[E-Type] Return from Monterey

Great visit with a few list members and good fun eating with the
selections of the Zloz who is this lists’ own guide to dining in
California… and he has got a beautiful daily driver 64 roadster…

LLoydie has done a wonderful job on his V12 FHCoupe from the time I saw
it last year…
Very tidy car a nice driver with only a few blemishes and a perfect
donor car for anyone wanting to make themselves the best 2+2 … just
no rust at all and in good nick except for the TIRES, LLoyd, are you
still there?.. please be careful, and take the advice of all of us I am
sure and invest in 4 dolops of rubber!

all the best
tony–

VICARAGE JAGUAR Specialist Jaguar Restoration
USA/UK/Netherlands
Tel: 305 866 9511 fax: 305 866 5738
http://www.jagweb.com/vicarage
email: @Anthony_Parkinson

OK, I must admit this ever expanding list of e-typers who are running on
ancient rubber has me puzzled.

Jaguar ownership does not lend itself to keeping your wallet shut,
anyway–and tires, while not a trivial purchase at anywhere between $500 and
$1000 for a set, aren’t the most expensive item you’ll ever replace on the
car–and a lot less than even minor coachwork will cost if a blowout knocks
a dent in your fender. Surely we don’t have to talk about the danger to
other road users, your passengers and yourself?

C’mon, I’d love not to have to read about yet another lister who is
“carefuly checking” (!) their tires that are a cajillion years old. If
there’s ever a time to run up the gold card, this is one of 'em.

–Roger, concerned about Lloyd and Csaba and several others

Roger wrote:_____________________________________
OK, I must admit this ever expanding list of e-typers who are running on
ancient rubber has me puzzled.

C’mon, I’d love not to have to read about yet another lister who is
“carefuly checking” (!) their tires that are a cajillion years old. If
there’s ever a time to run up the gold card, this is one of 'em.


Very well said, Roger. As a major tyre manufacturer puts it in a current
advertising campaign, a tyre is the only safety feature on your car that is
actually touching the road’.

At the risk of offending anyone, it is downright foolish to run around on
ancient tyres that are only good for hanging from a sturdy branch. V Rated
Pirelli P4000s are about $75.00 each, and there’s plenty of others to
choose from if you don’t like them…

Csaba - someone in your position needs to set an example. It’s time to stop
buggering about with those old Michelins and get yourself some proper
tyres. You may feel that you have the driving skills to deal with a high
speed blow out, but do the people around you? By staring down these tyres
you are setting a dangerous example to many people who greatly respect your
opinions.

Old tyres are dangerous however clear the white lettering may be, or
however much tread they may have left. You are risking your life driving on
them.

Time to get off the soap box :wink:

Dan Mooney
@Dan_Mooney
http://www.classicjaguar.com

In my limited and humble experience, tire failure from old age and cord
seperation comes little by little. BUT… you do have to pay attention, and
have a velvet touch on the wheel and seat-of-the-pants to be able to tell
when they are leting go. My old tires I used to be able to run at 120 MPH
on the Silver Fox can now travel at no faster than 80 MPH. The fronts are
giving up the ghost. Sad, as they have about 90% of the tread on them. But
eleven years takes it’s tole. LLoyd

Anthony Parkinson wrote:> LLoydie has done a wonderful job on his V12 FHCoupe from the time I saw

it last year…
Very tidy car a nice driver with only a few blemishes and a perfect
donor car for anyone wanting to make themselves the best 2+2 … just
no rust at all and in good nick except for the TIRES, LLoyd, are you
still there?.. please be careful, and take the advice of all of us I am
sure and invest in 4 dolops of rubber!

all the best
tony

VICARAGE JAGUAR Specialist Jaguar Restoration
USA/UK/Netherlands
Tel: 305 866 9511 fax: 305 866 5738
http://www.jagweb.com/vicarage
email: vicarage@ix.netcom.com

Hi listers

Just wanted to say hi and thanks to all the fellow XKE enthusiastic who
joined us for dinner on Friday (Tony, and co. Paul and his wife, and Ray
(the comedian!!) and to those who joined us on Sat (same as above except no
Paul and wife BUT Lloyd and his wife plus Norm and Diedre) I think everyone
had a GREAT time!!!

As far as my 64 XKE goes, I put on about 1000 miles from last Wed to Sunday
night and the car ran AMAZING!!! It didn’t miss one beat!! It did get up
to about 105c on the temp gauge while stuck in traffic coming back to
Monterey from San Jose but as soon as I hit the open road, it cooled down.

