[E-Type] Subframe structure vs aircraft structure!

I was examining the engine support framework on a single engine
turbo prop and realized that the 'subframe’engine support structure
was almost identical to that on the e type.Interesting but not
surprising since the e type was at least partially designed by
aircraft engineers.–
Peter Willetts 62 OTS
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In reply to a message from PeteWilletts sent Sat 17 Aug 2013:

That’s an interesting insight and reminds me of my first
experiences with my E-Type and aircraft maintenance 36
years ago.
I was a fairly new aircraft mechanic in the RCAF working on
Sea King helicopters and had just bought my car. I was
adept at lockwiring since EVERYTHING on this old technology
helicopter was lockwired. I was only a little surprised to
find lockwire on the cam sprocket bolts when doing my first
valve adjustment and having just finished reading a book
about Jaguar surmised the same as you; that aircraft
designers used similar methods on the car they’d built.
A lot of my fasteners have been replaced with aircraft
grade cross-drilled ones because not only do they look cool
(most are 12-point heads) I love the look of lockwired
fasteners.–
1968 Series 1 1/2 OTS
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
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In reply to a message from Bent Bob sent Sat 17 Aug 2013:

‘‘Jaguar had been involved in aircraft fuselage and wing work during
the war and learnt valuable new techniques from this experience.
Above all, Sayer came from the aircraft industry.’’

p 27, Jaguar E-type The Definitive History, Philip Porter.–
Nick Saltarelli - 1968 E-type S1� OTS, 1954 XK120SE OTS
Niagara, Ontario, Canada
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In reply to a message from Nick S. sent Sat 17 Aug 2013:

…and in yet another of those links I find so neat…
I discovered a plaque in our local RCAF Association hall
from Jaguar to the airmen from New Brunswick (Canada) in
recognition of those who maintained and flew spitfires
manufactured at Bromwich Castle by Jaguar workers during
the war. It listed a number of RCAF Squadrons including
the one I’m now serving with (403 Sqn). An inquiry to the
Jag heritage trust confirmed that many of the people who
built Spits where still working at the Coventry plant when
my car was made (1968). It’s somewhat humbling to think
that one of those initials I’ve carefully preserved in my
car may also have been scrawled on a bulkhead of a Spitfire
that a former Squadron ‘oily-rag’ saw while fixing it all
those years ago.–
1968 Series 1 1/2 OTS
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
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In reply to a message from PeteWilletts sent Sat 17 Aug 2013:

…and if you ever have the opportunity to look under the skin of a
Spitfire, you will see a tubular framework bolted to the firewall
to support the 27 liter Merlin engine looking very much like the
Jaguar arrangement. In fact, there is at least one Spitfire replica
built with a Jag V12 engine.–
PKN
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In reply to a message from Bent Bob sent Sat 17 Aug 2013:

Sadly, Castle Bromwich was nothing to do with Jaguar during
WWII. The Jaguar association with airframe construction was at
Foleshill ,( and it was not Spitfire frames which they built ,
but centre sections for Whitley bombers, wing sections for
Stirling bombers, and later repair of airframes. Castle
Bromwich site was only taken over by Jaguar in about 1980 ;
during WWII it was operated by Vickers Armstrong/ Supermarine
( see Sigh for a Merlin by Alex Henshaw, who was the chief
Test Pilot for Spitfires at CB)–
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manufactured at Bromwich Castle by Jaguar workers during
the war. It listed a number of RCAF Squadrons including
Jag heritage trust confirmed that many of the people who
built Spits where still working at the Coventry plant when


christopher storey
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In reply to a message from christopher storey sent Sun 18 Aug 2013:

Here’s a couple of photos of the plaque…

http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=1376825258

My email from the heritage trust (which I’m still looking
for) stated that many of the workers from the Coventry plant
worked at the Bromwich Castle plant during the war.–
1968 Series 1 1/2 OTS
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
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In reply to a message from Bent Bob sent Sun 18 Aug 2013:

I don’t want to puncture people’s illusions but factual
accuracy in history is important or it becomes totally
distorted

  1. Castle Bromwich ( not Bromwich Castle which does not
    exist as a place ) is on the eastern outskirts of
    Birmingham and about 18 miles by road from either of
    Jaguar’s Coventry plants ( Foleshill and later from 1949
    Brown’s Lane )

