[jag-news-discussion] Nex Jaguar XF

Is this it?

http://www.autointernationaal.nl/artikel.php?id=3092&n=3

Only recognisable design feature is the XJ sgape radiator grill and
the lines in the bonnet. Hope some changes will be made for the
production model …

Cheers,–
Pim, 1968 Sovereign, http://www.vanderschaafonline.nl
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Possibly, but probably not. I use the artist’s conceptions of the S-type as
a guide. They were way off the mark. The only model that had pictures that
were close to the final product was the XK8, but that’s because someone
purloined some early sketches of the car from the factory design studio.

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson
'52 XK120 S673129, '59 Mk1, '84,'85,'86 &'95 XJ6-----Original Message-----
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Schaaf
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Subject: [jag-news-discussion] Nex Jaguar XF

Is this it?

http://www.autointernationaal.nl/artikel.php?id=3092&n=3

Only recognisable design feature is the XJ sgape radiator grill and the
lines in the bonnet. Hope some changes will be made for the production model

Cheers,

Pim, 1968 Sovereign, http://www.vanderschaafonline.nl Rotterdam, Netherlands
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In reply to a message from Mark Stephenson sent Sat 23 Dec 2006:

It’s quite close to the launch date, so it would not surprise me if
it actually looked like this. It would actually disappoint me …

Cheers,–
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Possibly, but probably not. I use the artist’s conceptions of the S-type as


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Pim,

The S-type guesses were actually quite close to its launch date, too. And
these guys had spy photos to work from. There were some good pictures of the
camouflaged cars that outlined the basic body shape. Everyone was trying to
guess what the S-type looked like underneath the canvas and screwed-on
panels. The biggest mistake the guessers made was the front end. They were
all over the map. I remember someone posted a link to one that they dubbed
the “barbecue grille.” It was hideous. The final product looked far better
than any of the guesses.

At this point, AFAIK no one has any spy photos of the XF, otherwise they’d
have been published. What the mags have been doing is taking styling cues
from Ian Callum’s previous designs, picking up on some if his design
philosophy (such as coming up with a distinct marque identity, specifically
the grille) and pasting them together to create this car. “Conceptions” have
been lifted from the R Coupe, the RD-6, and Callum’s earlier designs. In
this case, they have Porsched the XK body shape into a 4-door, taken
Callum’s concept of an instantly recognizable Jaguar grille, and morphed the
X350 grille to the XF.

Thank goodness these “artists” aren’t designers. Remember, too, that
publishers are in the business to make money and that a nearly baseless
creation of what some geek with a computer and 3D rendering software thinks
the XF will look like, stirs controversy, brings attention, and sells
magazines. In short, don’t get exorcised about anything you see in a
magazine, unless it’s specifically stated to be an actual, undoctored
photograph.

I can guarantee one thing. This car is not going to look like a traditional
Jaguar. It will be as different from the current saloon line-up as the XK120
was from the x.5L Saloons and SS100, or the E-type from the Mark 1, IX, and
XK150. If it’s not, I’ll be the one who’s disappointed. In fact, even if the
design takes “a little getting used to,” I’ll be less disappointed by that
than another one of the endless variations on a stale theme.

Jaguar needs re-inventing. Ever since Sir William left the day-to-day
operations of the company, design has fallen into a state of conservatism.
It’s almost as if they feel that he had an unarticulated magic formula from
which they couldn’t depart. I don’t blame this on the designers, but
marketing, which has trumped design since Ford’s takeover. What they failed
to recognize was that Lyons’ formula was change – radical, redefining
change – every decade or so, to something completely, jaw-droppingly new.
1948, 1961, 1975. For the saloons, it was a bit less radical but still
redefining: 1951 (Mk7), 1961 (Mk 10), 1968 (XJ). And what since? Nada. It’s
been evolutionary.

The most tranquil seas mean the boat’s not rocking. It also means one isn’t
going anywhere. Jaguar and Ford management have not wanted to rock the
Jaguar boat for about three decades. The marque loyalists are those of us
who remember when the boat wasn’t just rocked, but taken out and sunk so a
totally new one could be built. It’s human nature that the people who
remember the last redesign express a fondness or even a preference for what
would soon be the old design. Extend that long enough, though, and you end
up with an “old man’s car” (to tie into a recent thread). I have no doubt
that there will be people who won’t like Ian Callum’s redefinition of
Jaguar, but remember that a new generation of enthusiasts is going to
re-evaluate Jaguar based on his creations. It really doesn’t matter what we
think, because Jaguar hasn’t been surviving rather poorly on our loyalty.
What matters is if heads that have not been turned by the last thirty years
of Jaguars are turned by the XF.

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson
'52 XK120 S673129, '59 Mk1, '84,'85,'86 &'95 XJ6-----Original Message-----
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Schaaf
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Subject: RE: [jag-news-discussion] Nex Jaguar XF

In reply to a message from Mark Stephenson sent Sat 23 Dec 2006:

It’s quite close to the launch date, so it would not surprise me if it
actually looked like this. It would actually disappoint me …

Cheers,

The original message included these comments:

Possibly, but probably not. I use the artist’s conceptions of the
S-type as


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In reply to a message from Mark Stephenson sent Tue 26 Dec 2006:

I wonder if the new XF is going to look anything like the
quick but fantastic sketch Ian Callum did for me while at
Braselton last year. The boxed backside and other aspects
are similar to these … :->–
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I can guarantee one thing. This car is not going to look like a traditional
Jaguar. It will be as different from the current saloon line-up as the XK120


Ginger, 1971 SIII 2+2, 1966 SI OTS
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Mark,
I snipped just a bit of your post but really I agree with your entire
post and couldn’t have said it better.

