[Lumps!] Listen up you guys

Lumps
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As some of you know I am prepping my 86 VDP for new paint. Doing a
complete ‘‘strip the car to bare metal’’ routine. Some say ‘‘Aw she’ll
be right mate’’ Just paint over the checked paint - ignore the
unusual stuff’ Yeah well,…dream on … So I had these strange rust
blemishes coming through the paint on the outer rear ‘‘flank’’ over
the rear passenger wheel. Do I putty the hell out of it, or find
out what the real problem is? So I got the dremel tool out and
fired it up. Well folks… here is the heads up warning for all of
you people thinking of popping several thousand bucks into a nice
paint job. My car had leaks at the corners of the both the front
and rear glass. Never suspected that the rear glass leak allowed
water to gain entry to the rear bulkhead panel and remain there
trapped until I came along with my dremel tool to see why the thing
was rusting. These cars are a series of boxes welded together and
therein lies the problem. If water gets into one of these boxes and
dribbles down to a point where it can not exit… SO if you are
going to do paintwork, I would recommend that you remove the gas
tanks and peer up into the cavity just forward of the location
where the tank neck goes through the body, there you will be able
to see the inside of the rear flank and any rust starting. I would
go so far as to recommend a good sized hole about 2 inches wide be
made to spray some sort of rust preventative stuff into the cavity
that exists in front of the rear bulkhead and then install one of
these rubber body plugs. The inner forward wheel well is the floor
of this cavity, and the bulkhead is the rear wall, while the
portion of the body that you see when the rear seats are removed
form the upper inside ‘‘wall’’ So if the back window leaks, and you
have water on the floor under the rear seats, there probably is
rust between the outer fender and the inner bulkhead support
waiting to come through your new shiney paint. So I have posted
some pics in the Photo album section under ‘‘86 VDP rescued’’ FWIW–
Alyn
Seattle WA, United States
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In reply to a message from Alyn sent Thu 18 Jan 2007:

Same here - I had ONE visible peice of perforation rust in a door
bottom corner, and upong fuller inspection the car was quite bad.
Cost me $13k for a bare metal strip down, new metal and 2 pac paint
job. The car was worth maybe $10k max overall when I’d finished
and by that stage I had $10k in engine, $2k in clutch and 'box, and
the fore-mentioned $13k in paint sunk into it. No-one should
pretend doing these things up is a rational excercise.

Cheers, Andrew Robertson, New Zealand
Xj 383, Xj 454TT–
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fired it up. Well folks… here is the heads up warning for all of
you people thinking of popping several thousand bucks into a nice
paint job. My car had leaks at the corners of the both the front

–
Andrew Robertson
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In reply to a message from Andrew Robertson sent Thu 18 Jan 2007:

They defenately are NOT a good investment…from a finacial
standpoint.–
Rob Wade
Windsor Ontario, Canada
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In reply to a message from Rob Wade sent Thu 18 Jan 2007:

Andrew:

Very few cars are a good financial investment, unless you are in
the car business and can buy cheap, spend cheap & sell high!!

You can buy a car as a tool. That is the one that will deliver the
minimum comfort and appearance level that you will accept at the
least cost per mile. Spend as little as possible, prepare to drive
it till it drops, then shoot it!

Or, as entertainment, pleasure, agrandizement, ego or almost
anything else. Then you pick a car and spend/work on it to bring it
to the level that is satisfying and enjoy it. These are our cars.

In respect the rust issue, repair it, delay it or tolerate it,
again to your individual level of acceptance.

Our old 79 IHC Scout II had rust above the rear wheels and in the
floor boards. I fixed the floor boards and tolerated the rust above
the wheel on one quarter. It came to us two years old from
Colorado. I knew that the rust would likely not progreess much
here. It did not! Shiny orange with white spoke wheels and twin
spot lights. Our kids called it the pumpkin. It served us well in
many endeavours. Good purchase price. Poor body from the beginning,
drive train tough as nails! (gas shortage-gas hog)., May be I got
both!

