[modern] alternator woes... and now sls fails! =(

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why is this happening?

while the shop was trying to deal with the alternator, they found a leak
in our sls system… it appears one of the rear shocks is hemmoraging
internally. i thought it was okay, but i was taken out in another jag
that was in the shop and it’s noticably obvious that ours is dying.

i’m now told for a boge conversion, with springs for the rear is going
to cost me ~$700usd in taxes/parts/4 hours labor… is this good or
bad?

while i’m at it… is there other alternatives or aftermarket options?
xjr suspension perhaps? =)

as for the alternator… the noise is now intermittent, and when warmed
up fully it’s completely gone. but if you start the car cold after a few
days of being parked it comes back. they’re telling me to save my money
and leave it for now… argh.

ben

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Hi Ben

i’m now told for a boge conversion, with springs for the rear is going
to cost me ~$700usd in taxes/parts/4 hours labor… is this good or
bad?

I’d say that’s a pretty fair price. The parts alone are around $500 or so.

Kevin
93 XJ6 51K
Bothell, WA

3

Ben,
The price for the shock conversion is good!
Be sure to have them grease the upper spring isolators while fitting
the new shocks.
Be sure they are going to put new springs on…cant reuse the old ones
and have a good ride.
I would go with the standard suspension, but use Bilstein shocks if
you like a firmer ride…from what I have heard, the boges are a bit
softer than the Bilsteins.

I still think your alternator is fine, and you have belt problems.
The battery is low after the car sits, and puts a load on the alternator
when you first start the engine.
Next time, turn your lights on before starting the engine…if the
noise is worse, its surely the belt adjustment…

If it IS a bearing in the alternator, you can replace it, or clean
and grease it…they do come apart for service you know…
(alternators and bearings)
But a bad bearing would likely make more noise as it got hot.

Could also be the AC belt if the system is on when you start the engine…

Brett
1990 XJ6
…Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 11:08:59 -0700
From: Benjamin Tang bentang@intergate.bc.ca
Subject: [modern] alternator woes… and now sls fails! =(
Sender: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org
To: "Modern@jag-lovers.org" Modern@jag-lovers.org

why is this happening?

while the shop was trying to deal with the alternator, they found a leak
in our sls system… it appears one of the rear shocks is hemmoraging
internally. i thought it was okay, but i was taken out in another jag
that was in the shop and it’s noticably obvious that ours is dying.

i’m now told for a boge conversion, with springs for the rear is going
to cost me ~$700usd in taxes/parts/4 hours labor… is this good or
bad?

while i’m at it… is there other alternatives or aftermarket options?
xjr suspension perhaps? =)

as for the alternator… the noise is now intermittent, and when warmed
up fully it’s completely gone. but if you start the car cold after a few
days of being parked it comes back. they’re telling me to save my money
and leave it for now… argh.

ben

4

Brett Gazdzinski wrote:

Ben,
The price for the shock conversion is good!
Be sure to have them grease the upper spring isolators while fitting
the new shocks.
Be sure they are going to put new springs on…cant reuse the old ones
and have a good ride.
I would go with the standard suspension, but use Bilstein shocks if
you like a firmer ride…from what I have heard, the boges are a bit
softer than the Bilsteins.

the kit they are offering is from jaguar. springs are included. they said the
brand was boge?

I still think your alternator is fine, and you have belt problems.
The battery is low after the car sits, and puts a load on the alternator
when you first start the engine.
Next time, turn your lights on before starting the engine…if the
noise is worse, its surely the belt adjustment…

the belt was replaced, and the noise still persists. the battery is showing
full charge at the moment… but you did mention a good point. the car does
not come out all the time… mostly a fairweather car, and with the awful
winter and the spring rain it hasn’t seen much action until now. very
distressing…

i am unable to turn the lights off because of the mandatory canadian drl
system… btw, if anyone knows how to kill that bloody system, please let me
know?

If it IS a bearing in the alternator, you can replace it, or clean
and grease it…they do come apart for service you know…
(alternators and bearings)
But a bad bearing would likely make more noise as it got hot.

Could also be the AC belt if the system is on when you start the engine…

we usually shut off all accessories before startup… learned that the hard
way…

ben

5

Ben,

Try putting on the parking brake to turn off the DRLs, this works on VWs and
GM trucks. My friend just puts it on 1 click so he can drive without the
DRLs. Of course he has to look at the “brake on” light all the time.

Tom Simon
'95 X300-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Tang [mailto:bentang@intergate.bc.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 10:26 AM
Cc: Modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [modern] alternator woes… and now sls fails! =(

i am unable to turn the lights off because of the mandatory canadian drl
system… btw, if anyone knows how to kill that bloody system, please let me
know?