I can guarantee one thing. This car is not going to look like a traditional
Jaguar. It will be as different from the current saloon line-up as the
XK120
was from the x.5L Saloons and SS100, or the E-type from the Mark 1, IX, and
XK150. If it’s not, I’ll be the one who’s disappointed. In fact, even if
the
design takes “a little getting used to,” I’ll be less disappointed by that
than another one of the endless variations on a stale theme…

Chris Burdo, Norwich, CT, USA
1964 3.8S(MOD)OSJR Inspired,1959 XK150 FHC
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In reply to a message from Mark Stephenson sent Tue 26 Dec 2006:

I guess the pictures are official then. I think the new Jaguar
looks too much like the Aston Rapide:

http://www.jag-lovers.org/v.htm?1167831267

I agree that Jaguar needs reinventing, I don’t think copying Aston
Martin is the way to go. Sharing a platform doesn’t mean the cars
should look the same. Just like the XK8/DB7, they are too much look-
alikes.

Cheers,–
The original message included these comments:

The S-type guesses were actually quite close to its launch date, too. And
I can guarantee one thing. This car is not going to look like a traditional
Jaguar. It will be as different from the current saloon line-up as the XK120
Jaguar needs re-inventing. Ever since Sir William left the day-to-day


Pim, 1968 Sovereign, http://www.vanderschaafonline.nl
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In reply to a message from Pim van der Schaaf sent Sat 23 Dec 2006:

The dice (dies) are already cast, no doubt. If the renderings are
close, I will have to reprogram myself to say ‘‘Jaguar’’, not ‘‘Volvo’’
when I see the new one from the front.
I agree with the point that change is needed for progress. I hope
Jaguar are able to steam ahead.
Since Aston Martin is for sale, does that affect the Rapide, and
the collaboration?
Phil 72 2+2 84 VdP–
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In reply to a message from Pim van der Schaaf sent Wed 3 Jan 2007:

I guess the pictures are official then. I think the new
Jaguar looks too much like the Aston Rapide:

http://www.jag-lovers.org/v.htm?1167831267

That’s like faulting a woman for being too like Jessica
Alba or Scarlette Johanson. Which is not a fault.

Nice aston martin looking car for < $100K? I’m in line
already. But I don’t like the grilles that have been
proposed.
or the interior.

btw i’m in jaguars new target market 26yo just up and coming
now.–
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In reply to a message from Pim van der Schaaf sent Wed 3 Jan 2007:

I take back part of what I said. I looked at the interior
pictures of the XF. Hideous. Like the owner of a honda
civic with wing on the back went to town. Just, horrible.

If they manage to fix the interior, and produce a manual
version, it should turn out to be a good car.–
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In reply to a message from Pim van der Schaaf sent Sat 23 Dec 2006:

Well, they made changes but not for the better … those head
lights …–
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the lines in the bonnet. Hope some changes will be made for the
production model …


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In reply to a message from Pim van der Schaaf sent Sat 23 Dec 2006:

Looks like a Volvo to me.–
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Is this it?


Pete 70 XKE (193K) 88 XJ6 (241K) 88 XJ6 (230K) 60 Mini
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In reply to a message from Jaguarpete sent Sun 2 Sep 2007:

Guys

If you go to:-
http://www.autocarmagazine.co.uk/VideosWallpapers/Videos.aspx?
AR=227512&CT=V

there is a video and an interveiw with Ian Callum. What you see is
what you’re gonna get.

Pim, I thought Lexus

Art–
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Looks like a Volvo to me.


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In reply to a message from ARTIEFARTY sent Mon 3 Sep 2007:

This is what got emailed to me the other day:

http://www.jaguarusa.com/us/en/xf/preview/preview.htm?sReferrer=eNewsletter_Aug_Prospect_20070911--
Orsmo
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Geeee: it look like a really juiced up TYPE-X-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 5:58 PM
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In reply to a message from ARTIEFARTY sent Mon 3 Sep 2007:

This is what got emailed to me the other day:

http://www.jaguarusa.com/us/en/xf/preview/preview.htm?sReferrer=eNewsletter_
Aug_Prospect_20070911

Orsmo
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In reply to a message from Louis McMahon sent Thu 13 Sep 2007:

What a major disappointment! That car is boring looking.
Honestly, I feel ashamed to call it a Jaguar. I hadn’t seen pics
of it until they started debating it on my Mopar website. Most of
them (meaning people who are not Jag fanatics like us) don’t like
it either.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?
Cat=0&Board=Test&Number=3952568&page=0&fpart=all

Brett
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In reply to a message from wylde8 sent Thu 15 Nov 2007:

Looks like base price is $49,000 usd.–
Orsmo
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In reply to a message from Pim van der Schaaf sent Sun 2 Sep 2007:

What does it take to satisfy the critics ?? Something from
Japan maybe !!–
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In reply to a message from Sunny sent Tue 12 Feb 2008:

Saw a TV commercial for the XF this morning on CNN Headline News.
The style of the ad was much like the ‘‘gorgeous’’ ads they ran last
year, but didn’t see the word gorgeous. (I was making my lunch at
the time, so I missed the first several seconds)

I haven’t seen an XF in the flesh, I hope it looks better in
person…–
Nick Neureuter
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In reply to a message from Orsmo sent Fri 8 Feb 2008:

Wow.

Has anyone seen the latest online XF brochure?

http://jaguar.tagworldwide.com/xf/100/xf100_en_GB.php?
route=_uk_en_xf_models_models_XF_collection@__link__FlashGraphicProm
o_2

I am in love. There is drool all over my keyboard.

r04drunner1–

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