[modern] J-Gate

Apologies in advance for this numpty question - I have spent the last hour
searching the archives but to no avail. Anyway, my question is how to
replace the bulbs on my J-gate - the red selector lights are ok, but the
main illumination is non existent. I know this has been discussed recently
but I cant seem to find it anywhere! I have managed to get off the cover,
and underneath there is a clear plastic unit - it looks like it comes out
from the top, but I have no idea how to remove this properly, and dont want
to break it by blundering in with a couple of screwdrivers - anyone any idea
how to get this clear plastic bit out without breaking so I can look at the
bulbs.

Thanks (and sorry!) in advance …

Lol
1990 LPG Sovereign

Lol,
The bulb sits in front of the J gate.

From what I remember, I could just reach in and pull the bulb
holder out and change the bulb.
I think the bulb socket clips onto the front of the J gate
assembly.
You have to remove the chrome bit, then the leather surround.
This leaves the J gate assembly a little above the wood,
with clearance enough to get your hand in to get the bulb
and socket out.
Try pushing the whole thing down, or maybe pull it up, I forget!

I was surprised at how nice it looks lit up at night, along
with the sport mode switch backlight…

Brett
1990 XJ6> -----Original Message-----

From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Lol Scragg
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 6:19 AM
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [modern] J-Gate

Apologies in advance for this numpty question - I have spent the last hour
searching the archives but to no avail. Anyway, my question is how to
replace the bulbs on my J-gate - the red selector lights are ok, but the
main illumination is non existent. I know this has been discussed recently
but I cant seem to find it anywhere! I have managed to get off the cover,
and underneath there is a clear plastic unit - it looks like it comes out
from the top, but I have no idea how to remove this properly, and
dont want
to break it by blundering in with a couple of screwdrivers -
anyone any idea
how to get this clear plastic bit out without breaking so I can
look at the
bulbs.

Thanks (and sorry!) in advance …

Lol
1990 LPG Sovereign

I noticed some messages that commented about the lack of manual transmission
offerings, and Pascal’s comment about using the J-Gate.

In the press, the J-Gate is an often maligned, yet indigenous Jaguar
feature. I suppose the Automotive press prefers a “SlapStick” or other type
of manual override.

The fact of the matter is that Automatic Gearboxes is what you are going to
see, with increasingly minimal manual boxes offerings in the future.
Manuals just don’t sell.

I for one like the J-Gate. I think it offers a lot of control, and fun.

Doug

I for one like the J-Gate. I think it offers a lot of control, and fun.

I will give it the credit that it is better than most that I have seen, but
i’m a firm believer in manual transmissions (to the point of getting one
custom built for my XK8). I had started to get used to the J-Gate in the
last few months and believe the hype that it’s just as good (if not better)
than a manual, until we took delivery of our 2001 911 C4 (with a manual of
course). What i’ve noticed is that the transmission (leaving it in drive)
goes past its peak on the power curve prior to shifting, therefore not
showing the best performance. To the J-Gate, the issue I have with it is
that it usually stays in the current gear for upto a second after I shift it
to the next gear (though down shifting is more responsive if i’m in the
right speed band). My problem with this is that I listen to the engine
rather than watch RPMs for shifting. I end up shifting when the engine says
its time, yet it keeps running the RPMs up (again past peak) before
acknowledging my command. With a manual there is no delay and no computer to
out think you. I will give Automatics the credit of better gas mileage and
smoother shifting, but for someone like me that is more interested in the
power its not worth the lack of a manual.

Just my opinions that the internet makes it so easy for me to spread :slight_smile:

-dave
'98 XK8 Black/Black CoupeFrom: “Doug Bernard” dbernard@qts-inc.com

Sad but true here in The Colonies. I just spoke to a gentleman from
Coventry the other day. He is here for a long enough term assignment that
he shipped his X300 sport model 3.2L with manual 5 speed. Shame we can’t
get those here. Also a shame that he didn’t check first. The feds wouldn’t
let him bring it in.

Interestingly, if you look in the windows of Jaguars, BMWs, etc. in Europe
you see a lot of manual transmissions.

Tom Henderson
Lakewood, WA-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Doug Bernard
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 9:43 AM
To: Modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [modern] J-Gate

I noticed some messages that commented about the lack of manual transmission
offerings, and Pascal’s comment about using the J-Gate.

In the press, the J-Gate is an often maligned, yet indigenous Jaguar
feature. I suppose the Automotive press prefers a “SlapStick” or other type
of manual override.

The fact of the matter is that Automatic Gearboxes is what you are going to
see, with increasingly minimal manual boxes offerings in the future.
Manuals just don’t sell.

I for one like the J-Gate. I think it offers a lot of control, and fun.

Doug

I agree that a 5 ( or 6 speed ) manual is better for people who want to
really drive the cars but indeed here in the US most people want automatics,
probably 80% … just a guess… then a good chunk of the other 20% buy
manuals because it’s the cheaper base model… it will be interesting to see
how many 2.5 Liter X-type are sold with the $ 1250 optional automatic, Vs
how many 3.0 are sold with the optional no cost 5 speed.

