[modern] Brake Pads

Chris
It sounds as if the local alternative shop knows what they are doing. I
recently did mine over.
I used branded but inexpensive pads. I also replaced all the rotors with
aftermarket parts.
I had 70,000 miles on the original set up. No problems.

Jerry W Josz
89 XJ40 VDP

.Hi Folk.>My ‘Brake Pads’ message came up on the display, they haven’t been changed

since I’ve had the car (30k miles) so I priced up the cost of a complete
set.

The local Jaguar dealer quoted 120 UKP + 17.5% VAT = 141 quid.

The local ‘Classic Car’ dealer (Healeys, Triumphs, Old Jags) quoted 44 UKP
+17.5% VAT = 52 quid… Now these are brand new full spec boxed Lockheed
parts with sensors attached, good quality connector, anti sqeal backing
pads in place, new bolts with Locktite’d threads included etc. -----

Chris Dupres

When I changed the front pads on my 90 Model at 90,000 miles, they had been
changed once before. At this change I also changed the front rotors that
exhibited judder. I also changed the rear pads and rotors at 96,000 miles.
These were the originals. Although there was pad remaining, the rotors were
worn with a pronounced lip, and they were not turnable. I drove the 90 to
130,000 miles and at that time, the brakes, rotors, and pads were in good
shape. Mostly commute drive time as well as highway. The pads I used were
Ferado and the rotors were aftermarket.

On my 95 Model, the PO changed the pads at 30,000 miles due to “noise”, no
new rotors. At 45,000 miles, the car had slight judder on braking at about
50MPH and in turn the front rotors and pads (Original Equipment) were
replaced. At 66,000 miles, front and rears are still in good shape. No
noise, no squeak, with pad remaining.

Regards

Doug B.

Hi folks,

I had to change my front brake pads, and it is the first time I do it.

Can someone explain me how to do it ? And can you tell me which is the
average
cost of a couple of Front pads ?

Thank you

Alessandro Di Muro
Daimler XJ40 '92
SIENA - ITALY

Alessandro,
Jack up the car on one side, remove the wheel, and place a jack stand
under the car to support the weight if the jack should fail.

On my car, there are two ways to do the brakes.
First way is to remove the guide pins on the back of the calipers,
then remove the parts to get at the pads.
If you have the pad wear sensors, they will likely break when you remove
them.
I glue the bits back in with some silicone rtv.
Before actually removing the old pads, you want to attach a hose to
the bleed nipple and run it into a jar and open the bleed screw.
Push the pads in with a blunt tool(don’t damage the rotors).
Get them all the way in.
Close the bleed screw then fit the new pads.
On my car, you have to remove the springs holding the caliper parts
together.

Grease the guide pins with moly lube, and refit them and the plastic
covers.
When you are done the other side, bleed both sides.

The other way is to remove the caliper mounting bolts.
This is what you do when you have to replace the disks or do wheel
bearings.
It would be a good idea to clean and grease the front wheel bearings
while doing the brakes.

For best results, its best to use Jaguar pads.
In the U.S., you can mail order them at reduced prices.
They are much better on my car…very smooth stops, especially at very
low speeds.

While fussing around the wheels, its a good idea to remove the abs
sensors(one small bolt) in the top of the hub and clean the tips and
grease the sides to prevent problems down the road.
Inspect shocks for leaks and bad bushings also.
You should not see any space between the bushing and the body with
the car jacked up.

Brett
1990 XJ6

Hi folks,

I had to change my front brake pads, and it is the first time I do it.

Can someone explain me how to do it ? And can you tell me which is the
average
cost of a couple of Front pads ?

Thank you

Alessandro Di Muro
Daimler XJ40 '92
SIENA - ITALYDate: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 08:54:35 +0100
From: Alessandro Di Muro adimuro@temainf.it

Any recommendations for aftermarket brake pads for an 89 XJ40?

thonly ones I’ve come across are Raybestos, which have the sensors fitted
but with female plugs (my car has male) or an unspecifed brand with no
sensors.

Are there good quality pads available in the US for this car or should I
bite the bullet and go to the jag dealer?

TIA

Will Hartje

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Will,
Do yourself a favor and get pads from Coventry west, Hal
Rogers, or one of the other places on the monthly parts
post.
Ferodo pads are good, as are the OEM pads.
There is another brand that Dave L likes…maxxis or something.
The other brands I tried from the local auto place
just cracked in half…

Brett
1990 XJ6> -----Original Message-----

From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of whartje
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 5:10 PM
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [modern] Brake Pads

Any recommendations for aftermarket brake pads for an 89 XJ40?

thonly ones I’ve come across are Raybestos, which have the sensors fitted
but with female plugs (my car has male) or an unspecifed brand with no
sensors.

Are there good quality pads available in the US for this car or should I
bite the bullet and go to the jag dealer?

TIA

Will Hartje

Shop online without a credit card
http://www.rocketcash.com
RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary

Buy nothing but OEM. I have had Raybestos on an 88 that I had and they c=
racked. A few months ago I purchased a 92 and the previous owner said he=
had just replaced the brakes. Within the first month I changed them out=
to OEM. They are worth the money and easy to order from Coventry West, =
Jag Bits or Hal Rogers.