On Sunday, while checking the oil at the track, I noticed that the middle
freeze plug between the exhaust manifolds was slightly dribbling (OH NO!!!)
I than went to the pits and asked Vic Edlebrock if he had any thick gooey
permatex to rub on the freeze plug. He asked his crew chief to get me some
BUT all they had was some type of clay which they told me to put over the
plug to stop the dribble (which didn’t work!!). Anyway, I check the leak
after about 30 minutes of driving and it seemed to have cured itself and
the car ran BEAUTIFULLY for the 350 mile drive back to Los Angeles

What a great piece of machinery!!!

Till next year!!!

Zloz
64 E roadster

neil zlozower wrote:

Hi listers

Just wanted to say hi and thanks to all the fellow XKE enthusiastic who
joined us for dinner on Friday (Tony, and co. Paul and his wife, and Ray
(the comedian!!) and to those who joined us on Sat (same as above except no
Paul and wife BUT Lloyd and his wife plus Norm and Diedre) I think everyone
had a GREAT time!!!

Zloz
64 E roadster

Since Robert, Rocky and I weren’t there, can we get a refund on the dinner tab?
:wink:

Allan Jones

…and reserve the next Friday after parctice for white Zin and brie at my
place.
LLoyd

neil zlozower wrote:> Hi listers

Just wanted to say hi and thanks to all the fellow XKE enthusiastic who
joined us for dinner on Friday (Tony, and co. Paul and his wife, and Ray
(the comedian!!) and to those who joined us on Sat (same as above except no
Paul and wife BUT Lloyd and his wife plus Norm and Diedre) I think everyone
had a GREAT time!!!

As far as my 64 XKE goes, I put on about 1000 miles from last Wed to Sunday
night and the car ran AMAZING!!! It didn’t miss one beat!! It did get up
to about 105c on the temp gauge while stuck in traffic coming back to
Monterey from San Jose but as soon as I hit the open road, it cooled down.

On Sunday, while checking the oil at the track, I noticed that the middle
freeze plug between the exhaust manifolds was slightly dribbling (OH NO!!!)
I than went to the pits and asked Vic Edlebrock if he had any thick gooey
permatex to rub on the freeze plug. He asked his crew chief to get me some
BUT all they had was some type of clay which they told me to put over the
plug to stop the dribble (which didn’t work!!). Anyway, I check the leak
after about 30 minutes of driving and it seemed to have cured itself and
the car ran BEAUTIFULLY for the 350 mile drive back to Los Angeles

What a great piece of machinery!!!

Till next year!!!

Zloz
64 E roadster

Hi Allan

I knew I forgot to thank someone this morning when I typed that e mail at 7:00am!!

I guess the coffee didn’t quite kick in yet!!!

SORRY!!!

It was a great pleasure chatting with yourself and rocky up there!!! I hope we can
do it again next year!!!

Sincerely

Zloz

Allan Jones wrote:> neil zlozower wrote:

Hi listers

Just wanted to say hi and thanks to all the fellow XKE enthusiastic who
joined us for dinner on Friday (Tony, and co. Paul and his wife, and Ray
(the comedian!!) and to those who joined us on Sat (same as above except no
Paul and wife BUT Lloyd and his wife plus Norm and Diedre) I think everyone
had a GREAT time!!!

Zloz
64 E roadster

Since Robert, Rocky and I weren’t there, can we get a refund on the dinner tab?
:wink:

Allan Jones

Hi lloyd

Next year, FOR SURE!!!

Didn’t get a chance to chat with you and your wife that much at dinner. You were
on the other end of the table

Zloz

LLoyd G Nolan wrote:> …and reserve the next Friday after parctice for white Zin and brie at my

place.
LLoyd

neil zlozower wrote:

Hi listers

Just wanted to say hi and thanks to all the fellow XKE enthusiastic who
joined us for dinner on Friday (Tony, and co. Paul and his wife, and Ray
(the comedian!!) and to those who joined us on Sat (same as above except no
Paul and wife BUT Lloyd and his wife plus Norm and Diedre) I think everyone
had a GREAT time!!!

As far as my 64 XKE goes, I put on about 1000 miles from last Wed to Sunday
night and the car ran AMAZING!!! It didn’t miss one beat!! It did get up
to about 105c on the temp gauge while stuck in traffic coming back to
Monterey from San Jose but as soon as I hit the open road, it cooled down.