I learned to drive in France where most cars are manuals, it may have
changed a bit in 20 years but automatic were the minority of the cars at the
time. … along with A/C …

The Benz tranny used by Jaguar on the Rs is certainly as good as an
automatic can be and coupled with the J-Gate, it’s a very good package. I
find it very easy to control upshifts with the throttle. For max
performance, I bring it back to 3, 4 or D early on depending which gear I
will end up in, and when I want the box to shift I release the throttle just
a bit. It doesn’t take much lifting to trigger the upshift, and it actually
feels / sounds very much like a manual, as soon as the box upshifts, I bring
it back to the power I need, in fact, the rythm is very close to what you
would do with a manual except that you don’t need to lift all the way.
Downshifting with the J gate is as good as with a stick, but less fun…

OF course on the Rs, you don’t have that slushy RPM rise when you first
press the throttle, so it feels as close to a manual as it could. I think
the XK8 has the same tranny as the XJ8, it doesn’t feel as direct on the
XJ8.

I don’t like the slapstick used on some german and japanese cars, but that’s
matter of taste. With the J Gate, I know which gear I’m on without having to
look at the shifter or at a display on the dash. It’s more natural.
unfortunately, most journalists who test the drive the car discard it as
obsolete because they don’t know how to use it… I just hope that Jaguar
stick with it for a while longer.

I guess, Jaguar should have added a push button shifting on the R or sport
models, it wouldn’t have cost much extra and would have been nice…

Pascal
Miami, FL

I will give it the credit that it is better than most that I have seen,
but
i’m a firm believer in manual transmissions (to the point of getting one
custom built for my XK8). I had started to get used to the J-Gate in the
last few months and believe the hype that it’s just as good (if not
better)
than a manual, until we took delivery of our 2001 911 C4 (with a manual of
course). What i’ve noticed is that the transmission (leaving it in drive)
goes past its peak on the power curve prior to shifting, therefore not
showing the best performance. To the J-Gate, the issue I have with it is
that it usually stays in the current gear for upto a second after I shift
it
to the next gear (though down shifting is more responsive if i’m in the
right speed band). My problem with this is that I listen to the engine
rather than watch RPMs for shifting. I end up shifting when the engine
says
its time, yet it keeps running the RPMs up (again past peak) before
acknowledging my command. With a manual there is no delay and no computer
to----- Original Message -----
From: “gnat” gnat@aol.net
out think you. I will give Automatics the credit of better gas mileage and
smoother shifting, but for someone like me that is more interested in the
power its not worth the lack of a manual.

Just my opinions that the internet makes it so easy for me to spread :slight_smile:

-dave
'98 XK8 Black/Black Coupe

I agree, I’m very happy with the j-gate and I hope Jag
sticks with it despite the criticism from the
unfamiliar. My only reservation is that I wish I could
control the 1st - 2nd change as well.

Malcolm
95 black sov 100k— Pascal Gademer pascal@pam-trading.com wrote:

I agree that a 5 ( or 6 speed ) manual is better for
people who want to
really drive the cars but indeed here in the US most
people want automatics,
probably 80% … just a guess… then a good chunk
of the other 20% buy
manuals because it’s the cheaper base model… it
will be interesting to see
how many 2.5 Liter X-type are sold with the $ 1250
optional automatic, Vs
how many 3.0 are sold with the optional no cost 5
speed.

I learned to drive in France where most cars are
manuals, it may have
changed a bit in 20 years but automatic were the
minority of the cars at the
time. … along with A/C …

The Benz tranny used by Jaguar on the Rs is
certainly as good as an
automatic can be and coupled with the J-Gate, it’s a
very good package. I
find it very easy to control upshifts with the
throttle. For max
performance, I bring it back to 3, 4 or D early on
depending which gear I
will end up in, and when I want the box to shift I
release the throttle just
a bit. It doesn’t take much lifting to trigger the
upshift, and it actually
feels / sounds very much like a manual, as soon as
the box upshifts, I bring
it back to the power I need, in fact, the rythm is
very close to what you
would do with a manual except that you don’t need to
lift all the way.
Downshifting with the J gate is as good as with a
stick, but less fun…

OF course on the Rs, you don’t have that slushy RPM
rise when you first
press the throttle, so it feels as close to a manual
as it could. I think
the XK8 has the same tranny as the XJ8, it doesn’t
feel as direct on the
XJ8.

I don’t like the slapstick used on some german and
japanese cars, but that’s
matter of taste. With the J Gate, I know which gear
I’m on without having to
look at the shifter or at a display on the dash.
It’s more natural.
unfortunately, most journalists who test the drive
the car discard it as
obsolete because they don’t know how to use it… I
just hope that Jaguar
stick with it for a while longer.

I guess, Jaguar should have added a push button
shifting on the R or sport
models, it wouldn’t have cost much extra and would
have been nice…

Pascal
Miami, FL

----- Original Message -----
From: “gnat” gnat@aol.net

I will give it the credit that it is better than
most that I have seen,
but
i’m a firm believer in manual transmissions (to
the point of getting one
custom built for my XK8). I had started to get
used to the J-Gate in the
last few months and believe the hype that it’s
just as good (if not
better)
than a manual, until we took delivery of our 2001
911 C4 (with a manual of
course). What i’ve noticed is that the
transmission (leaving it in drive)
goes past its peak on the power curve prior to
shifting, therefore not
showing the best performance. To the J-Gate, the
issue I have with it is
that it usually stays in the current gear for upto
a second after I shift
it
to the next gear (though down shifting is more
responsive if i’m in the
right speed band). My problem with this is that I
listen to the engine
rather than watch RPMs for shifting. I end up
shifting when the engine
says
its time, yet it keeps running the RPMs up (again
past peak) before
acknowledging my command. With a manual there is
no delay and no computer
to
out think you. I will give Automatics the credit
of better gas mileage and
smoother shifting, but for someone like me that is
more interested in the
power its not worth the lack of a manual.

Just my opinions that the internet makes it so
easy for me to spread :slight_smile:

-dave
'98 XK8 Black/Black Coupe


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