Ron
92 XJ6------------------------------
Will Hartje wrote:
Any recommendations for aftermarket brake pads for an 89 XJ40?

thonly ones I’ve come across are Raybestos, which have the sensors fitted
but with female plugs (my car has male) or an unspecifed brand with no
sensors.

Are there good quality pads available in the US for this car or should I
bite the bullet and go to the jag dealer?

Ron,
There is nothing wrong with the ferodo pads.
I have used them and the OEM pads, and cant see much
difference between the two except price.

There are other brands that are ok, but all the pads
from the local auto parts places cracked in half on my car.

I think the OEM pads run about twice the price of
the ferodo pads…

Brett
1990 XJ6> -----Original Message-----

From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Ronald D. Wells
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 9:07 AM
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [modern] Brake Pads

Buy nothing but OEM. I have had Raybestos on an 88 that I had and they c=
racked. A few months ago I purchased a 92 and the previous owner said he=
had just replaced the brakes. Within the first month I changed them out=
to OEM. They are worth the money and easy to order from Coventry West, =
Jag Bits or Hal Rogers.

Ron
92 XJ6

Will Hartje wrote:
Any recommendations for aftermarket brake pads for an 89 XJ40?

thonly ones I’ve come across are Raybestos, which have the sensors fitted
but with female plugs (my car has male) or an unspecifed brand with no
sensors.

Are there good quality pads available in the US for this car or should I
bite the bullet and go to the jag dealer?

Brett,
Thanks for the advice. I might give the ferodo pads
a try next time. After going through 3 sets of local purchased
pads and having the job ruined because the pads cracked I
swore I would never stray from OEM pads.

At half the price and proven success it would be worth
trying the ferodo.

Ron
92 XJ6

I did the exact same thing, and the store kept giving me
improved pads…they looked great, but in the middle of a wonderful
drive in the rolling hills of Pennsylvania, the brakes would start
that horrible grinding noise…ruined my day!

Added to all that, I had to wait till I got the correct pads, as they
supplied the wrong ones first time, then had to wait for the free
replacements after they cracked in half, then had to order ferodos
and get my money back for the crap pads.
A WHOLE lot of wasted time and effort.

You are much better buying EVERY part from the parts post
people, as they generally have only parts people are happy with,
and they have always sent the correct parts for my car.
Only S.I.C.P. (out of business) sent some wrong parts…

Brett
1990 XJ6

In the MAP XJ40 repair manual, back in the specification area, they make
mention the brake pads are FERADO. Does Ferado make the OEM Jag pads.

I have also had very good luck with this brand, on my 90 and my 95 models,

Doug

That would be FERODO, not Ferado…

If it says Ferado in the book it is a spilling mistuck…!-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Doug Bernard
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 7:55 AM
To: Modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [modern] Brake Pads

In the MAP XJ40 repair manual, back in the specification area, they make
mention the brake pads are FERADO. Does Ferado make the OEM Jag pads.

I have also had very good luck with this brand, on my 90 and my 95 models,

Doug

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Will,

I’m late on this discussion so you have likely already purchased brake pads
for you XJ40. However, there has been quite a bit of discussion regarding
the use of OEM versus aftermarket pads. Some members insist on nothing but
OEM while others speak highly of certain aftermarket suppliers.

For myself, I’ve enjoyed excellent service from several large high quality
suppliers. Over the long period of time which I’ve performed my own
maintenance, I’ve used Bendix, Raybestos, Federal-Mogal, Performance
Friction, Brembo and probably others as well. Generally speaking, all have
proved satisfactory service … though some have somewhat improved
characteristics (shorter stopping lengths, less dust, longer life, less rotor
wear, etc.) over the others. The prices of all these pads (except possibly
Performance Friction) have all been competitive.

Even the “store brand” of some of the large parts houses can be very good
quality. For example, I picked up a set of front pads for a Chrysler
mini-van about a month ago from a local auto parts supplier. The label was
“WearEver Silver” (which was a semi-metallic type) and on the bottom of the
box was “Made by Ferodo UK.” The price of these pads … less than $20 US.

The morale of this story is simple … do a little homework and determine the
actual manufacturer as no parts house makes their own pads (nor does any
automobile manufacturer that I know of). You will not go wrong purchasing
the product of a major supplier with a quality reputation. In fact, you may
be pleasantly surprised about what comes in that typically generic box. If
you are concerned about purchasing the proper part for the correct fitup, any
of the quality suppliers on the posted parts list will ensure you receive the
specified item.

By the way, Ferodo UK is a subsidiary of the Federal-Mogal Group.

John P.
1990 XJ6

John,
A few things come to mind…

First off, there are different style pads for different
Jaguar XJ40 cars.
The ones I got at the local place all cracked in half
in a short time…so did the improved replacements…

Some other styles may not do this…
I have used these type pads on other brand cars without
any problems, but the Jaguar may be different.
The local pads LOOKED very nice, but the pad parts
cracked in half, while I have never had problems with
the Ferodo or OEM pads.

