I believe you hit the nail on the head Brett. The difference in treatment
from other drivers when driving the Jag and my 4X4 is night and day. In the
Jag we get cut off, honked at and other various examples of road rage.
Forget a merge situation…they will never let you in driving the jag. No
problems in the 4X4 or work car (chevy Lumina). I’ve learned to drive much
more defensively in the Jaguar.
John Scacca
97 X300
GMC 4X4
John
Here in the UK I have found that we get treated better in the Jag - people
give way much more readily and seem to put themselves out to help!
Norman Watkins
I believe you hit the nail on the head Brett. The difference in treatment
from other drivers when driving the Jag and my 4X4 is night and day. In
the> Jag we get cut off, honked at and other various examples of road rage.
Forget a merge situation…they will never let you in driving the jag. No
problems in the 4X4 or work car (chevy Lumina). I’ve learned to drive much
more defensively in the Jaguar.John Scacca
97 X300
GMC 4X4
I have seen no evidence of discourtesy when out in the Jag. Perhaps it is
because I live in the land of sophistication and civility - er…Texas.
Dave
At 10:57 AM 12/17/2000 +0000, you wrote:
John
Here in the UK I have found that we get treated better in the Jag - people
give way much more readily and seem to put themselves out to help!Norman Watkins
I believe you hit the nail on the head Brett. The difference in treatment
from other drivers when driving the Jag and my 4X4 is night and day. In
the
Jag we get cut off, honked at and other various examples of road rage.
Forget a merge situation…they will never let you in driving the jag. No
problems in the 4X4 or work car (chevy Lumina). I’ve learned to drive much
more defensively in the Jaguar.John Scacca
97 X300
GMC 4X4
David Hurlston
ViaData LP
When I drive my XJ40 here in Florida, people, especially those in American
muscle cars, tail gate, cut me off, and generally behave aggressively toward
me as if to say, “You have an expensive, fast car, why don’t you drive faster
or get out of my way?” When I’m driving my '84 Volvo 240, these things don’t
happen. I attribute it to redneck jealousy.
Peter
FL USA
Peter ,This thing happens too me often, tail gaiting,wonder why they get so
close ,maybe they like the car so much they fall in a trance,last night in
Santa Barbara as i was waiting at an intersection,Joes Cafe ,State Street ,a
nutter crossed the road walking past my car ,cursing ,and even spitting,
giving me the evil eye.it was 9 pm Jags really stand out,well my car does.
Glenn
89VDP C/A
I don’t have this problem at all, in San Diego everyone gives me a wide
berth and the occasional thumbs up, I think they are relieved that someone
drives a car with a little class. People her are sick of trying to look
around/over/under the stinking SUVs.
Dave Lokensgard
'90 Vanden Plas Majestic (DAVZCAT)
'55 XK140 OTS
Poway, California
I don’t seem to have problems with other drivers.
There have been a few times where I thought
people let me out, where they might not have in
another car.
I DO notice the gas station guys seem to take GREAT
care not to spill gas on Farquar when I fill up, and have
noticed other cars being filled where they just yank
the hose out dumping gas all over the side of the car.
I sometimes notice the owners of other nice cars looking
at my car when they park next to it…
I can picture what is going through their minds…
I wish I had a car like that, but they are so expensive…
I wish I had a car like that, but they always break down…
I wish my wife would have let me get one of those…
Those cars sure look great, but are junk…
I wonder what year THAT car is…
Look at that fool in the OLD Jaguar…
That is why I like to keep it clean at all times…
A dirty Jaguar with missing hub caps and door handles that
don’t work sort of ruins the image when you climb into
it through the window…
I actually saw someone doing that…
First mom helped the small boy into the window, then she
climbed in and over him to get to the drivers seat…
Car was filthy, inside and out, had the missing hub caps,
bald tires(2 different brands), etc…
Driving the Jaguar is an ego boost for me…
But the best thing about the car has got to be
the driving…smooth(mostly), quiet, the layout
of the controls and dash, the wood and leather,
the good handling at low, medium or high speeds,
the leaper on the hood, and then, after all that fun
getting there, sometimes people will look at the car
after you park it…after 4 years, I STILL like
looking at the car!
