[E-Type] S1.5 two speed wiper wiring

The wiper motor runs ok but it doesn’t change speed and it gets hot to
the touch. Seeing as the colors of the wiring coming out of the wipe
motor have long since disappeared and now look like three dirty white
wires, I thought perhaps that one of you bright sparks (pun intended)
might have some idea of what might be measured to determine the
correct wiring.–
Les…'68 S1.5 2+2…Atlanta…owner since 1996


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In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Mon 14 Nov 2016:

Hey Les. Complicated. We may need Lloyd to wave his hands.

The S1.5 wiper motor is unique as you know. Before they lost
their cloth covers the three wires from the motor were coded
R, N and G. The wires are normally encased in a grey plastic
sheath that attaches at the base of the motor. If you
discretely sever the sheath at the motor you can slip the
sheath up a bit to reveal the wire coding, otherwise you’re
in for trial and error.

The N and G wires are usually taped together and the R wire
is singular. On the original harness, the N wire attaches to
a Nlg wire. But as I recall you have an Autosparks
replacement harness so this doesn’t apply. It’s the one
place in the S1.5 harness they got the coding wrong,
although the wire locations are right.

In the Autosparks harness here are six wires in this
location. R from the motor goes to siamesed Rlg wires in the
harness. G attaches to the G harness wire, which goes to the
fuse box. That leaves three unassigned wires, Ylg, U and B.
I used the U wire as substitute for Nlg wire in the original
harness. The Ylg and B are redundant.

Looking at the back of the switch there are four terminals,
three in use. The fourth is ganged to the one beside it.

With the switch in the off position, do a continuity test
between the ganged terminal and the remaining two. Where
there is continuity, the motor N wire (U in the dash
harness) goes. R from the motor (Rlg in the dash harness)
goes to the ganged terminal. The remaining terminal goes to
ground.

There are 9 possible combinations.–
The original message included these comments:

The wiper motor runs ok but it doesn’t change speed and it gets hot to
the touch. Seeing as the colors of the wiring coming out of the wipe
motor have long since disappeared and now look like three dirty white
wires, I thought perhaps that one of you bright sparks (pun intended)
might have some idea of what might be measured to determine the
correct wiring.


Nick Saltarelli '68 Cdn mkt E-type S1� OTS, '54 XK120SE OTS
Niagara, Ontario, Canada
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Thanks Nick, I stayed with the original harness.On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Níck stellar-plain@sympatico.ca wrote:

In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Mon 14 Nov 2016:

Hey Les. Complicated. We may need Lloyd to wave his hands.

The S1.5 wiper motor is unique as you know. Before they lost
their cloth covers the three wires from the motor were coded
R, N and G. The wires are normally encased in a grey plastic
sheath that attaches at the base of the motor. If you
discretely sever the sheath at the motor you can slip the
sheath up a bit to reveal the wire coding, otherwise you’re
in for trial and error.

The N and G wires are usually taped together and the R wire
is singular. On the original harness, the N wire attaches to
a Nlg wire. But as I recall you have an Autosparks
replacement harness so this doesn’t apply. It’s the one
place in the S1.5 harness they got the coding wrong,
although the wire locations are right.

In the Autosparks harness here are six wires in this
location. R from the motor goes to siamesed Rlg wires in the
harness. G attaches to the G harness wire, which goes to the
fuse box. That leaves three unassigned wires, Ylg, U and B.
I used the U wire as substitute for Nlg wire in the original
harness. The Ylg and B are redundant.

Looking at the back of the switch there are four terminals,
three in use. The fourth is ganged to the one beside it.

With the switch in the off position, do a continuity test
between the ganged terminal and the remaining two. Where
there is continuity, the motor N wire (U in the dash
harness) goes. R from the motor (Rlg in the dash harness)
goes to the ganged terminal. The remaining terminal goes to
ground.

There are 9 possible combinations.


The original message included these comments:

The wiper motor runs ok but it doesn’t change speed and it gets hot to
the touch. Seeing as the colors of the wiring coming out of the wipe
motor have long since disappeared and now look like three dirty white
wires, I thought perhaps that one of you bright sparks (pun intended)
might have some idea of what might be measured to determine the
correct wiring.


