[E-Type] Re: It's all in the rear end.... Terminal speed of E types

Hey thanks John!
Great to have that question answered. I think the top end trade off is
worth it, the acceleration is just too much fun, and for sure it would pull
well past redline in 4th but I never ran it past redline. One day maybe dad
will get her back on the road, if not then I’ll probably be the one to do it
(gladly). And I guess instead of hunting down hot chevelles and mustangs
I’ll be hunting civics and celicas!
Bill Smith----- Original Message -----
From: “Duhig, John F” jduhig@tycoelectronics.com
To: <@bill_smith>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:20 PM
Subject: It’s all in the rear end… Terminal speed of E types

Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:04:52 -0500
From: “bill smith” <@bill_smith>
Subject: [E-Type] Speaking of speed… and gear ratios

Jerry or Anyone,
Please indulge me a basic math question here. I always wondered about my
dads e-type… it redlined in 4th gear at 110mph or so. Third would go to
about 90 or 95. I always heard e-types would top out around 130 or 140
depending on gear ratio. But this car would go straight to 110 with no
waiting and hit redline. I did suprise quite a few hot chevys and fords
through quarter miles and never lost one. And on many occasions would have
to open the bonnet to prove that it was “only a six cylinder”. Some of
them
would see that awesome triple carb twin cam engine and still think it was
a
twelve. Also, I had a '71 Mach1 with the hi-po 351 cleveland, posi etc…
and the jag would walk off and leave it to 110mph. This e-type is a
regular
factory car, at least I know the guy who bought it new (to drive it on his
honeymoon), and he never changed anything. I haven’t looked at the rear
end
to check the id tag, but I thought some of you might have the same
experience. I was always sort of dissapointed that it wouldn’t run 140mph,
although I know now It was a blessing in disguise. Still have the car
btw…
45k miles on the clock.
Bill Smith

Bill,

It is all very simple. Your father’s car has the “American market” 3.54
rear
end.

There were three rear axle ratios available for Es (I won’t go into years
and model types) but generally they were:

Early US market and Europe option 3.31 (my 62 has
this)
US market later S1 and S2 3.54
Euro ratio 3.07

To get the mystical (mythical?) 150mph, you need the 3.07 and “tall”
tyres.

The 3.54 limits the top speed but provided what was perceived by Jag to be
the requirement for the US market, good acceleration (as you’ve already
noted!)

I like my 3.31 as it provides good acceleration, reasonable speed (I can
confirm that it will show over 110 on the speedometer but I’m not saying
where or when…) but is not too high an engine speed when on a freeway.
However, I do agree that it could pull a higher gear as there is
sufficient
power to do this.

Many of the list members have changed from the 3.54 as it makes for
“fussy”
cruising with high engine revs at highway speeds. However, if you intend
autocrossing, racing, etc., you’ll probably find it a good ratio.

The ideal is probably to go with an overdrive, 5 speed gearbox and several
people on the list have done this as well, but it costs. OF course, you
end
up with the same acceleration that you have now plus higher top
speed/quieter cruising.

There are others that will fit but these were the ones supplied with Es.

It is all in the specifications.

Regards,
John Duhig (62 OTS)

~ Great to have that question answered. I think the top end
~ trade off is worth it, the acceleration is just too much fun,
~ and for sure it would pull well past redline in 4th but I
~ never ran it past redline.

The XK is not a motor to play around with going past redline in stock
form. Big long-stroke motors and high revs only really excites the
engine rebuilders out there!

Roger Los

Hi Gang,

I’ve had a genuine 140mph out of my standard UK spec series 2 FHC on original
185/15 SP Sports, and 3.07:1 ratio. I know it was genuine, because the speed
was checked while driving with another (modern) fast car back in the 80’s.
I’d imagine a healthy series 1 with the wind behind it would do near 150 all
out. I’ve never had much time for the stoplight grand prix to be honest, top
end is much more fun :sunglasses:

cheers,

Saul Chaplin
www.britishautowood.com

In a message dated 11/9/01 10:27:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Chaplin696@aol.com writes:

I’ve never had much time for the stoplight grand prix to be honest, top
end is much more fun :sunglasses:

The 3.07 wasn’t designed for the stop light Grand Prix, which is one reason
America soon got the 3.54, which isn’t really all that much better. But
whatever we lose on jackrabbit starts we more than make up as soon as we get
up a little in revs! Top end IS so much more fun, you’re right there!

