Sans engine, unfortunately but the rest is largely there
in azmixturexof disnantled poor or fair condition. ID is
19048. Engine should be 251158 but was replaced with a 3.4
sometime in the late 50s or very early 60s. All owners (3)
accoubted for. RHD registered in London Nov 6 1936.
Most awkward part discovered missing so far is one rear
half shaft from the rear axle, plus rear brakes. Front
brakes converted to inop hydraulic discs but orig 13’’
drums and bare black plates exist. No seats but folding
top, side screens, windscreen etc present.
Mostly a collection of parts but enough to assemble into a
rolling chassis with poor body if I can find a half shaft.
About a hundred made in 35-36-37 I believe so not a common
car. Anyone got a suitable engine or half-shaft?
Alternatively, for anyone with those bits and front/rear
seats it might be a project. Original UK registration doc,
plus Florida registration from 1962. Contact if
interested. Too good to scrap. Not my car, just someone I
know who is clearing out his dad’s stuff.
Pete–
66 ‘UberLynx’ D, 70 FHC, 79 S2 XJ12L, 97 XJ6L
Gaithersburg, Maryland, United States
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In reply to a message from PeterCrespin sent Fri 23 Sep 2016:
Peter, he half shaft for the OHV tourer is just a 1936/7
saloon shaft , NOT an SS1 tourer. Inthink I still have a
rear set of 13’’ brakes , but would only sell to a restorer
not an ‘‘investor’’ These 13’’ brakes are SS100.
One pf the well known body building companies in UK Rob
Jolley a couple of years ago built some OHV tourer wooden
body frames . Nice work but presumably UK ‘‘important car’’
prices.
There is a lot of the small stuff around and we make
instrument faces and other dashboard parts.
The engine for 1936 cars is different to other sS engines
. A shorter block in height, manual choke carbies , no oil
filter. Etc.
But that’s not to say unavailable but means the reetorer
will need to think carefully before ploughing ahead,
not always a given.
Hust a ‘what if’ from left field , could this with the xk
engine have been the ''MK IV dhc that did 117 mph?–
Ed Nantes SS
Melbourne, Australia
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In reply to a message from Ed Nantes sent Sat 24 Sep 2016:
Thanks Ed
Went back yesterday:
Existing half shaft stil has hub on so can only provide
overall length for model comparison. If rears were 13’’
thrn the ones with it are probably rears. I thought only
fronts were 13’’. This makes sense as fronts are set up
with discs (unfinished).
Body is all steel over wood and front/rear bulknead/frame
wood seems OK except base of A-post and presumably all
along base.
Chassis is 118’’ wheelbase, 44’’ wide across axle and 162’’
stem to stern. There are engine mounts inboard just in
front of X brace and what look like remains of two mounts
ground off upper side of the transverse plate where the
front subframe would be on an XJ. Don’t know if XK has
ever been installed but am certain car has never run since
coming to US in 64. So no 117 mph!
Body seems it has never been repainted though mostly faded
grey or stripped now. Log book states pale blue and hood
and side screens are canvas/beige colour. Unusually bright
tor a UK car in the 30s IMO? Grille has nine vanes per
side and is 20’’ wide across back edge, which looks 3.5L
sized rather than 2.5L. Radiator is original honeycomb
style, grille badge says SS with small Jaguar lozenge
inset inside wing motif. Headlamps are two P100 plus teo
period yellow fog lamps but those may not be original? No
extrrnal horns (one each side on bulkhead under bonnet but
may also not be original).
XK engine is KE code and gearbox JL, both of which match a
likely 3.4 Mk1 donor car. Steering gear present. Five
correct but rusty wheels, all instruments silver in pale
blue panel, except black cable anti-clock tach with inset
clock, probably fitted when exhaust cam drive XK
installed.–
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Gaithersburg, Maryland, United States
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Peter
The half shaft neds the separate bearing housing and
bearing to fit it . And as the 6bolts are tapped into the
housing it needs 6x3/8’‘BSF bolts. The bearings are unusual
in that they sit on a taper on the half shaft , not up to
a stop.
The radiator originally looks odd. The LHS of the header
tank is just cut off and the top pipe os into the side of
it at an angle … It has to be to fit
P100 headlamps are forigners , the 50’s idea of ‘’
improvment’’
The rad badge had blue enamel insets … ‘‘SS’’ and ‘’ jaguar’’
on the lowe curved part.
Sounds like a postmwar one on it.
I don’t have a measurement of the grille here with me. But
it is 2 1/2 litre width and has a bar about an inch high
across the bottom
Foglamps are blow ins, there should be 2 New Alto
chromed horns with grilles on the front.
The sills are a bit complicated but we have originals for
patterns
The original QK headlamps are available but expensive and
most of the other stuff you mentioned can be got , given a
bit of time.
In my experience what tends to happen is the first thing
the new owner does is race out and buy a lot of stuff,
often getting the wrong parts. I do get emails from people
along the lines of’'I’ve bought an SS100, I’m going to
restore it and win Pebble Beach, so send me the following
page of parts.
Obviously thinking I’m an SS version of Guy Broad.
One needs to be careful and well researched as much of
the stuff available is rubbish, but not all.
The brakes were 13’’ all round , 13’'ID that is.
It would be handy to have as many of the brake parts,
brackets etc as possible. If in doubt, take them
The XK engine would be a boat anchor except for the steel
conrods which will be needed for the engine.
The engine mounts you mention sound suspect. The mounting
arrangement was essentially the same as a MKIV.
The gearbox will have a ball joint remote control top on
it.