On Sunday, while checking the oil at the track, I noticed that the middle
freeze plug between the exhaust manifolds was slightly dribbling (OH NO!!!)
I than went to the pits and asked Vic Edlebrock if he had any thick gooey
permatex to rub on the freeze plug. He asked his crew chief to get me some
BUT all they had was some type of clay which they told me to put over the
plug to stop the dribble (which didn’t work!!). Anyway, I check the leak
after about 30 minutes of driving and it seemed to have cured itself and
the car ran BEAUTIFULLY for the 350 mile drive back to Los Angeles

What a great piece of machinery!!!

Till next year!!!

Zloz
64 E roadster

yeh, and I missed the whole crew down at your end. Next yeaar, Friday at my
place…
LLoyd

neil zlozower wrote:> Hi lloyd

Next year, FOR SURE!!!

Didn’t get a chance to chat with you and your wife that much at dinner. You were
on the other end of the table

Zloz

LLoyd G Nolan wrote:

…and reserve the next Friday after parctice for white Zin and brie at my
place.
LLoyd

neil zlozower wrote:

Hi listers

Just wanted to say hi and thanks to all the fellow XKE enthusiastic who
joined us for dinner on Friday (Tony, and co. Paul and his wife, and Ray
(the comedian!!) and to those who joined us on Sat (same as above except no
Paul and wife BUT Lloyd and his wife plus Norm and Diedre) I think everyone
had a GREAT time!!!

As far as my 64 XKE goes, I put on about 1000 miles from last Wed to Sunday
night and the car ran AMAZING!!! It didn’t miss one beat!! It did get up
to about 105c on the temp gauge while stuck in traffic coming back to
Monterey from San Jose but as soon as I hit the open road, it cooled down.

On Sunday, while checking the oil at the track, I noticed that the middle
freeze plug between the exhaust manifolds was slightly dribbling (OH NO!!!)
I than went to the pits and asked Vic Edlebrock if he had any thick gooey
permatex to rub on the freeze plug. He asked his crew chief to get me some
BUT all they had was some type of clay which they told me to put over the
plug to stop the dribble (which didn’t work!!). Anyway, I check the leak
after about 30 minutes of driving and it seemed to have cured itself and
the car ran BEAUTIFULLY for the 350 mile drive back to Los Angeles

What a great piece of machinery!!!

Till next year!!!

Zloz
64 E roadster

neil zlozower wrote:

Hi Allan

I knew I forgot to thank someone this morning when I typed that e mail at 7:00am!!

I guess the coffee didn’t quite kick in yet!!!

SORRY!!!

It was a great pleasure chatting with yourself and rocky up there!!! I hope we can
do it again next year!!!

Sincerely

Zloz

No big deal. Rocky and I really enjoyed dinner with everyone and are looking forward
to the same next year. Many thanks Zloz for organizing a really entertaining evening.

Allan Jones

Dan,

Most of your points are valid, but I would point out a few arguments in my
defense.

Most tire manufacturers will warrant their tires for a period of at least
seven years. Given our litigious society, this is likely to be a rock-solid
safe life expectancy under the absolutely worst conditions–namely a car
parked in the bright, ultraviolet ray-laden sun every day for that seven
years, in a locale with heavy ozone concentration in the air, and subject to
extremes in temperature.

Obviously most of our cars do not see anything like these conditions. My
E-type has spent most of its life in the rural Midwest where the air is
relatively pollution free. It has also been garaged when not driven, in a
heated hanger during the winter.

I certainly don’t claim to know how much this pampered treatment has extended
the life of the tires, but it can clearly make an enormous difference.

Besides, when I think about old tires and their safety, I always recall a
trip to Bonneville Speedweek about five years ago, where I saw Al Teague, the
current wheel-driven land speed record holder (409 mph and change), and saw
him make a one-way pass at over 400 mph. Even standing a quarter-mile back
from the course, it was incredibly fast. At the end of the run, I examined
the car closely, and noticed that the tires where quite shredded. At least
one of the twenty plies on each tire had come apart, cloaking the tire in a
curtain of cotton fibers that looked like a bad toupee.

Turns out Teague runs his car on Firestone Land Speed record tires built in
1970! For liability reasons, Firestone and Goodyear got out of the record
tire business after that. so Teague pursues his records on these nearly
thirty-year-old gumballs. When Teague saw my mouth drop open as he explained
this he told me not to worry. After each run, he just cuts of the delaminated
ply with a razor and runs the tire again and again!

Later, one of the grizzled Bonneville old-timers confirmed every bit of
Teague’s story. When I asked if the tires hadn’t hardened with age, he
answered “Harder than a wedding night dick.”

In this context, my slight flirtation with my old tires pales into
insignificance.

Even so, I will replace my tires in the near future, though probably not with
the Pirellis you mentioned. The 4000s you mentioned are 205/70-15s and too
wide for the five-inch rims on early E-types. In fact, there are precious few
H or V-rated radials available in the original 185-15 size without going to
an old tire specialist and spending $160-200 apiece for old-style Michelins
or Dunlops.

Which of these tires would you suggest, from the lofty height of your soapbox?

Csaba

<< Very well said, Roger. As a major tyre manufacturer puts it in a current
advertising campaign, a tyre is the only safety feature on your car that is
actually touching the road’.

At the risk of offending anyone, it is downright foolish to run around on
ancient tyres that are only good for hanging from a sturdy branch. V Rated
Pirelli P4000s are about $75.00 each, and there’s plenty of others to
choose from if you don’t like them…

Csaba - someone in your position needs to set an example. It’s time to stop
buggering about with those old Michelins and get yourself some proper
tyres. You may feel that you have the driving skills to deal with a high
speed blow out, but do the people around you? By staring down these tyres
you are setting a dangerous example to many people who greatly respect your
opinions.

Old tyres are dangerous however clear the white lettering may be, or
however much tread they may have left. You are risking your life driving on
them.

Time to get off the soap box :wink:

Dan Mooney
danmooney@classicjaguar.com
http://www.classicjaguar.com >>

Csaba wrote:___________________________________________
Most of your points are valid, but I would point out a few arguments in my
defense.


OK…


Most tire manufacturers will warrant their tires for a period of at least
seven years. Given our litigious society, this is likely to be a rock-solid

safe life expectancy under the absolutely worst conditions


Maybe tyre technology has advanced to the point where 7 years is now a
reasonable life expectency. Having said that, aren’t your tyres 2 or 3
times older than that? It necessarily follows that if they are indeed 15+
years old, they were made at a time prior to the amazing technological
advantages held by current manufacturers.

Additionally, I think you will find that a manufacturer’s warranty is
likely to talk about ‘tread wear’.

In the manufacturing and retail industry it is a fact that warranties are
rarely called in. On the occasions that they are, the manufacturer is
normally protected by the proverbial ‘small print’.

An example of how a manufacturer can use a warranty as a marketing tool is
in the case of perhaps the biggest manufacturer of video tapes in the
world. I don’t recall the exact statistical analysis that was done, but the
point remains clear. The manufacturer realized that the average video tape,
used in the average household for an average number of recordings would
last about 2 years before it started to malfunction. The company had the
technology and expertise within its research personnel to develop a tape
that would last perhaps 10 years. Rather than the spend the vast fortunes
such research would apparently have cost to conduct, they decided to simply
change the warranty from 12 months to a lifetime guarantee. They worked on
the premise that after a couple of years, 99% of consumers would not take a
video tape back and claim on the warranty. They changed their advertising
to reflect the ‘incredible longevity’ of the ‘new’ tape (and the lifetime
guarantee) - and sales quadrupled.


Besides, when I think about old tires and their safety, I always recall a
trip to Bonneville Speedweek about five years ago, where I saw Al Teague,
the
current wheel-driven land speed record holder (409 mph and change), and saw

him make a one-way pass at over 400 mph. Even standing a quarter-mile back
from the course, it was incredibly fast. At the end of the run, I examined
the car closely, and noticed that the tires where quite shredded. At least
one of the twenty plies on each tire had come apart, cloaking the tire in a

curtain of cotton fibers that looked like a bad toupee.

Turns out Teague runs his car on Firestone Land Speed record tires built in

1970! For liability reasons, Firestone and Goodyear got out of the record
tire business after that. so Teague pursues his records on these nearly
thirty-year-old gumballs. When Teague saw my mouth drop open as he
explained
this he told me not to worry. After each run, he just cuts of the
delaminated
ply with a razor and runs the tire again and again!

Later, one of the grizzled Bonneville old-timers confirmed every bit of
Teague’s story. When I asked if the tires hadn’t hardened with age, he
answered “Harder than a wedding night dick.”

In this context, my slight flirtation with my old tires pales into
insignificance.


