[E-Type] Re: subframe assy bolt/color

I am presently reinstalling the subframe assembly on my series II ots. (Boy
is it nice to be finally putting parts back together). A great aid is Steve
Kemp’s outstanding article on “Mounting Hardware for Series 1 Subframe
Assembly” on the xke-lovers site. However, in examining what appears to be
the original unpainted hardware on my series II, the bolts appear to be a
yellow/gold finish as opposed to a silver finish. Is this correct?? Does
the yellow/gold finish appear on other series II (1970) cars??? TIA
John
Jagman70

John, I installed the subframe on my Series 2 OTS two weeks ago, and purchased
all hardware as a kit from Jagshop in London. they were silver, and very cheep,
and the best thing was, all fitted.

Phone to Jagshop is + 44 1817487824 (Jim)

Per Arne Braaten
Series 2 OTS

Vennligst svare-type@jag-lovers.org

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Tittel: Re: [E-Type] Re: subframe assy bolt/color

I am presently reinstalling the subframe assembly on my series II ots. (Boy
is it nice to be finally putting parts back together). A great aid is Steve
Kemp’s outstanding article on “Mounting Hardware for Series 1 Subframe
Assembly” on the xke-lovers site. However, in examining what appears to be
the original unpainted hardware on my series II, the bolts appear to be a
yellow/gold finish as opposed to a silver finish. Is this correct?? Does
the yellow/gold finish appear on other series II (1970) cars??? TIA
John
Jagman70

Kategori:Til: e-type@jag-lovers.org

JAGMAN70@aol.com wrote:

I am presently reinstalling the subframe assembly on my series II ots. (Boy
is it nice to be finally putting parts back together). A great aid is Steve
Kemp’s outstanding article on “Mounting Hardware for Series 1 Subframe
Assembly” on the xke-lovers site. However, in examining what appears to be
the original unpainted hardware on my series II, the bolts appear to be a
yellow/gold finish as opposed to a silver finish. Is this correct?? Does
the yellow/gold finish appear on other series II (1970) cars??? TIA
John
Jagman70

I’m assuming you bought one of the subframe bolt kits? I was very
disappointed with the one I bought. It seemed to be a few bolts short
and many of the bolts were actually an eighth of a inch longer than the
originals. And what was the deal with all of the flat washers? I
eventually had to reuse a few of the originals and never used most of
the flat washers.

When you get to installing the harnesses, check out the word document
file on their routing. I found that very helpful. It’s great that we
have so many people contributing files like these to make it possible to
re-assemble these cars!

JAGMAN70@aol.com wrote:

I am presently reinstalling the subframe assembly on my series II ots.

Here’s another tip if you aren’t already this far.

Before offering up the bonnet support frame, put the top two outer bolts
with the radiator support angle brackets through the bonnet support
frame before assembling it to the picture window. Otherwise, the bolt
heads won’t clear the angled tubes and you will scratch or bend these
tubes trying to get the bolts in after the fact. (Ask me how I know.)

I’m only a few assembly steps from starting my '70 OTS! Mount the
radiator, hook up the coolant hoses and install a battery. This weekend
should be the big day!

I still have a ton of things to do though. The interior upholstery and
bonnet mostly.

Lots of bolts and nuts on my 70 2+2 are yellow/gold also. Are they cadmium
plated as opposed to zinc. (or otherway round).

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Date: 09 September 1999 05:04
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Re: subframe assy bolt/color

I am presently reinstalling the subframe assembly on my series II ots. (Boy
is it nice to be finally putting parts back together). A great aid is
Steve
Kemp’s outstanding article on “Mounting Hardware for Series 1 Subframe
Assembly” on the xke-lovers site. However, in examining what appears to be
the original unpainted hardware on my series II, the bolts appear to be a
yellow/gold finish as opposed to a silver finish. Is this correct?? Does
the yellow/gold finish appear on other series II (1970) cars??? TIA
John
Jagman70

Hi all,

Wow! All these years and someone still references that subfame manual. I’m
humbled.

I have to say that I’ve never seen zinc yellow dichromate bolts on an E-type
subframes. Classically, the factory was too cheap to pay for the extra corrosion
resistance. Although, interestingly, Lucas bellied up to the bar and paid for it
very early in the game (cable clamps specifically and a few odd electrical
bits). By S2 time, they appeared to back in the mode of painting the frame in
situ, without the added step of disassembly prior to engine installation.
Therefore, most of the bolt heads that were black oxided were covered with paint
anyway, so knowing what finish they actually at this point is made difficult.
Same with S3.

My personal guess is that this S2 was either blessed with whatever hardware was
available at the time, or had its subframe repaired at some point. However, like
most things Jaguar, they may have allowed a deviation to the specs for this
batch of hardware, or altered the specs. Or, because most S3 hardware is
painted, it’s possible later S2 hardware and S3 hardware is plated and I’ve
never noticed. Anyone having a clue can drop me a line at @Steve_Kemp.

SK
62 OTS (which runs at this point and is darn near finished, for those of you
familiar with the project)

PS: Hi, George. They aren’t driving you too nuts, are they? You can reach me at
beneteau_list@sailnet.com, as I’ve found another love (yet my Jaguar still likes
me).

JAGMAN70@aol.com wrote:> I am presently reinstalling the subframe assembly on my series II ots. (Boy

is it nice to be finally putting parts back together). A great aid is Steve
Kemp’s outstanding article on “Mounting Hardware for Series 1 Subframe
Assembly” on the xke-lovers site. However, in examining what appears to be
the original unpainted hardware on my series II, the bolts appear to be a
yellow/gold finish as opposed to a silver finish. Is this correct?? Does
the yellow/gold finish appear on other series II (1970) cars??? TIA
John
Jagman70

Steve, I checked the yellow dichromate subframe bolts and they appear to be
original as they bear the GKN marking you refer to in your article. I
purchased the car from the original owner seven years ago and it appears
clearly to have not suffered any accidents necessitating removal of the
subframes. They were never painted. This is probably another example of the
lack of uniformity in what is truly “original” equipment on our e-types.
Regards,
John
Jagman70

Gents,

Sounds like one for the books.

If anyone else has experienced this same thing, please drop me a line at
@Steve_Kemp.

SK
62 OTS

JAGMAN70@aol.com wrote:> Steve, I checked the yellow dichromate subframe bolts and they appear to be

original as they bear the GKN marking you refer to in your article. I
purchased the car from the original owner seven years ago and it appears
clearly to have not suffered any accidents necessitating removal of the
subframes. They were never painted. This is probably another example of the
lack of uniformity in what is truly “original” equipment on our e-types.
Regards,
John
Jagman70

I know I’m responding to a very old posting, but I have a question about bolt direction. The diagram and notes are fantastic and have been a great help to me, however, it seems like the lower outside bolt in the front lower fulcrum block should be the one with the head in the back (per note #2), not the bolt above it. Am I missing something?

As I read this thread, I yearn for the day when the car is off of the rotisserie, The IRS is mounted and I am getting ready to attach the front frame to the shell.

This may be deja vu all over again but I am almost ready to install a new set of frame rails on my 70 ots. When I pulled the engine and tranny this fall to do a rebuild, I discovered small rust holes in the lower front end of both frame rails (despite the fact this car has seen little rain over the past 20 years). The frame rails looked perfect when I restored this car in the late 90s. I recently bought new ones from Uryk at E Type Fabs and just had them painted. Uryk Includes a full set of clear cad/zinc plated bolts.