I’m in Provence at present. Should I start looking at a
chateau on the strength of this?–
Ed Nantes SS
Melbourne, Australia
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Peter
The half shaft neds the separate bearing housing and
bearing to fit it . And as the 6bolts are tapped into the
housing it needs 6x3/8’‘BSF bolts. The bearings are unusual
in that they sit on a taper on the half shaft , not up to
a stop.
The radiator originally looks odd. The LHS of the header
tank is just cut off and the top pipe os into the side of
it at an angle … It has to be to fit
P100 headlamps are forigners , the 50’s idea of ‘’
improvment’’
The rad badge had blue enamel insets … ‘‘SS’’ and ‘’ jaguar’’
on the lowe curved part.
Sounds like a postmwar one on it.
I don’t have a measurement of the grille here with me. But
it is 2 1/2 litre width and has a bar about an inch high
across the bottom
Foglamps are blow ins, there should be 2 New Alto
chromed horns with grilles on the front.
The sills are a bit complicated but we have originals for
patterns
The original QK headlamps are available but expensive and
most of the other stuff you mentioned can be got , given a
bit of time.
In my experience what tends to happen is the first thing
the new owner does is race out and buy a lot of stuff,
often getting the wrong parts. I do get emails from people
along the lines of’'I’ve bought an SS100, I’m going to
restore it and win Pebble Beach, so send me the following
page of parts.
Obviously thinking I’m an SS version of Guy Broad.
One needs to be careful and well researched as much of
the stuff available is rubbish, but not all.
The brakes were 13’’ all round , 13’'ID that is.
It would be handy to have as many of the brake parts,
brackets etc as possible. If in doubt, take them
The XK engine would be a boat anchor except for the steel
conrods which will be needed for the engine.
The engine mounts you mention sound suspect. The mounting
arrangement was essentially the same as a MKIV.
The gearbox will have a ball joint remote control top on
it.
I’m in Provence at present. Should I start looking at a
chateau on the strength of this?–
Ed Nantes SS
Melbourne, Australia
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This thread seems to have died a natural death but to bring it back to life I have some wonderful colour photos of this car in the 1950’s.
I have for many years been researching the history of most SS cars and Jaguars.
I published a very comprehensive list of all surviving SS Jaguar Tourers in my book “The Forerunners of Jaguar” see sample pages at http://www.paulskilleterbooks.co.uk/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=9&products_id=73 I have mainly courtesy of EBAY found a number of photos of SS Jaguar Tourers that I cannot identify by chassis number can anyone provide any thoughts on which cars these are. Given the similarities between the 1936 SS 1 and the SS Jaguar tourer sometimes it is difficult to make positive identification.
If anyone has any info on any SS Jaguar Tourers I would love to hear from them or for that matter any SS or SS Jaguar.
terry
I was in the freezing cold garage a few minutes ago (not for long) but there has been progress. The body is now on the chassis, which sits on four blasted and painted wheels with NOS whitewalls. The body isn’t fixed properly and sits a few inches high off the frame until I sort the fastenings out. I have made a dummy halfshaft to hold the right rear wheel on, so it can be rolled around.
It is fairly easy to pick OHV tourers fom sidevalve.
The wheels are spoked differently . The SS1 has 40 spokes to the well of the rim and the rest to the outside , the SS jaguar has all spokes to the outside edge of the rim.
Originally the SS1 rims had the edhe chrome plated.
The SS Jaguar brake drums are noticeably larger
So in the pic , the white car being assembled is an SS1 tourer not an SS Jaguar OHV tourer
The grille is SS1 and the front apron is SS1 which leaved the tubular cross member exposed
It appears to have had a post war OHV engine fitted. The higher centre stud on the head being a give away , And the 36/7 SS Jaguars did not have the twin ex manifolds but a single finned ex manifold
It has had bogus P100s fitted and an " unusual" pinstripe around the edge of the mudguards
The chassis is also narrower than an OHV tourer which would have the front of the mudguards coming down inwards from the chassis.
And the pleating pattern on the door is defintely " after market"
Other identifying features would be OHV tourers having a bulge in the LH bonnet side to clear the generator [ ala MG TC}
The car with the gigantic whitewalls make claims to ’ exact’ but the rear window in the hood is far too large.
Edd as you note all of the above are general indicators of the SS Jaguar Tourer versus the SS1.
Some variations depend on quality of restoration and you can’t always get pics that show the differences.
Still love to get more details and history on any of the cars pictured
terry
Just meant as points to look for . Most pics will show e.g the wheels and these are going to be the original type , unless the restoration was so bad that it ended up with an odd track. Likewise the size of the brake drums . But the white car is definitely and SS1 [ or was when it left the factory.
Wheels bubs are often ring ins e’g on the SS100 FHC , But SS’s are also distinctive in having a different spoke pattern to pst war
The front hubs on the 36 are laced to the correct pattern and rim but clear the disc brake conversion. The rears and spare are normal pattern. I dont recall whether the normal wheels actually foul the calipers.
The fr RH wheel apart from a later centre has the wrong spoke pattern. But any one restoring the car would [ hopefully] pull all this apart and start from scratch.
One would hope calipers were not an issue.
But then… I’ve seen some doozies
I recall Joe Wherry’s book had a SS100 with " Frenched" mudguards and a V8 fitted
I’m not quite sure where the term’ frenched" comes from . I have seen lamb shanks ’ frenched ’ but find it hard to make the connection. In any case I’m sure the French would be just as horrified as myself at the result. But , as Terry says. it wa shistoric and so should be preserved . Perhaps as a lesson …
AFAIK, “frenched” as applied to headlamps comes out of the '50’s custom car (sometimes referred to as “lead sled”) culture which was largely based in Southern California. The most well known designer of this genre was George Barris, whom I had the pleasure of meeting on several occasions during Monterey car week.