I don’t think there is any other 11 year old car
I would like to just look at…
And to think, it was dogged as a box, poor styling, etc,
when it first came out…
Brett
1990 XJ6
(Running fantastic lately)> -----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Lokensgard
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 10:53 PM
To: modern@jag-lovers.com
Subject: RE: [modern] Re: The Irony of it allI don’t have this problem at all, in San Diego everyone gives me a wide
berth and the occasional thumbs up, I think they are relieved that someone
drives a car with a little class. People her are sick of trying to look
around/over/under the stinking SUVs.Dave Lokensgard
'90 Vanden Plas Majestic (DAVZCAT)
'55 XK140 OTS
Poway, California
I would agree completely.
After training many years ago as a foreign car specialist and then jumping
careers to computers I swore one day to OWN a Jag. After 20 + years and
multiple other rides, I finally own one! The 88 XJ6 I found looks great
inside and out with only minor blems that only a trained eye would see. It
is a true pleasure to drive, maint. and sit and stare at. Even in the snow
that we are now dealing with here, I sit in traffic for an hour looking at
everyone else looking at me. Possibly it’s the Florida license plate still
on the cat whilst sitting in the -11 temp, Nah, that cannot be it!
Dennis
88 XJ6-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Brett Gazdzinski
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 8:42 AM
To: modern@jag-lovers.com
Subject: RE: [modern] Re: The Irony of it all
I don’t seem to have problems with other drivers.
There have been a few times where I thought
people let me out, where they might not have in
another car.
I DO notice the gas station guys seem to take GREAT
care not to spill gas on Farquar when I fill up, and have
noticed other cars being filled where they just yank
the hose out dumping gas all over the side of the car.
I sometimes notice the owners of other nice cars looking
at my car when they park next to it…
I can picture what is going through their minds…
I wish I had a car like that, but they are so expensive…
I wish I had a car like that, but they always break down…
I wish my wife would have let me get one of those…
Those cars sure look great, but are junk…
I wonder what year THAT car is…
Look at that fool in the OLD Jaguar…
That is why I like to keep it clean at all times…
A dirty Jaguar with missing hub caps and door handles that
don’t work sort of ruins the image when you climb into
it through the window…
I actually saw someone doing that…
First mom helped the small boy into the window, then she
climbed in and over him to get to the drivers seat…
Car was filthy, inside and out, had the missing hub caps,
bald tires(2 different brands), etc…
Driving the Jaguar is an ego boost for me…
But the best thing about the car has got to be
the driving…smooth(mostly), quiet, the layout
of the controls and dash, the wood and leather,
the good handling at low, medium or high speeds,
the leaper on the hood, and then, after all that fun
getting there, sometimes people will look at the car
after you park it…after 4 years, I STILL like
looking at the car!
I don’t think there is any other 11 year old car
I would like to just look at…
And to think, it was dogged as a box, poor styling, etc,
when it first came out…
Brett
1990 XJ6
(Running fantastic lately)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Lokensgard
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 10:53 PM
To: modern@jag-lovers.com
Subject: RE: [modern] Re: The Irony of it allI don’t have this problem at all, in San Diego everyone gives me a wide
berth and the occasional thumbs up, I think they are relieved that someone
drives a car with a little class. People her are sick of trying to look
around/over/under the stinking SUVs.Dave Lokensgard
'90 Vanden Plas Majestic (DAVZCAT)
'55 XK140 OTS
Poway, California
Hello fellow Jag-Lovers,
Now that I’ve followed the good advice on the list and “winterized” my 88
XJ6, Imani, for the sloppy season, and am driving a perfectly serviceable
'93 Chrysler Town & Country, I have but one thing to say: BRING ON
SPRING!!!
I feel so…anonymous in my mom-mobile, though it is a nice one,
comparitively speaking. I don’t get the looks at traffic lights any more, I
don’t get the joy of blowing some idiot’s doors off on the highway because
he thinks “Yet another woman driver…”, and I don’t have the joy of driving
Imani daily.