Nick Saltarelli '68 Cdn mkt E-type S1½ OTS, '54 XK120SE OTS
Niagara, Ontario, Canada
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I didn’t finish my statement Nick…finish = so can you do it
again using the original wire color codes please?On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 12:57 PM, Les Halls <@Les_Halls1> wrote:

Thanks Nick, I stayed with the original harness.

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Níck stellar-plain@sympatico.ca wrote:

In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Mon 14 Nov 2016:

Hey Les. Complicated. We may need Lloyd to wave his hands.

The S1.5 wiper motor is unique as you know. Before they lost
their cloth covers the three wires from the motor were coded
R, N and G. The wires are normally encased in a grey plastic
sheath that attaches at the base of the motor. If you
discretely sever the sheath at the motor you can slip the
sheath up a bit to reveal the wire coding, otherwise you’re
in for trial and error.

The N and G wires are usually taped together and the R wire
is singular. On the original harness, the N wire attaches to
a Nlg wire. But as I recall you have an Autosparks
replacement harness so this doesn’t apply. It’s the one
place in the S1.5 harness they got the coding wrong,
although the wire locations are right.

In the Autosparks harness here are six wires in this
location. R from the motor goes to siamesed Rlg wires in the
harness. G attaches to the G harness wire, which goes to the
fuse box. That leaves three unassigned wires, Ylg, U and B.
I used the U wire as substitute for Nlg wire in the original
harness. The Ylg and B are redundant.

Looking at the back of the switch there are four terminals,
three in use. The fourth is ganged to the one beside it.

With the switch in the off position, do a continuity test
between the ganged terminal and the remaining two. Where
there is continuity, the motor N wire (U in the dash
harness) goes. R from the motor (Rlg in the dash harness)
goes to the ganged terminal. The remaining terminal goes to
ground.

There are 9 possible combinations.


The original message included these comments:

The wiper motor runs ok but it doesn’t change speed and it gets hot to
the touch. Seeing as the colors of the wiring coming out of the wipe
motor have long since disappeared and now look like three dirty white
wires, I thought perhaps that one of you bright sparks (pun intended)
might have some idea of what might be measured to determine the
correct wiring.


Nick Saltarelli '68 Cdn mkt E-type S1½ OTS, '54 XK120SE OTS
Niagara, Ontario, Canada
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In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Tue 15 Nov 2016:

In the original harness, N from motor to Nlg in the 5-terminal
block, G in the block to G, R to the duplex Rlg. Wlg, Ylg, and
Blg in the original 5-terminal block are redundant.

At the switch, Rlg to the jumpered terminal, Nlg to the
terminal that showed consistency with the jumpered terminal.
There will be a black wire in the dash harness at the switch
location that goes to the remaining switch terminal.–
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I didn’t finish my statement Nick…finish = so can you do it
again using the original wire color codes please?


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In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Tue 15 Nov 2016:

And btw, I went with the Autosparks harness so I will be
referring to your detailed description above. Something for
everyone here!

‘’…finish = so can you do it again using the original
wire color codes please’'–
The original message included these comments:

Thanks Nick, I stayed with the original harness.


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In reply to a message from craig_g sent Tue 15 Nov 2016:

Does this help you?

Cheers, Andrys

(What a convenient forum, by the way!)–
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Thanks Nick,
I think I have it correct now (it doesn’t get hot) but I only have one
speed. Anyone have a diagram of how the wiper motor internals are
connected/resistance checks? If so I could do some continuity
checking to see if I have a bum motor, or bad switch.On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Níck stellar-plain@sympatico.ca wrote:

In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Tue 15 Nov 2016:

In the original harness, N from motor to Nlg in the 5-terminal
block, G in the block to G, R to the duplex Rlg. Wlg, Ylg, and
Blg in the original 5-terminal block are redundant.

At the switch, Rlg to the jumpered terminal, Nlg to the
terminal that showed consistency with the jumpered terminal.
There will be a black wire in the dash harness at the switch
location that goes to the remaining switch terminal.

The original message included these comments:

I didn’t finish my statement Nick…finish = so can you do it
again using the original wire color codes please?