Warren

I really don’t get those kid trying to hot rod a 1.6 or if lucky 1.8l 4C
engine !!! :slight_smile:

Alain----- Original Message -----
From: “bill smith” sas1@alltel.net
To: “Duhig, John F” jduhig@tycoelectronics.com; e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:49 PM
Subject: [E-Type] Re: It’s all in the rear end… Terminal speed of E types

Hey thanks John!
Great to have that question answered. I think the top end trade off is
worth it, the acceleration is just too much fun, and for sure it would
pull
well past redline in 4th but I never ran it past redline. One day maybe
dad
will get her back on the road, if not then I’ll probably be the one to do
it
(gladly). And I guess instead of hunting down hot chevelles and mustangs
I’ll be hunting civics and celicas!
Bill Smith

----- Original Message -----
From: “Duhig, John F” jduhig@tycoelectronics.com
To: sas1@alltel.net
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 3:20 PM
Subject: It’s all in the rear end… Terminal speed of E types

Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:04:52 -0500
From: “bill smith” sas1@alltel.net
Subject: [E-Type] Speaking of speed… and gear ratios

Jerry or Anyone,
Please indulge me a basic math question here. I always wondered about my
dads e-type… it redlined in 4th gear at 110mph or so. Third would go
to

about 90 or 95. I always heard e-types would top out around 130 or 140
depending on gear ratio. But this car would go straight to 110 with no
waiting and hit redline. I did suprise quite a few hot chevys and fords
through quarter miles and never lost one. And on many occasions would
have

to open the bonnet to prove that it was “only a six cylinder”. Some of
them
would see that awesome triple carb twin cam engine and still think it
was
a

twelve. Also, I had a '71 Mach1 with the hi-po 351 cleveland, posi
etc…

and the jag would walk off and leave it to 110mph. This e-type is a
regular
factory car, at least I know the guy who bought it new (to drive it on
his

honeymoon), and he never changed anything. I haven’t looked at the rear
end
to check the id tag, but I thought some of you might have the same
experience. I was always sort of dissapointed that it wouldn’t run
140mph,

although I know now It was a blessing in disguise. Still have the car
btw…
45k miles on the clock.
Bill Smith

Bill,

It is all very simple. Your father’s car has the “American market” 3.54
rear
end.

There were three rear axle ratios available for Es (I won’t go into
years

and model types) but generally they were:

Early US market and Europe option 3.31 (my 62 has
this)
US market later S1 and S2 3.54
Euro ratio 3.07

To get the mystical (mythical?) 150mph, you need the 3.07 and “tall”
tyres.

The 3.54 limits the top speed but provided what was perceived by Jag to
be

the requirement for the US market, good acceleration (as you’ve already
noted!)

I like my 3.31 as it provides good acceleration, reasonable speed (I can
confirm that it will show over 110 on the speedometer but I’m not saying
where or when…) but is not too high an engine speed when on a
freeway.

However, I do agree that it could pull a higher gear as there is
sufficient
power to do this.

Many of the list members have changed from the 3.54 as it makes for
“fussy”
cruising with high engine revs at highway speeds. However, if you intend
autocrossing, racing, etc., you’ll probably find it a good ratio.

The ideal is probably to go with an overdrive, 5 speed gearbox and
several

people on the list have done this as well, but it costs. OF course, you
end
up with the same acceleration that you have now plus higher top
speed/quieter cruising.

There are others that will fit but these were the ones supplied with Es.

It is all in the specifications.

Regards,
John Duhig (62 OTS)

Alain,
Although “BIG” torque engines were always my cup of tea, so to speak,
you can’t overlook the seriousness of some of these little 4 bangers.
Some of these so called ricers are pulling well over 200hp. The TT that
has been in discussion here is turbocharged and in stock form is 180hp.
There is a an upgraded model, same engine, with 225hp. Our Es were
rated at 265hp but all agree that its significantly less. Some
publications state 240 but those freindly with the dyno shops say its
closer to 200. I hate the sound of the 4 bangers on the streets, the
kids want to put a tail pipe on there that is the size of a 55 gallon
drum and most are all show and no go. But with today’s technology some
of these things are serious machines. All while weighing probably half
as much (the engine), getting at least half again better gas mileage and
much more friendly to our environment. All that said I think I’ll go
take the E out for a drive :slight_smile:
pauls 67ots

E types

I really don’t get those kid trying to hot rod a 1.6 or if lucky 1.8l 4C
engine !!! :slight_smile:

Alain
<<<<<<<<<<From: “Alain Pascal Routhier” Alainrouthier@sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Re: It’s all in the rear end… Terminal speed of

Hi Paul,

That is a great statement after all of the head trouble this year, hope it
is running well. At least you get some non winter driving still.