We had a recently bad ice/rain storm here in CT, and I’m glad she wasn’t on
the road, because the number of fender-benders I saw was amazing. Given the
sad stories of other list members who’ve had severly damaged cats recently,
it sealed my decision to park her for the winter. I know it’s only a car,
but to have Imani damaged would be like tearing my heart out. I’ll just wait
with bated breath for spring so I can put her back on the road.
Whenever I drove Imani, I felt people were looking at the car with, shall I
say, a certain amount of covetousness? She’s a beautiful car, and rightfully
so, she gets stared at. I even think I walked taller when going to or from
her, go figure! I do, however, notice that people, even in my small town,
drove more “aggressively” when I drove her. Cut-offs, tailgaters and such
were the norm. I got used to driving defensively. Somehow, guys in “muscle”
cars were the worst! They’d pull up to a light, rev their engines, see me
behind the wheel and kinda laugh to themselves. They were duly shocked when
they beat me off the light, but I blew their doors off at the 1/4 or 1/2
mile point. I’ve also surprised my share of other car owners / drivers by
passing on uphill grades when necessary.
My hubby just got back from a 6-month deployment with the U.S. Navy, and
his first questions about our vehicles was, “How’s the Jaguar running?”.
Guess we’ve got another convert 
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year all, if I don’t “talk” to you before
then!
Dianne Daniels
'88 XJ40 Imani
113.6K miles (and holding for winter)
Ok, this thread has gone on long enough without my input. So, without
further delay, my two cents;
I have found the following to be true, for the most part, other drivers do
not tend to be very aggressive around the Jaguar. I have not seen anyone
ride my tail, or cut me off.
I have seen many people follow me probably because I drive fairly fast and
they figure I’d get the ticket for speeding before they will. Gas station
and parking attendants always look, some comment on the Jag.
Chris
1994 XJ12 Chicago
Ok, this thread has gone on long enough without my input. I agree
So, without
further delay, my two cents also;
I was stopped recently by some road works on a country road. By the time we
were able to proceed there were around ten vehicles in the queue, of which I
was third. When I tried to pass the car in front (female driver with a car
load of kids), she accelerated and refused to let me pass. This happened a
second time, so I dropped back and let the following traffic pass me. All
were able to pass the offending driver without difficulty. I set the cruise
for 110 km/hr and proceeded on my way, but each time I came up behind the
offender (who seemed to want to travel at about 100km/hr) she accelerated
away! This bizarre behaviour continued for 100 km. The second incident
occurred on the same road, and involved several kms of tailgating by a
passenger bus, at times only about two feet from my bumper. This was
followed by the most dangerous passing manouvre I have ever seen.
Fortunately my good observations and several witnesses resulted in a
successful prosecution. I don’t know what conclusionis to draw from this in
relation to the thread topic, but it seems only to be happening since I got
the Jag.
Nigel-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Pavlik [mailto:cpavlik@aisatech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2000 4:17
To: modern@jag-lovers.com
Subject: RE: [modern] Re: The Irony of it all
what was she driving ? forget the cruise… just floor it and leave her in
the dust !
Pascal
I was stopped recently by some road works on a country road. By the time
we
were able to proceed there were around ten vehicles in the queue, of which
I
was third. When I tried to pass the car in front (female driver with a
car
load of kids), she accelerated and refused to let me pass. This happened
a
second time, so I dropped back and let the following traffic pass me. All
were able to pass the offending driver without difficulty. I set the
cruise----- Original Message -----
From: “Nigel MacLennan” nmaclennan@sesadgp.org.au
for 110 km/hr and proceeded on my way, but each time I came up behind the
offender (who seemed to want to travel at about 100km/hr) she accelerated
away! This bizarre behaviour continued for 100 km. …
In Los Angeles, people drive like morons. It really doesn’t matter what kind
of car they drive. I moved here four years ago from the east coast where
most people at least know how to drive in the rain and snow. I went back
home to NJ for thanksgiving, and the difference was night and day the way
people drive versus in Los Angeles! Here are some examples.