  2. The shadow factory built just before WWII was operated
    initially by Morris Motors, and then after William Morris
    fell out with Beaverbrook who was appointed as Minister for
    Aircraft Production, by Vickers Armstrongs and Supermarine,
    Supermarine’s factory in the Isle of Wight having been
    bombed

3.After the war, the factory was taken over by Pressed
Steel who made car bodies

  1. Jaguar had no connection at all with CB until 1977 ,
    and the likelihood of any workers, let alone many workers,
    travelling 18 miles to Jaguar at Coventry ( regarded in
    England as a very large distance at a time when most people
    travelled by bus or pushbike ) was remote when there was
    employment on the doorstep . Equally, 32 years on from the
    end of the war, a survivor of the Vickers time being taken
    over by Jaguar at CB is at best a remote possibility

It’s all a nice idea, but unlikely to have any substance–
christopher storey
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Here’s good information…scan down to the narrative about planes
and car production…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_BromwichOn Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:05 AM, christopher storey cstoreyqc@aol.com wrote:

In reply to a message from Bent Bob sent Sun 18 Aug 2013:

I don’t want to puncture people’s illusions but factual
accuracy in history is important or it becomes totally
distorted

  1. Castle Bromwich ( not Bromwich Castle which does not
    exist as a place ) is on the eastern outskirts of
    Birmingham and about 18 miles by road from either of
    Jaguar’s Coventry plants ( Foleshill and later from 1949
    Brown’s Lane )

  2. The shadow factory built just before WWII was operated
    initially by Morris Motors, and then after William Morris
    fell out with Beaverbrook who was appointed as Minister for
    Aircraft Production, by Vickers Armstrongs and Supermarine,
    Supermarine’s factory in the Isle of Wight having been
    bombed

3.After the war, the factory was taken over by Pressed
Steel who made car bodies

  1. Jaguar had no connection at all with CB until 1977 ,
    and the likelihood of any workers, let alone many workers,
    travelling 18 miles to Jaguar at Coventry ( regarded in
    England as a very large distance at a time when most people
    travelled by bus or pushbike ) was remote when there was
    employment on the doorstep . Equally, 32 years on from the
    end of the war, a survivor of the Vickers time being taken
    over by Jaguar at CB is at best a remote possibility

It’s all a nice idea, but unlikely to have any substance

christopher storey
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Les…'68 S1.5 2+2


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More info…

http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=103&i=21905On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Les Halls <@Les_Halls1> wrote:

Here’s good information…scan down to the narrative about planes
and car production…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Bromwich

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:05 AM, christopher storey cstoreyqc@aol.com wrote:

In reply to a message from Bent Bob sent Sun 18 Aug 2013:

I don’t want to puncture people’s illusions but factual
accuracy in history is important or it becomes totally
distorted

  1. Castle Bromwich ( not Bromwich Castle which does not
    exist as a place ) is on the eastern outskirts of
    Birmingham and about 18 miles by road from either of
    Jaguar’s Coventry plants ( Foleshill and later from 1949
    Brown’s Lane )

  2. The shadow factory built just before WWII was operated
    initially by Morris Motors, and then after William Morris
    fell out with Beaverbrook who was appointed as Minister for
    Aircraft Production, by Vickers Armstrongs and Supermarine,
    Supermarine’s factory in the Isle of Wight having been
    bombed

3.After the war, the factory was taken over by Pressed
Steel who made car bodies

  1. Jaguar had no connection at all with CB until 1977 ,
    and the likelihood of any workers, let alone many workers,
    travelling 18 miles to Jaguar at Coventry ( regarded in
    England as a very large distance at a time when most people
    travelled by bus or pushbike ) was remote when there was
    employment on the doorstep . Equally, 32 years on from the
    end of the war, a survivor of the Vickers time being taken
    over by Jaguar at CB is at best a remote possibility

It’s all a nice idea, but unlikely to have any substance

christopher storey
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Les…'68 S1.5 2+2


Les…'68 S1.5 2+2


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In reply to a message from Les Halls sent Mon 19 Aug 2013:

Thanks for those links Les…and restoring my faith.
My life is mostly mundane crap except for the bright spot
that is my E-Type hobby. Having someone take that away is a
real kick in the n*ts.–
1968 Series 1 1/2 OTS
Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada
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