Rick Lees
71 SIII 2+2

All that said I think I’ll go
take the E out for a drive :slight_smile:
pauls 67ots

Thanks Rick,
It was a nice day yesterday wasn’t it. Actually (except for the rain
shortage up here) we’ve been having great weather for our cars. I put
300 miles on it last week, still a little rough around the edges but
running strong. How’s your car doing?
pauls 67ots

E types

Hi Paul,

That is a great statement after all of the head trouble this year, hope
it
is running well. At least you get some non winter driving still.

Rick Lees
71 SIII 2+2
<<<<<<<<<From: “Rick Lees” rlees@rideshare.com
Subject: RE: [E-Type] Re: It’s all in the rear end… Terminal speed of

Hi Paul,

I have put close to 1500 miles on the car since I saw you at Sturbridge. It
drives very well but on the list for this winter is some tuning work on the
engine, it idles a little rougher than I think it should. I keep thinking
that we have had the last nice days to drive and then we get some more.

Happy driving,

Rick Lees
71 SIII 2+2-----Original Message-----
From: owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of paul spurlock
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 7:05 AM
To: jaguar
Subject: [E-Type] Re: It’s all in the rear end… Terminal speed of E types

Thanks Rick,
It was a nice day yesterday wasn’t it. Actually (except for the rain
shortage up here) we’ve been having great weather for our cars. I put
300 miles on it last week, still a little rough around the edges but
running strong. How’s your car doing?
pauls 67ots

From: “Rick Lees” <@Rick_Lees>
Subject: RE: [E-Type] Re: It’s all in the rear end… Terminal speed of
E types

Hi Paul,

That is a great statement after all of the head trouble this year, hope
it
is running well. At least you get some non winter driving still.

Rick Lees
71 SIII 2+2
<<<<<<<<<

Alain,

Honda ?? winning everything ? certainly not Rally where they don’t even
compete and F1 … well, it’s doing better than Jaguar but it hasn’t won an
F1 race in a while… all they got this year were 2 podiums out of 2
team… ( that 17 races, 4 cars… )

are they in CART ?

Pascal
72 2+2----- Original Message -----
From: “Alain Pascal Routhier” Alainrouthier@sympatico.ca
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Re: It’s all in the rear end… Terminal speed of E
types

hi Paul,
I agree, Honda wins everything these days: rally, f1,etc, never the less,
poor kids knowing only an engine as a 4 banger.

Alain

hi Paul,
I agree, Honda wins everything these days: rally, f1,etc, never the less,
poor kids knowing only an engine as a 4 banger.

Alain----- Original Message -----
From: “paul spurlock” paulsp@SNET.NET
To: “jaguar” e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2001 11:47 AM
Subject: [E-Type] Re: It’s all in the rear end… Terminal speed of E types

Alain,
Although “BIG” torque engines were always my cup of tea, so to speak,
you can’t overlook the seriousness of some of these little 4 bangers.
Some of these so called ricers are pulling well over 200hp. The TT that
has been in discussion here is turbocharged and in stock form is 180hp.
There is a an upgraded model, same engine, with 225hp. Our Es were
rated at 265hp but all agree that its significantly less. Some
publications state 240 but those freindly with the dyno shops say its
closer to 200. I hate the sound of the 4 bangers on the streets, the
kids want to put a tail pipe on there that is the size of a 55 gallon
drum and most are all show and no go. But with today’s technology some
of these things are serious machines. All while weighing probably half
as much (the engine), getting at least half again better gas mileage and
much more friendly to our environment. All that said I think I’ll go
take the E out for a drive :slight_smile:
pauls 67ots

From: “Alain Pascal Routhier” <@Alain_Routhier>
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Re: It’s all in the rear end… Terminal speed of
E types

I really don’t get those kid trying to hot rod a 1.6 or if lucky 1.8l 4C
engine !!! :slight_smile:

Alain
<<<<<<<<<<

Alain Pascal Routhier wrote:

hi Paul,
I agree, Honda wins everything these days: rally, f1,etc, never the less,
poor kids knowing only an engine as a 4 banger.

Alain

My wife and I were on the way to the drive-in theater last night in the
OTS when we stopped at a light next to a Honda with two
twenty-somethings in it. The passenger yelled, “He buddy, nice car,
wanna drag?” I just smiled and said no thanks.

Then I heard his buddy tell him. “Idiot, that’s a Jaguar XK-E, it’ll
wipe our a**es all over the street.”

Glad to know the myth lives on. :wink:

George Cohn
'70 OTS