The 405 freeway. Need I say more?
Driving on the freeway going at a nice clip, here comes a bend in the
road. Everyone slams on the brakes for no apparent reason!?!?!?
The speed up and brake phenomenon. This is what I don’t understand at all
and I guess what keeps brake repair shops in business. You are in traffic,
or whatever, and the people in front and all around you speed up to the car
in front and slam on their brakes, repeatedly. Duh?
Blinkers are NOT OPTIONAL people! Why is it that most people in Los
Angeles fail to use their blinkers?
4 way stop sign courtesy. In the town I live there are A LOT of 4 way
stops. This kills me when I see this. People ACTUALLY speed up to get to the
stop sign to beat you to go thru the intersection. People stop 20 ft back
from the stop sign, which in their mind is a proper stop, and proceed to fly
thru the intersection before you make a proper stop. 4 people get to the
stop signs at the same time, pure anarchy. Has anyone here heard of yield to
the person on the right of you? Guess not.
I live on a street that is on the downslope of a hill, with a stop sign
at the end on the corner. There are many children that play on this street.
The speed limit is 25 for good reason. I have seen people who live on my
street exit their driveways, floor the car to about 50MPH, only to have to
slam on the brakes when they reach the stop?
Merging on to the freeway. Does anyone here know what the meaning of the
word yield to oncoming traffic. Also when merging into traffic, most get in
the lane and don’t accelerate?
Next rant! The left lanes are not the slow lanes. People here go 10 miles
under the speed limit in the passing lanes, forcing you to go around them in
the right hand lanes. It seems to be a pathetic way of controlling the
drivers behind them, instead of just moving out of the way as a courtesy to
faster motorists.
Rain - The rare time when Southern California receives a healthy rain
shower, the dopes drive like the cars are made out of fine china. For most
people who don’t understand or have never been to Los Angeles, this is one
of the nice car capitals of the world. Never have I seen more MB’s, BMW’s,
Jags, Ferraris, etc. All these cars equipped with the best safety equipment
(including blinkers! See # 4) People drive 35 MPH on the freeway when it
rains!
I will probably get flamed for this one but:
What is the deal with imports, mustangs, etc with coffee can exhausts,
19 chromed out rims, shift light equipped tachs, and big batman wings that
are completely ineffective even at these car’s top speeds? A large
percentage of these drivers don’t even know how to drive properly, cut off
traffic, do not understand the limitations of the car and cause accidents?
Please keep this stuff on the track! Since this is a Jaguar Forum, I am safe
with this next one. BMW drivers- not all, but the 32X and 52X series drivers
who think they are speed racer. I have witnessed countless bonehead moves on
the street and on the freeway with these people who actually think this car
is the “ultimate driving machine” Tailgating, swerving, running at 120MPH on
a fully loaded road. I drive a 322HP car and I don’t have to prove that my
car can handle and or out accelerate another car with stupid acts. These
people need to take up autocrossing or a driving school and find out how bad
they really are.
6 lane freeways that are ALWAYS jammed. Why is it that in New Jersey,
the Garden State Parkway is at most times a freely moving interchange of a
beautiful kept road, and things like the 5, 101, 405 are molasses? I have
also never seen big hunks of semi truck retread tires all over the GSP
either. Rubbernecking and lane jockeying kill the effectiveness of
California’s roads. Too many people have a “ME first, I’m most important
attitude”
I know I sound like Andy Griffith here, but these are serious problems out
here. All these problems lead to road rage and countless deaths and
accidents, just because people don’t have any patience or courtesy, or
downright do not know how to drive.
My wife thinks I am nuts because I have these pet peeves, but does anyone
else understand my angst? Comments please?
Tim Sheehan
95 XJR owner
Bob Bondurant school of driving graduate
Ex Avid Autocrosser and Track Drag Racer
Here is what I found in Toronto,Canada.
People actually let me into and out of lanes with no hesitations.Cars don’t
tailgait.People stop me in parking lots to find out what year it is or just
to say they love how it looks.I actually had one gentlemen come to me in the
parking lot ,after church, 2 weeks ago to tell me he parked next to me
because his wife asked him so she could get a better look at my car.The wife
wants one and I told him when he is ready call me and I will help him find
one.BTW he drives a big Cadillac.
All in all people respect the car and as a bonus I get a lot of looks from
women of all ages!Just don’t tell my wife.
Tony D. 94XJ12 in sunny, but cold, Toronto-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Christopher Pavlik
Sent: December 18, 2000 12:47 PM
To: modern@jag-lovers.com
Subject: RE: [modern] Re: The Irony of it all
Ok, this thread has gone on long enough without my input. So, without
further delay, my two cents;
I have found the following to be true, for the most part, other drivers do
not tend to be very aggressive around the Jaguar. I have not seen anyone
ride my tail, or cut me off.
I have seen many people follow me probably because I drive fairly fast and
they figure I’d get the ticket for speeding before they will. Gas station
and parking attendants always look, some comment on the Jag.
Chris
1994 XJ12 Chicago
Well said Tim!!
This post is so accurate, I’ve lost count of the number of
times I’ve wished I was driving a big old Cadillac or something with big
Carbide Tipped spikes on the front so that everytime someone cuts me off
I could just plow straight into them…the lack of Blinker use drives me
Nuts too!!
I’ll stop right here for fear of re-writing your post word for word…
Hey, you forgot the 91,22,and 55 Freeways…
But the best one is when the Freeway is blocked, you’re on the on-ramp
and someone next to you deliberately speeds up to block your
entrance…THAT would be the best time to have my spiked Caddy…or
Hummer…
Peter. Southern CA.
Timothy Sheehan wrote:>
In Los Angeles, people drive like morons. It really doesn’t matter what kind
of car they drive.
Tim Sheehan
95 XJR owner
Bob Bondurant school of driving graduate
Ex Avid Autocrosser and Track Drag Racer
I think I see the problem here. You were thinking in metric units when you
should have been driving in English units. If I recall, that was the
problem with the last Mars lander.
You should have been doing 110 mph and there would have been no issue.
Dave
At 09:18 AM 12/19/2000 +1030, you wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Pavlik [mailto:cpavlik@aisatech.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 19 December 2000 4:17
To: modern@jag-lovers.com
Subject: RE: [modern] Re: The Irony of it allOk, this thread has gone on long enough without my input. I agree
So, without
further delay, my two cents also;
I was stopped recently by some road works on a country road. By the time we
were able to proceed there were around ten vehicles in the queue, of which I
was third. When I tried to pass the car in front (female driver with a car
load of kids), she accelerated and refused to let me pass. This happened a
second time, so I dropped back and let the following traffic pass me. All
were able to pass the offending driver without difficulty. I set the cruise
for 110 km/hr and proceeded on my way, but each time I came up behind the
offender (who seemed to want to travel at about 100km/hr) she accelerated
away! This bizarre behaviour continued for 100 km. The second incident
occurred on the same road, and involved several kms of tailgating by a
passenger bus, at times only about two feet from my bumper. This was
followed by the most dangerous passing manouvre I have ever seen.
Fortunately my good observations and several witnesses resulted in a
successful prosecution. I don’t know what conclusionis to draw from this in
relation to the thread topic, but it seems only to be happening since I got
the Jag.Nigel
David Hurlston
ViaData LP
In Los Angeles, people drive like morons. It really doesn’t matter what
kind
of car they drive. I moved here four years ago from the east coast where
most people at least know how to drive in the rain and snow. I went back
home to NJ for thanksgiving, and the difference was night and day the
way
people drive versus in Los Angeles! Here are some examples.
Tim,
I hear ya’ and agree… these crazy people are all over. Here are two
more peeves from Chicago (again)…
Don’t you love it when you’re on the on-ramp [merge lane] to an expressway,
and the person in front of you has to STOP and wait for a break in the
traffic on the expressway before they can “merge” onto the road???
