing numerous
things.

My car was “complete” but had been partially disassembled.

Not sure exactly what I paid for parts to complete it but it must have
been around $5,000. At least it was a “rust free” Arizona car. Only
had to replace the sunken floor pans as they had collected water over
the years and rusted out. The included parts also included a new
Robbins top and a new hood envelope.

I figure that I have in it about what it is worth. Originally I had
thought about making it a concours queen but after going to a few
concours and talking to folks, I decided I would be satisfied if it
was a good reliable driver. I thought I might have paid too much for
it at first. At the time, I kept seeing “drivers” in Hemmings for
around $16,000 but then we know that many drivers are just disguised
parts cars once you get the bondo off.

Along the way I found a good set of triple SU’s and also later
switched to Dayton 6 inch wide tubeless wires. I also found a good
factory hardtop (missing rear chrome) for $600. I figure the whole
project has been cheaper than therapy! :wink:

George Cohn
'70 OTS

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Bill McKenna wrote:

I got my mess of a 63 FHC in driving but beat shape for $6800 in 2001,
it have
much of an interior or body for that matter but ran and drove. Seemed
like a good
deal at the time but I have put probably $10K in the body alone so far.

Yep, with everything I have spent on it thus far, I estimate around $20

  • $22K. It will never be perfect but I have fun driving it. I could
    easily spend another $5K on it to make it nicer but it doesn’t look like
    a beater anymore and is solid mechanically.

My time in it has to be close to 2,000 hours. If I were paying for that
time, it would be close to $100,000…Original MSRP was $5,600.

Last time I looked, good solid S2 OTS’s were around $26 - $32K.

George Cohn
'70 OTS

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In a message dated 1/15/04 5:57:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rayl@atc.creative.com writes:

<<
Mike/George,
So what is it about OSJI interior kits that makes so many
people buy them, then sell the cars before installing them?

I think its because they’re on sale sometimes at a great discount. Both of my
kits were wrong for the cars, but OSJI stood behind them.

Best, Mike Moore

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In reply to a message from George Cohn sent Fri 16 Jan 2004:

Priscilla cost me $14K with her hard top. She needs a repaint, some
body work, chrome redone and a new interior-and the usual rubber
seals to be a really nice driver. Right now she is just an old car.
Mechanically she probably needs a new clutch, valves adjusted (head
was redone within 5k miles), and a few other sorting outs.

I figured that $10-12k (on top of my work) will probably get me
the car that I want to drive out of her. Of course, the old
renovation rule of ‘‘multiply your estimate by two and add ten
percent’’ will probably creep in to that number…

Bob–
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Series 2s were a little more than that – a little over $6,000 as indicated
in R&T June 1969, where price as tested was $6495 (with A/C)

Just to put things in perspective, the Bureau of Labor Statistics
inflation calculator says $6,000 in 1969 bought what $30,081.74
will buy today. So a good S2 has just about held value steady
over 35 years…

http://www.bls.gov/

And
Jerry Mouton '64 E Type FHC “Laissez les bons temps rouler!”
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April 15, 2004 - July 4, 2004----- Original Message -----
From: “George Cohn” gwcohn@bblabs.net
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] price on 70 Etype conv.

Bill McKenna wrote:

I got my mess of a 63 FHC in driving but beat shape for $6800 in 2001,
it have
much of an interior or body for that matter but ran and drove. Seemed
like a good
deal at the time but I have put probably $10K in the body alone so far.

Yep, with everything I have spent on it thus far, I estimate around $20

  • $22K. It will never be perfect but I have fun driving it. I could
    easily spend another $5K on it to make it nicer but it doesn’t look like
    a beater anymore and is solid mechanically.

My time in it has to be close to 2,000 hours. If I were paying for that
time, it would be close to $100,000…Original MSRP was $5,600.

Last time I looked, good solid S2 OTS’s were around $26 - $32K.

George Cohn
'70 OTS

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Jerry Mouton wrote:

Series 2s were a little more than that – a little over $6,000 as indicated
in R&T June 1969, where price as tested was $6495 (with A/C)

Just to put things in perspective, the Bureau of Labor Statistics
inflation calculator says $6,000 in 1969 bought what $30,081.74
will buy today. So a good S2 has just about held value steady
over 35 years…

Jerry, I’m not sure where any of these prices come from but I’m looking
at my title to my '70 OTS and it says the factory list price was $5,534.
I’m assuming that the as tested price is with any options like the A/C,
fancier radios, etc.

Just for comparison, the factory list price on my '73 240Z is $4,210 and
I paid $4,421.77 for it, got the original receipt in my hand.

But how’s this for a shocker, the factory list price for my '74 260Z is
$5,665. That’s up $1,244 dollars from the previous years model and
$131 more than the '70 OTS cost. These prices are on my Arizona titles
so I’m assuming they came from some official dealer price lists.

Jeez, I wish the 260Z was worth what the e-type is… :wink:

George Cohn
'70 OTS
'73 240Z
'74 260Z

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In reply to a message from George Cohn sent Sat 17 Jan 2004:

Goerge,

Yours must have been an East Coast car because the West coast cars
were $50 more! ($5,584). I have an original 1970 price list that I
acquired recently with a 1970 sales brochure. Listen to this: A/C
was $482, Sundym glass, whitewall tars and chrome spokes were $30,
$27 & $165 respectively (I think all S2 US cars came with this
anyhow), and hardtop was $180 (eat our hearts out!). The
interesting thing is they list two factory-installed AM/FM radio
options – one with a power antenna! Never seen one of those.

Richard Liggitt–
'70 E Roadster, '98 XK8 Roadster, '02 Mini Cooper
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