Nick Saltarelli '68 Cdn mkt E-type S1½ OTS, '54 XK120SE OTS
Niagara, Ontario, Canada
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In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Tue 15 Nov 2016:

Les,

This thread on the U.K. site might apply:
http://forum.etypeuk.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4331

If not, David has posted a couple of others that are really
good. I’m about to run out but I thought I’d just put this
out there for you.

You may know this already but the circuit is such that the
switch controls the path to ground. The funny thing about it
(to me) is that the motor runs on high speed with one of the
windings to ground and slow speed with both of the windings
to ground.

Hope that helps for now. I can probably find more in my
bookmarks tomorrow if you still need it.–
Craig Gilbert - '68 E-Type FHC - turned the corner!
Birmingham, AL, United States
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I found this on the Brit Car Forum…unfortunately the
attachments wont, attach, so I sent the problem to the administrator.
Anyway, it looks like the author know what he’s talking about and my
initial thoughts are that even though he’s not talking about the DL3A
the motor he’s dealing with looks to work the same…need the
diagrams though to check things out.

British Car Forum Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:10 AM, Níck stellar-plain@sympatico.ca wrote:

In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Mon 14 Nov 2016:

Hey Les. Complicated. We may need Lloyd to wave his hands.

The S1.5 wiper motor is unique as you know. Before they lost
their cloth covers the three wires from the motor were coded
R, N and G. The wires are normally encased in a grey plastic
sheath that attaches at the base of the motor. If you
discretely sever the sheath at the motor you can slip the
sheath up a bit to reveal the wire coding, otherwise you’re
in for trial and error.

The N and G wires are usually taped together and the R wire
is singular. On the original harness, the N wire attaches to
a Nlg wire. But as I recall you have an Autosparks
replacement harness so this doesn’t apply. It’s the one
place in the S1.5 harness they got the coding wrong,
although the wire locations are right.

In the Autosparks harness here are six wires in this
location. R from the motor goes to siamesed Rlg wires in the
harness. G attaches to the G harness wire, which goes to the
fuse box. That leaves three unassigned wires, Ylg, U and B.
I used the U wire as substitute for Nlg wire in the original
harness. The Ylg and B are redundant.

Looking at the back of the switch there are four terminals,
three in use. The fourth is ganged to the one beside it.

With the switch in the off position, do a continuity test
between the ganged terminal and the remaining two. Where
there is continuity, the motor N wire (U in the dash
harness) goes. R from the motor (Rlg in the dash harness)
goes to the ganged terminal. The remaining terminal goes to
ground.

There are 9 possible combinations.


The original message included these comments:

The wiper motor runs ok but it doesn’t change speed and it gets hot to
the touch. Seeing as the colors of the wiring coming out of the wipe
motor have long since disappeared and now look like three dirty white
wires, I thought perhaps that one of you bright sparks (pun intended)
might have some idea of what might be measured to determine the
correct wiring.


Nick Saltarelli '68 Cdn mkt E-type S1½ OTS, '54 XK120SE OTS
Niagara, Ontario, Canada
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In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Tue 15 Nov 2016:

Les baring a broken internal connection your brush pack has
an issue for the high speed–or your switch needs attention.
It is not unusual for the 3rd brush to be stuck from non
use.–
The original message included these comments:

I think I have it correct now (it doesn’t get hot) but I only have one
speed. Anyone have a diagram of how the wiper motor internals are
connected/resistance checks? If so I could do some continuity
checking to see if I have a bum motor, or bad switch.


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I did take the motor apart during my resto work and bench tested it.
It ran on two speeds and I didn’t find anything in the motor that
seemed incorrect or worn out, at least, not from a visual observation.

This is why I wanted a wiring diagram of the internals as connected to
the switch, and perhaps with that info, get to test for resistance and
continuity etc.On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:04 AM, George Camp scjag@juno.com wrote:

In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Tue 15 Nov 2016:

Les baring a broken internal connection your brush pack has
an issue for the high speed–or your switch needs attention.
It is not unusual for the 3rd brush to be stuck from non
use.