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dosen’t work, at least with ours. the headlights come in the minute you turn the
key to “on”.

ben

“Simon, Tom” wrote:> Ben,

Try putting on the parking brake to turn off the DRLs, this works on VWs and
GM trucks. My friend just puts it on 1 click so he can drive without the
DRLs. Of course he has to look at the “brake on” light all the time.

Tom Simon
'95 X300

-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Tang [mailto:@Benjamin_Tang]
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 10:26 AM
Cc: Modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [modern] alternator woes… and now sls fails! =(

i am unable to turn the lights off because of the mandatory canadian drl
system… btw, if anyone knows how to kill that bloody system, please let me
know?

7

Ben,

the kit they are offering is from jaguar. springs are included. they said the
brand was boge?

Thats a good price then.
See if they can change the shocks to Bilstein,s if you want a firmer
ride.
You can order the shocks from various places and have them fit them
if they will let you.
Both brands are good, but I have been told the Bilsteins are a little
firmer.

the belt was replaced, and the noise still persists. the battery is showing
full charge at the moment… but you did mention a good point. the car does
not come out all the time… mostly a fairweather car, and with the awful
winter and the spring rain it hasn’t seen much action until now. very
distressing…

Well, I would personally check the belt tension, and listen to it when
its making noise…it does not make a lot of sense to have an alternator
bearing problem at such low mileage.

i am unable to turn the lights off because of the mandatory Canadian drl
system… btw, if anyone knows how to kill that bloody system, please let me
know?

Well, the lights on while driving is a good idea for safety…I always
drive the work van with the lights on, and have not had any problems
doing so in 101,000 miles.
(the rest of the van is a mess)

we usually shut off all accessories before startup… learned that the hard
way…

Why?
I don’t always bother.
Its only a little extra load on the charging system…very small compared
to the load of the starter, and the climate control system will not
turn the compressor on until after the engine is running.
I always leave the climate control system on, sometimes turn the radio
off, always turn the lights off before shutting the car off.

ben

Brett
1990 XJ6

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i’ve been slumming on the net… came across this:
http://JAGWEb.com/hbe/index.html

does ne1 have any experience with their products?

thnks

ben

Brett Gazdzinski wrote:> Ben,

the kit they are offering is from jaguar. springs are included. they said the
brand was boge?

Thats a good price then.
See if they can change the shocks to Bilstein,s if you want a firmer
ride.
You can order the shocks from various places and have them fit them
if they will let you.
Both brands are good, but I have been told the Bilsteins are a little
firmer.

9

Ben,

I've got HBE's anti-roll bars on my '91 VDP.

On the upside:

	* helps reduce roll
	* helps turn-in
	* gets rid of understeer

On the downside:

	* a rear bar is not standard.  Their "kit" needed
	  two rear pieces made to weld to the lower a-arms.
	  Seems like they should have come with the kit rather
	  than just a schematic of what needed to be fabricated!
	* as installed, my car has a bit more balance toward
	  oversteer than I think appropriate.  I have not, however,
	  tried to loosen the rear bar or make other fine tuning.

Certainly brings the XJ40 closer to a 740i in handling (also need

some better tires).

Cheers,

Doug-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Benjamin Tang
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 3:50 PM
To: Brett Gazdzinski
Cc: Modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [modern] alternator woes… and now sls fails! =(

i’ve been slumming on the net… came across this:
http://JAGWEb.com/hbe/index.html

does ne1 have any experience with their products?

thnks

ben

Brett Gazdzinski wrote:

Ben,

the kit they are offering is from jaguar. springs are included. they said
the
brand was boge?

Thats a good price then.
See if they can change the shocks to Bilstein,s if you want a firmer
ride.
You can order the shocks from various places and have them fit them
if they will let you.
Both brands are good, but I have been told the Bilsteins are a little
firmer.

10

Ben,

I looked into buying an HBE handling kit a couple of months back.

They have a good reputation for providing kits to quite dramatically
improve the handling of Jaguars.

The kit for the XJ40 basically consists of :

Thicker front Anti-Roll Bar (ARB). 25mm I think (same as sports pack)
to replace the 22 mm standard fitment.
Rear ARB and mounting brackets (weld on). 19mm thick.

4 Koni adjustable dampers

The problem was the price… 880 UKP plus tax (1330 USD).

The thicker front ARB (if you don’t already have it) can be salvaged
from an XJ40 with sportspack suspension or an ‘S’ model.

The rear ARB can be sourced from an XJR… mounting brackets would have
to be cut off the XJR I expect.

The Koni Dampers can be bought for half the cost (try
http://www.shox.com or similar).

An upgrade to sportspack or ‘S’ springs will also compliment the
package, if you can find them !

