Parts for Lock BD.4360 are difficult to find, but gradually some parts “pop up” from various suppliers. Yes, you can order a complete and new replacement lock, but this is a modern version that doesn’t resemble the old one at all. But better something than nothing at all…
The above picture shows what is available (at least in Europe): chromed housing for lock BD.13256 (Coventry) and Spring Clip Lock to Door BD.8071 (Barratt). The Wilmot Breeden barrel (does anyone know the original WB.1/ 6xxx number? Cannot find it.) is still missing but old parts can sometimes be found at auto-jumbles, shows etc.
What is more difficult is the Return Spring (no number known) and also difficult to reproduce. Has anyone found a supplier for these “flat torsion springs” with an ID of about 1/2 "?
I just installed it in my Mark V a couple weeks ago, and as I pushed it in, the return spring end popped out of the hole, so it doesn’t return. I have to remove it to fix it. I think I have to bend the spring end a little more.
So the Mk V had a Barrel coded BD.3039 for the Petrol Filler Lock. Jaguar indicates WB.7/2420 as the corresponding Wilmot Breeden part number and this Barrel uses an FNR key. Is the XK 120 Petrol Filler Lock identical or even better could we use that Barrel number for the XK 120 as well?
Reason I ask is that the complete Lock Assembly for the XK 120 was coded BD.3640 (so a later number than BD.3039 for the Barrel). Can one of you confirm that part number BD.3640 as well (may be also listed in the J.11 price list)?
I guess (the often referred to) Petrol Filler Lock Assembly BD.4360 was probably introduced in the reprint of the XK 120 SPC as issued in 1958 and is in fact the XK 140 version of the same lock.
The Mk V SPC also refers to a “Return Spring for Lock” BD.2165 but that probably refers to the earlier MkV door locks BD.2129 and/or BD.2883. Did these Mk V door locks possibly have a similar construction as the lock for the “Petrol Filler Lid” and used the same return spring?
Looking at my J.11 again it occurs to me now I may have muddied the waters.
The page above that I photographed is from J.12 Master Parts Price List thats in the same binder as my J.11. Am I correct in thinking that in fact applies to all available parts across all Jaguars models at that point in time?
I can confirm that both these parts numbers match those of the MK7
I have a few petrol filler caps, and a big bunch of keys
Although it may be of little interest to XK folk, I also have all the parts required to repair a MK7 filler box, which are notorious for getting a blocked drain hole, then water sits in the filler box, and rots the hinge (in a vehicle that has been allowed to sit outside neglected for any amount of time)
It appears these part numbers are not the same as XK120, (as one would expect), although a similar problem may exist on XK (I know it does on later saloons such as MKX and XJ)
I thought I read the number 17 on the opposite side and thought that would be number FNR17 which key number is also used on the XK 120. I do have another FA barrel in stock. Sorry for the inconvenience.
wire diameter is .034 inches
spring ID is .579 inches
wrapped around nearly 2-1/2 times or 890 degrees (2-1/2 coils)
right hand winding
both ends bent up away from the spring flat
one end bent up .094 inches to hook into the lock body
other end bent up .125 inches and then bent again .125 inches to hook into the lock tab
Springs are usually made of what is known in the trade as music wire
Amazon has music wire if you want to try making it yourself, wrapping it around a 1/2" bar.
McMaster-Carr has a pretty good assortment and some explanation of spring design.
Thanks for the excellent description of the Return Spring. So, may we assume now that the XK 120 (and 140 and 150) used this Return Spring BD.2165? All dimensions seem to fit w.r.t. the complete BD.3640 or the later BD.4360 Petrol Filler Lock.
However, I see that your last 2 pictures show a lock that has a slightly different lever/cam than mine (see pic below). But also the Lock shown by Viart in his sketch has yet another cam.
Or are your pictures referring to the original Jaguar Mk V Petrol Filler Lid Lock?
The Lock shown by Viart (see also the sketch in my first contribution) may refer to the original XK 120 Lock with Jaguar part number BD.3640 whereas mine is the later (XK 140 introduced?) Lock BD.4360… In short: still some (or many) questions.
Just to understand your question to Rob: is this the original Lock that was on your 1949 XK 120? Or is this already a later (modified) replacement lock with the large nut (similar to the modern replacements: see pic below)?
My guess is that the torsion spring would be the same for all versions.
The different tabs presumably account for the different assembly part numbers, and can easily be changed.
Mike’s has a threaded nut, so is a different body altogether.
Early MK7 item, probably a '51, sorry about the poor photo
seems to be the same
Its a BD.3640
which brings me to the question of keys
I do not know what combo of keys Jaguar used to operate the various locks
I would have maybe 50 keys
Is it correct that they had only a very limited number of key combos (like some other cars)
ie only half a dozen or so different cuts
I watched a Youtube, it was those Pakistani guys, they super specialise in every aspect of auto repair. I watched a guy do a lock in amazingly quick time, using all the spare parts he had to make it match the key
My photo is of the original BD3640 lock removed from 670088. I have 2 different replacements (repros) from Happich and Ashwater but would like to find an original replacement for my other alloy car.
The locks generally had just a 1, 2 or 3 numeral code stamped on them.
The keys had letter codes to indicate the cross sectional shape, MRN, FA, FNR, FP etc.
FNR ran from 1 to 25
FP ran from 650 to 675
FW ran from 500 to 525
Well, something like that anyway.
In the US there is a shop called Triple-C that sells keys and will probably buy any old orphan Wilmot Breeden Union keys.