The original message included these comments:

I think I have it correct now (it doesn’t get hot) but I only have one
speed. Anyone have a diagram of how the wiper motor internals are
connected/resistance checks? If so I could do some continuity
checking to see if I have a bum motor, or bad switch.


George Camp
Columbia SC, United States
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Craig, the link doesn’t talk to the DL3A motor that was fitted to LHD
'68 S1.5 cars, and that’s what I and probably you, have.On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 6:13 PM, craig_g caggilbert@gmail.com wrote:

In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Tue 15 Nov 2016:

Les,

This thread on the U.K. site might apply:
Wiper Motor switch diagram Series 2 2+2 - The 'E' Type Forum

If not, David has posted a couple of others that are really
good. I’m about to run out but I thought I’d just put this
out there for you.

You may know this already but the circuit is such that the
switch controls the path to ground. The funny thing about it
(to me) is that the motor runs on high speed with one of the
windings to ground and slow speed with both of the windings
to ground.

Hope that helps for now. I can probably find more in my
bookmarks tomorrow if you still need it.

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Birmingham, AL, United States
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In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Wed 16 Nov 2016:

Les do you have wring chart W5495 36 42 ?–
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Craig, the link doesn’t talk to the DL3A motor that was fitted to LHD
'68 S1.5 cars, and that’s what I and probably you, have.


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I have the S1.5 chart that’s correct for my car in so far as it
accurately represents the wiring from the motor and what’s on the
switch.On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 1:51 PM, George Camp scjag@juno.com wrote:

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Les do you have wring chart W5495 36 42 ?

The original message included these comments:

Craig, the link doesn’t talk to the DL3A motor that was fitted to LHD
'68 S1.5 cars, and that’s what I and probably you, have.


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In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Wed 16 Nov 2016:

Les just trying to establish a base line to help. Can’t do
that unless we are looking at the same stuff.–
The original message included these comments:

I have the S1.5 chart that’s correct for my car in so far as it
accurately represents the wiring from the motor and what’s on the
switch.


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Understood and appreciated George. My baseline is that the diagram I’m using how it is on my car, as it relates to the wiper type and switch wiring. By this I assume and hope that the rest of the diagram is correct for my car.Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 17, 2016, at 11:31 AM, George Camp scjag@juno.com wrote:

In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Wed 16 Nov 2016:

Les just trying to establish a base line to help. Can’t do
that unless we are looking at the same stuff.

The original message included these comments:

I have the S1.5 chart that’s correct for my car in so far as it
accurately represents the wiring from the motor and what’s on the
switch.


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In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Thu 17 Nov 2016:

So Les why not just look at the reg. number in the lower
right corner? It should be the number I gave ya!–
The original message included these comments:

Understood and appreciated George. My baseline is that the diagram I’m using how it is on my car, as it relates to the wiper type and switch wiring. By this I assume and hope that the rest of the diagram is correct for my car.


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Because the copy I’m using is a file I printed and there’s no such
number on it. The one in the Bentley manual is too poor to read, and
anyway, my printed version is in color.On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:23 PM, George Camp scjag@juno.com wrote:

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So Les why not just look at the reg. number in the lower
right corner? It should be the number I gave ya!

The original message included these comments:

Understood and appreciated George. My baseline is that the diagram I’m using how it is on my car, as it relates to the wiper type and switch wiring. By this I assume and hope that the rest of the diagram is correct for my car.


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Need some help, read the various posts on the wiring for the e type 1.5 series wipers, but mine seems to have slightly different colours from the wiper motor.

The wipers aren’t working and I’d like to check the wiring first

Few points:

  1. It’s one of those strange DL3A LHD, with three wires from the motor, 4-connections on the switch and two speed wipers
  2. on the 4 connection switch
    1 - Green / Brown
    2 - Black which goes to earth
    3 - Yellow / Green
    4 - Red / Green
  3. On the motor there are 3 wires - which are Yellow, Red and Brown - currently they are connected to
    Yellow on motor to Green / Blue. — this can’t be right ?
    Red on motor to Green Brown
    Brown had come out of the connection but I’m guessing this should go to Green which has 12v power

On the switch non of the connections appear to be ganged together.

Please can someone help before I go mad :slight_smile: