Just saw on the internet recently that “Motorad” is making high-flow thermostats. Has anyone tried installing “Motorad” high-flow thermostats on V12? These thermostats have bigger diameter valve and will allow higher flow at the same temperature compared to stock thermostat.
I’ve used them. They do have a significantly larger opening. If thermostats are your flow choke point then they would be helpful. Difficult to test. Good quality t-stats.
Motorad yes, as shown in pictures. These work well. Not sure if they are the ‘high flow’ version however.
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As you say this is difficult to test… did you notice any difference yourself ?
Looks like you have a standard thermostat. Here’s a picture of standard waxstat vs high flow motorad:
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Are they “double action” stats with the blocking plate? you got a side view and part number?
Yes these are direct fit. With a blocking plate and jiggle pin as original. I will post more pictures an part number a bit later as I don’t have them with me now.
I’m pretty sure that cooling system with capacity of 20liters should benefit from higher flow thermostats
i bought the standard Motorads. The high flow may be better, but you’ll need to drill a hole in them, no jiggle pin.
No need to drill anything, they do have a jiggle pin
the 2088-180 is a 180F temp they also make a 2088-192 which is a 192F temp, going to try both or have a summer/winter stats!
I think you will have plenty of heat with 180 thermostats all year round. 190 thermostats is more emissions thing.
I don’t see a jiggle pin in the photo.
I went to their web site it does have a hole on the inner rim that looks like it’s under the main plate, with the stat closed it might be closed!
This is a bit a red herring. The amount of water flow and thus the amount of cooling capability will be dictated by the rate of flow from the water pump which is rpm dependent.
All that will happen with a wider ported thermostat is that it will close itself up to match the other thermostat or it will belatedly equilibrate at a slightly different temperature. This is because neither the amount of heat being generated by the engine, nor the heat dissipation capability of the radiator have been altered. All that has happened is the rate of flow through the wider port will have slowed down a bit, making the thermostat change its average position to a different time constant to before.
The thermostat only sets a floor on the temperature when it is forced shut by the radiator - it doesn’t control the temperature - that is just the equilibrium point reached when engine heat production equals radiator heat dissipation for a given flow rate.
Given that a couple of years ago, you were all raving about the Lutz modification, it makes no sense to get excited about this.
kind regards
Marek
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None. They opened and closed. Functioned for 1 year before B bank stuck open 4mm. Swapped both to waxstats. No difference except for the spec’d Temps.
I wasn’t around then. I get the Lutz mod. That is to say I understand the problem it’s adressing, inadequate coolant flow in the rear of the heads due to a shortcut out the front ports. But its solution doesn’t seem ideal. Nor does there seem to be a plainly demonstrable problem with un-lutzd cars. Has anyone fired up a V12 with a water rail removed to see what sprays out from where and how far? I assume so, and that flow could be better from the rear ports or this wouldn’t even be a thing.
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I get the Lutz mod… But its solution doesn’t seem ideal. Nor does there seem to be a plainly demonstrable problem with un-lutzd cars.[/quote]
I agree, the Lutz mod might be a solution in search of a problem. There are, however, two schools of thought on why it might be worthwhile:
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While the flows with the OEM setup are probably fine at full power – where they were presumably tested at Jaguar – they may be less than ideal at low power which is where most of us actually run. Like, at 4000 rpm, the water pump might throw coolant into the jacket hard enough to get all the way to the rear cylinders, while being stuck in traffic might result in coolant barely moving into the jacket and taking the shortcut out to the thermostat, leaving the rear cylinders to overheat.
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Many of us have pulled heads to find a great deal of crud accumulated around the rear cylinder, sometimes enough that the entire water jacket is obstructed, clearly no coolant has been flowing back there for a while. Obviously using purified water in the coolant mix and avoiding Barr’s Leaks like the plague should help avoid such problems, but perhaps the Lutz mod might also help by increasing flow in the area and moving the crud along rather than letting it settle. In fact, with the forward coolant ports orificed per Lutz, perhaps the water pump can generate enough pressure at the rear to blow this crud on through and into the Tefba filters.
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Just got mine, stock stat is 1 2/32 and the Motorads are 1 8/32 orifice, I am just wondering if any one has done a 180 to 195 comparison on the road with no other changes?
Also here is a hypothetical brain teaser, with the Faster Jag single point intake on the right upper rad cross flow to the left lower out flow to the pump would having a 180 on the left and a 192 on the right get more flow through the rear B bank with all the coolent going to the radiator on the right?
Thermostats don’t impact the flow rate through the banks.