Regards,

Steve & ‘Archie’ - the LPG '93 3.2____________________________________________________________
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$1330usd! ouch!

and since i don’t live in the uk, i have shipping costs to deal with as
well =(

steve… you mentioned “sportpack suspension” and “s model”… i don’t
believe we got either here where i live (canada). details?

also… what is best? koni, bilstein, or boge?

thanks

ben

Steve wrote:> Ben,

I looked into buying an HBE handling kit a couple of months back.

They have a good reputation for providing kits to quite dramatically
improve the handling of Jaguars.

The kit for the XJ40 basically consists of :

Thicker front Anti-Roll Bar (ARB). 25mm I think (same as sports pack)
to replace the 22 mm standard fitment.
Rear ARB and mounting brackets (weld on). 19mm thick.

4 Koni adjustable dampers

The problem was the price… 880 UKP plus tax (1330 USD).

The thicker front ARB (if you don’t already have it) can be salvaged
from an XJ40 with sportspack suspension or an ‘S’ model.

The rear ARB can be sourced from an XJR… mounting brackets would have
to be cut off the XJR I expect.

The Koni Dampers can be bought for half the cost (try
http://www.shox.com or similar).

An upgrade to sportspack or ‘S’ springs will also compliment the
package, if you can find them !

Regards,

Steve & ‘Archie’ - the LPG '93 3.2

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The ‘S’ spec models were launched in UK around '92 I think. I think they had
some stiffened suspension components and a few trim spec upgrades from the
base XJ6.

Cheers - Jez>-----Original Message-----

From: Benjamin Tang [mailto:bentang@intergate.bc.ca]
Sent: 09 May 2000 17:26
To: Steve
Cc: Modern@jag-lovers.org; Brett Gazdzinski
Subject: Re: [modern] alternator woes… and now sls fails! =(

$1330usd! ouch!

and since i don’t live in the uk, i have shipping costs to deal with as
well =(

steve… you mentioned “sportpack suspension” and “s model”… i don’t
believe we got either here where i live (canada). details?

also… what is best? koni, bilstein, or boge?

thanks

ben

Steve wrote:

Ben,

I looked into buying an HBE handling kit a couple of months back.

They have a good reputation for providing kits to quite dramatically
improve the handling of Jaguars.

The kit for the XJ40 basically consists of :

Thicker front Anti-Roll Bar (ARB). 25mm I think (same as sports pack)
to replace the 22 mm standard fitment.
Rear ARB and mounting brackets (weld on). 19mm thick.

4 Koni adjustable dampers

The problem was the price… 880 UKP plus tax (1330 USD).

The thicker front ARB (if you don’t already have it) can be salvaged
from an XJ40 with sportspack suspension or an ‘S’ model.

The rear ARB can be sourced from an XJR… mounting brackets would have
to be cut off the XJR I expect.

The Koni Dampers can be bought for half the cost (try
http://www.shox.com or similar).

An upgrade to sportspack or ‘S’ springs will also compliment the
package, if you can find them !

Regards,

Steve & ‘Archie’ - the LPG '93 3.2

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The ‘S’ spec models were launched in UK around '92 I think. I think they
had
some stiffened suspension components and a few trim spec upgrades from the
base XJ6.

The ‘s’ was introduced in 93 and lasted right up until the xj40 was replaced
in October 94. My last one was a late 94 3.2s and was one of the very last
(last 50) xj40’s to be produced. The car was an absolute cracker. I bought
it with 20,000 on the clock but unfortunately within the space of 10 months
had racked up another 40,000 miles. I just refused to drive my other car it
was that good. The deale actually told me that my car had more in common
with its replacement model the X300 Xj Sport than the car it actually was.

Apparantly this is quite common practice, to put compatible bit from a new
model range into some of last of the old range cars to see how they perform
?

Patrick–

and since i don’t live in the uk, i have shipping costs to deal with as
well =(

steve… you mentioned “sportpack suspension” and “s model”… i don’t
believe we got either here where i live (canada). details?

also… what is best? koni, bilstein, or boge?

thanks

ben

Steve wrote:

Ben,

I looked into buying an HBE handling kit a couple of months back.

They have a good reputation for providing kits to quite dramatically
improve the handling of Jaguars.

The kit for the XJ40 basically consists of :

Thicker front Anti-Roll Bar (ARB). 25mm I think (same as sports pack)
to replace the 22 mm standard fitment.
Rear ARB and mounting brackets (weld on). 19mm thick.

4 Koni adjustable dampers

The problem was the price… 880 UKP plus tax (1330 USD).

The thicker front ARB (if you don’t already have it) can be salvaged
from an XJ40 with sportspack suspension or an ‘S’ model.

The rear ARB can be sourced from an XJR… mounting brackets would have
to be cut off the XJR I expect.

The Koni Dampers can be bought for half the cost (try
http://www.shox.com or similar).

An upgrade to sportspack or ‘S’ springs will also compliment the
package, if you can find them !

Regards,

Steve & ‘Archie’ - the LPG '93 3.2

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