Great story, but alas I don’t buy it in terms of negating or minimizing the
risks you are taking. Dead is dead whether the automobile was traveling at
90 mph or 400 mph. Remember too that the colourful Mr. Teague has very
little traffic to deal with during an ‘incident’ on the salt flats. His
story reminds of the 90 year old man who has smoked every day of his life
since he was 10 and never had a day off work…I’m sure you get my
point…


Even so, I will replace my tires in the near future, though probably not
with
the Pirellis you mentioned. The 4000s you mentioned are 205/70-15s and too
wide for the five-inch rims on early E-types. In fact, there are precious
few
H or V-rated radials available in the original 185-15 size without going to

an old tire specialist and spending $160-200 apiece for old-style Michelins

or Dunlops.

Which of these tires would you suggest, from the lofty height of your
soapbox?


Glad to hear they are about to be changed. Some tyres to consider might be
as follows:

Yokohama A321 185/70 (V, I think)
Michelin 185/70VR XWXT (V)
Michelin 195/70 XWV4 (H rated, I think)
Dunlop SP4 185/75 (V)

H = 112mph
T = 118mph
V = 149mph

I don’t mean to preach, Csaba, but I believe this a really serious issue. I
have kicked my soap box into the corner and promise to leave it there :wink:

Regards,

Dan Mooney
@Dan_Mooney
http://www.classicjaguar.com

Hi Allan

Thanks!!! We’ll do it again next year!!

Zloz

Allan Jones wrote:> neil zlozower wrote:

Hi Allan

I knew I forgot to thank someone this morning when I typed that e mail at 7:00am!!

I guess the coffee didn’t quite kick in yet!!!

SORRY!!!

It was a great pleasure chatting with yourself and rocky up there!!! I hope we can
do it again next year!!!

Sincerely

Zloz

No big deal. Rocky and I really enjoyed dinner with everyone and are looking forward
to the same next year. Many thanks Zloz for organizing a really entertaining evening.

Allan Jones

Dan Mooney wrote:

Yokohama A321 185/70 (V, I think)
Michelin 185/70VR XWXT (V)
Michelin 195/70 XWV4 (H rated, I think)
Dunlop SP4 185/75 (V)

H = 112mph
T = 118mph
V = 149mph

Dan:

Isn't H rated at 130?

Don Hawley

Just wanted to drop a line to all of the listers that met
up in Monterey for the races this weekend. I have gone to
the races for the last 8 years & last year I went by myself.
That was fun,but by meeting up with everyone this year,it was
a much better time. It seems to me that you can spend so much
time typing out anything to a bunch of faceless addresses on a
computer,but I can honestly say that hanging out with everyone
who I have corresponded with on this site was a blast! If you
ever get the oppurtunity to meet with the people on this site,
do it. I also told myself that 99 was the last year that I was
going to Monterey,but if people want to meet up next year…
And this may also put to rest the thread of where are we going
to eat (that must have been annoying to everyone else).
By the way Zloz, I hope that you didn’t let out on the list that
a small group of us upper crust British Auto owner snobby types
organized a clandestine method for sneaking into the Monterey
Sportscar Auction. How old are we,10?
Ray S,64 OTS
P.S. Man that was some great food…(sorry!)______________________________________________________
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H is 130. S is 112 mph.

Csaba

<< Dan:

Isn't H rated at 130?

Don Hawley>>

Hi Ray

I’ll see you again in 2001 in Monterey!!!

Nope, I didn’t let out “the secret”!!!

Zloz

ps That WAS GREAT food!!! I think I liked the Sardine Factory a tad
better!!!
Ray Schlageter wrote:> Just wanted to drop a line to all of the listers that met

up in Monterey for the races this weekend. I have gone to
the races for the last 8 years & last year I went by myself.
That was fun,but by meeting up with everyone this year,it was
a much better time. It seems to me that you can spend so much
time typing out anything to a bunch of faceless addresses on a
computer,but I can honestly say that hanging out with everyone
who I have corresponded with on this site was a blast! If you
ever get the oppurtunity to meet with the people on this site,
do it. I also told myself that 99 was the last year that I was
going to Monterey,but if people want to meet up next year......
And this may also put to rest the thread of where are we going
to eat (that must have been annoying to everyone else).
By the way Zloz, I hope that you didn't let out on the list that
a small group of us upper crust British Auto owner snobby types
organized a clandestine method for sneaking into the Monterey
Sportscar Auction. How old are we,10?
Ray S,64 OTS
P.S. Man that was some great food...(sorry!)

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