How about all those bright red “Chevy type” cars that the punky teenagers
drive around with the tires extended well outside the wheel wells? I
thought there were laws against that type of unsafe modification. these
cars will usually have completely blacked out windows too.
Chris 94 XJ12-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Sheehan [mailto:timish@pacbell.net]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 5:34 PM
To: Nigel MacLennan; ‘modern@jag-lovers.org’
Subject: Re: [modern] Re: The Irony of it all (Very Long!)
Tim,
Having lived in NYC for forty years, I’ve driven on the West Side Hwy, the
FDR, the L.I.E, the Jersey Tpke, etc, etc. Never, ever, anywhere have I
experienced the lunatic driving that I encountered on the L A freeways!
Not even Paris, not even Boston! Your description is 100% accurate.
Be careful out there!
Cheers,
Peter
Now in courteous Florida
Dianne:
I feel your pain. My cat went in the body shop yesterday, not as a result
of a traffic accident but due to a…well, I guess you’d call it a
landscaping accident that occurred 11/30. I was parked at the far edge of
my employer’s parking lot (the safest place to be, right?) and the
landscaping crew managed to let a tractor (not a lawn mower - a farm-type
tractor) get away from them on the side of a berm and slide into the back (I
was backed into the parking space) of my car. Broken left tail light,
dented trunk lid, ding in the chrome bumper, abraded spot on the rubber
bumper facing, cracked rear fog light lens, etc. $2300 worth of
carelessness. Their insurance is covering the repair and providing a rental
car while the Jag is in the shop. While the rental is a nice gesture, the
'99 Pontiac Grand Am they provided just doesn’t measure up. I’d just about
as soon be driving my '88 Mitsubishi pick up (well, maybe not). With the
lousy weather (14" of snow last week with freezing drizzle) we had last week
I wasn’t driving the Jag so by the time I get her (him?) back I will have
not driven her (him?) for nearly a month. Definite downer. Bet Diana Krall
doesn’t sound quite the same in your minivan as she does in your Imani, eh?
Mike Stone
Jet Black 1994 XJ6 (undergoing cosmetic surgery)
81,xxx miles
Springfield, Missouri USA----- Original Message -----
From: Dianne M. Daniels ddaniels@cityofnorwich.org
To: Jag Owners Mailing List (E-mail) modern@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 9:30 AM
Subject: [modern] Re: The Irony of it all
Hello fellow Jag-Lovers,
Now that I’ve followed the good advice on the list and “winterized” my 88
XJ6, Imani, for the sloppy season, and am driving a perfectly serviceable
'93 Chrysler Town & Country, I have but one thing to say: BRING ON
SPRING!!!
I feel so…anonymous in my mom-mobile, though it is a nice one,
comparitively speaking. I don’t get the looks at traffic lights any more,
I
don’t get the joy of blowing some idiot’s doors off on the highway because
he thinks “Yet another woman driver…”, and I don’t have the joy of
driving
Imani daily.
We had a recently bad ice/rain storm here in CT, and I’m glad she wasn’t
on
the road, because the number of fender-benders I saw was amazing. Given
the
sad stories of other list members who’ve had severly damaged cats
recently,
it sealed my decision to park her for the winter. I know it’s only a car,
but to have Imani damaged would be like tearing my heart out. I’ll just
wait
with bated breath for spring so I can put her back on the road.Dianne Daniels
'88 XJ40 Imani
113.6K miles (and holding for winter)
Doesnt someone publish lists of types of cars and RTAs?
Perhaps these factors make Jags vulnerable to being hit
They are a low car - even in the uk they look lower than most other vehicles
including our small ford fiesta.
They often have dark colours - mine is Dark Green - If I remember red and
yellow cars are safest.
Most older ones (at least in the UK) dont have high level brakes lights
In the UK they are one of the widest cars on the road - so that must put the
wing mirrors at risk
Martin
3.2 92 xj6
Given the
sad stories of other list members who’ve had severly damaged cats
recently,From: Dianne M. Daniels ddaniels@cityofnorwich.org
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 9:30 AM