Another thing comes to mind…
If you order Ferodo, OEM, or another brand sold on the parts
post, you can be SURE they are ok, where the local place is
selling you an unknown.
If you get the local pads, and have to order them, as most
places don’t stock them, you have a good chance of getting the
wrong style…I did.
Then, if you put the new pads on, and have a problem with them,
you have to do all the work again replacing them…I did…

To my way of thinking, the slight difference in cost
is not worth it.
Two days wait is not a problem mail ordering pads, more
so as the local places will likely have to order them as well.

Just my thoughts…

Brett
1990 XJ6> -----Original Message-----

From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of JRPRING@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 11:07 AM
To: whartje@Netzero.net
Cc: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [modern] Brake Pads

Will,

I’m late on this discussion so you have likely already purchased
brake pads
for you XJ40. However, there has been quite a bit of discussion
regarding
the use of OEM versus aftermarket pads. Some members insist on
nothing but
OEM while others speak highly of certain aftermarket suppliers.

For myself, I’ve enjoyed excellent service from several large
high quality
suppliers. Over the long period of time which I’ve performed my own
maintenance, I’ve used Bendix, Raybestos, Federal-Mogal, Performance
Friction, Brembo and probably others as well. Generally
speaking, all have
proved satisfactory service … though some have somewhat improved
characteristics (shorter stopping lengths, less dust, longer
life, less rotor
wear, etc.) over the others. The prices of all these pads
(except possibly
Performance Friction) have all been competitive.

Even the “store brand” of some of the large parts houses can be very good
quality. For example, I picked up a set of front pads for a Chrysler
mini-van about a month ago from a local auto parts supplier. The
label was
“WearEver Silver” (which was a semi-metallic type) and on the
bottom of the
box was “Made by Ferodo UK.” The price of these pads … less
than $20 US.

The morale of this story is simple … do a little homework and
determine the
actual manufacturer as no parts house makes their own pads (nor does any
automobile manufacturer that I know of). You will not go wrong
purchasing
the product of a major supplier with a quality reputation. In
fact, you may
be pleasantly surprised about what comes in that typically
generic box. If
you are concerned about purchasing the proper part for the
correct fitup, any
of the quality suppliers on the posted parts list will ensure you
receive the
specified item.

By the way, Ferodo UK is a subsidiary of the Federal-Mogal Group.

John P.
1990 XJ6

Brett,

I would agree that you can sometimes have problems getting the correct pads
for you XJ40 from your local supplier … as it has happened to me. And yes,
its very probable that you will have to wait for the part … at least
overnight … as the supplier usually won’t have it on hand. That’s why I
mentioned that purchasing through the posted parts suppliers will give you
some “peace of mind” with regard to receiving the correct parts.

I honestly cannot say that I’ve actually experienced a “faulty brake pad”
with a vehicle that I have owned. Though I seen this problem when working on
a friend’s vehicle … the pad was not “in pieces” but it did have a major
crack through it and appeared to be wearing at different rates across the
face of the pad. There are no absolutes in the automotive parts business …
but purchasing from known quality suppliers and manufacturers goes a long way
in relieving the concern of a potentially defective product. To be sure,
there are defective products from all manufacturers, but the companies with
the best quality control will minimize the release of these items.

We are all prejudiced by our past experiences and tend to take future actions
as not to repeat past problems. Certainly nothing wrong with that approach
… or as my departed grandfather would have said “there’s more than one way
to skin a cat.”

John P.

I always thought that was the rule…
You can wear out pads,
You can wear out rotors,
Or you can wear out both.

Absolutely! My only point was that the Metal Masters are more aggressive and
will wear rotors faster.

A couple of friends of mine that autocross their cars love them…they
also have a tendency to be noisy, not so much a shriek as a grinding
growling noise in some cases.

I used to use a fair amount of them and really did like them but the
supplier that I was using dreid up so I had to get them elsewhere.

Once I found them again, I noticed a severe upward price increase to the
point where they were as much and in many cases more than the OE pads.

In case any of you haven’t figured it out, I have an extremely high regard
for factory parts in general and Jaguar factory parts in particular.

Most American cars seem to wear only the pads mostly.
The Jaguar wears both pad and rotor…maybe 2 pads per rotor?

I see European cars using softer rotors and more aggressive pads…

Rotors are not that expensive for my car…

I don’t really think any rotors are all that bad when you consider that they
can save your tail.

Personally, I would use the pads that gave the best feel
to the brakes, the best wet performance, etc…

Yep! And it’s a preference thing…I like the OE pads a lot.

The only ones I have tried are the local auto store aftermarket
(cracked two sets in half),

Aaack!!! I hate using American aftermarket stuff on these cars.

oem jaguar (fine),

Love 'em!

and ferodo (fine).

Love 'em!

FWIW, there are a lot of good European and Canadian aftermarket padts that
are terrific.

I’m not sure why, but Canada seems to make a lot of brake pads.

Cheers,

JebFrom: “Brett Gazdzinski”