The Jaguar stayed home yesterday. Black ice! We saw two victims
that went off the road. One in a notoriusly badly engineered local
turn!
At one spot the car in front of us fish tailed but recovered. We
got a little rear slip out. but recovered as well.

JEEP did the work! Got a good deal. Take care of it and get good
reliable performance at a reasonable cost!!e

Carl–
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They defenately are NOT a good investment…from a finacial
standpoint.

–
Carl Hutchins
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In reply to a message from cadjag sent Thu 18 Jan 2007:

Bah, that’s no excuse! I LOVE driving mine in the snow/ice that’s
poppued up the last few weeks in Seattle. It’s so fun to be able to
let the rear get a little out there, then reign it back in.
Although I must admit once I was going a little too fast, and let
the rear get a little too out there, and then I almost pulled a 360
and ended up on the wrong side of the road… Nothing bad happened,
it was just a rather exciting little move. I’m just glad no police
were around to see me being excited!–
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The Jaguar stayed home yesterday. Black ice! We saw two victims

–
Black On Black 1972 Jaguar XJ6 Powered by A Chevy 350
Seattle, WA, United States
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In reply to a message from vaughn_kiefe sent Fri 19 Jan 2007:

Vaughn:

I am glad you didn’t go off the road. Then hurt car, hurt people
and the police!

Ice & snow on the roads are one thing. but those patches of black
ice are trouble!!

Nah, the JEEP does it better!!

Jaguar was out in the warm sun today, us too, Much better!

Carl–
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Bah, that’s no excuse! I LOVE driving mine in the snow/ice that’s
poppued up the last few weeks in Seattle. It’s so fun to be able to
let the rear get a little out there, then reign it back in.
Although I must admit once I was going a little too fast, and let
the rear get a little too out there, and then I almost pulled a 360
and ended up on the wrong side of the road… Nothing bad happened,
it was just a rather exciting little move. I’m just glad no police
were around to see me being excited!

–
Carl Hutchins
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In reply to a message from cadjag sent Fri 19 Jan 2007:

This is the first winter in years I haven’t had some type of
Land Rover to put into service in place of my ‘‘fun’’ cars, so
the Jag is getting quite a winter workout. I LOVE driving my
Jag in the snow. All-season tires, 100 pounds of sand in the
trunk and put her in Second gear. It’s not going to win a
drag race, but I haven’t gotten stuck yet. When the snow
gets too deep, I get out the big gun - my wife’s Excursion.
I’ve always preferred RWD to FWD. Steer with the throttle!
We’ve had 5 weeks of ice/snow on the roads (which is very
unusual for the Colroado Front Range), so I’ve had plenty of
fun in the Jag. I test drove a new MINI Cooper S the other
day and the FWD with all the stability control/anti-slide
electronics was awfully bizarre! (Darn fun car, though –
nearly as much as my 1967 Cooper.) The downfalls to the Jag
in winter are: It hasn’t gotten much above freezing for
weeks, and I don’t imagine it’s EVER been -15 degrees in
Coventry, as the heater is more of a ‘‘non-freezer’’ at that
point. Also, the door handles (Series II) are always frozen,
the power steering rack leaks when it’s below 0 and the
long-low slung beast has minimal ground clearance. Fun in
the snow, but I’m ready for spring!–
Jag11
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In reply to a message from cadjag sent Fri 19 Jan 2007:

They are, mostly because you don’t see them coming!

Jag11 I feel your pain. My locks have frozen a bunch of time this
winter. For some odd reason my passenger door never freezes over,
but the drivers side does all the time. I think maybe it’s because
the passenger side faces the rising sun in the morning so the
little bit of heat from the sun unfreezes it or something.

My ONLY, and I mean that literally, complaint about the car is the
heater. It takes awhile to defrost everything, which can be a pain
when you need to get on the road. Aside from that I love everything
about my car.–
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Ice & snow on the roads are one thing. but those patches of black
ice are trouble!!

–
Black On Black 1972 Jaguar XJ6 Powered by A Chevy 350
Seattle, WA, United States
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