How do I solve the PS pump location problem?
The reason for changing is to avoid sending full Ah from
the generator to the Amps meter, using 60 yr old wires.–
peder
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Peder: I’m assuming you want to install an alternator…
There was a suggestion from someone on the Saloons forum
that some Japanese diesel truck had an alternator that drove
a power steering pump that could be used to replace the
generator. Search the archives for that.
I also recall a discussion some time ago about putting in an
alternator and using an electric power steering pump to
replace the one mated to the original generator. You’d also
have to check the archives for that solution, assuming there
was some definitive resolution way back whenever.
How about simply updating the wiring from the generator to
the ammeter and leaving the generator installed, if you are
that concerned about aging wires. Wouldn’t that be easiest?–
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How do I solve the PS pump location problem?
The reason for changing is to avoid sending full Ah from
the generator to the Amps meter, using 60 yr old wires.
–
Tom Golodik
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I am 99% sure it is from an older model Toyota SUV such as
Hilux, almost certainly a small diesel version.
A member of our Jag club has one fitted in his S-type, a
very neat install–
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There was a suggestion from someone on the Saloons forum
that some Japanese diesel truck had an alternator that drove
a power steering pump that could be used to replace the
–
Tony
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I fitted an alternator from a Toyota diesel. I was also told it was an
alternator from a Japanese truck. In any event it was a Federated part
number 14667. The alternator has a shaft out the back that can be modified
and mated to the Jag PAS pump. A quick check of the internet doesn’t show
a hit for the part number, but it might be a start.
As an aside, if I had to do it all over again, I would probably go with
the electric power steering. Just my opinion.
george
1962 Mk2
Cincinnati OH
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The original message included these comments:
There was a suggestion from someone on the Saloons forum that some
Japanese diesel truck had an alternator that drove a power steering
pump that could be used to replace the
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Tony
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You mean the Dutch kit which many XK owners install?
Or I just leave the stock setup incl Amps meter and 60 yr
old wiring…–
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As an aside, if I had to do it all over again, I would probably go with
the electric power steering. Just my opinion.
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Peder I used the original amp meter but put a circuit breaker in line for
protection it case of a short. I ran new wires from the alternator (which
has a build in regulator). The new alternator takes only two wires, brown
yellow hooked up to the ing light on the dash, and brown (with a jumper) the
main output to the battery.
This is similar wiring as the traditional Delco Camaro alternator that often
substituted for the Lucas alternator in later MGs and Triumphs.
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Subject: RE: [Saloon-lovers] Alternator in the Mk9
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You mean the Dutch kit which many XK owners install?
Or I just leave the stock setup incl Amps meter and 60 yr old wiring…
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can you fit a voltmeter instead of ammeter?
In the case of an alternator fitment, this is recommended
anyway, but in all cases (as far as I know), means one can
avoid flowing full power thru some of the 60yr old wires.
The S1 XJ Smiths voltmeter looks alike to the older ammeter–
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Or I just leave the stock setup incl Amps meter and 60 yr
old wiring…
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In reply to a message from gpl@fuse.net sent Tue 1 Nov 2016:
Rockauto.com does have an alternator with the part number 14667.
There are different manufacturers listed. Their pictures, however,
are not clear enough to ascertain where, indeed, the shaft coming
off the rear of the alternator protrudes any.–
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alternator from a Japanese truck. In any event it was a Federated part
number 14667. The alternator has a shaft out the back that can be modified
and mated to the Jag PAS pump. A quick check of the internet doesn’t show
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1963 Jaguar Mark X
Austin, Texas, United States
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If someone will send their email address, off line, I can send some
pictures of my set up (engine is currently out of the jag) and a spare
alternator I have in a box
George
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Subject: RE: [Saloon-lovers] Alternator in the Mk9
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Hi George,
When I owned RetroAir (now retired) we had a direct fit Alternator (70Amp) that would mount the original PAS Pump and attach to the original Generator Mounts. XK’s also sells them. It is a very nice set-up.
Rock Browning
Hi,
I appreciate the issue with all the power going through the amp meter as i recently had a short and all the power from the battery cooked the meter. While I’ve had the meter repaired, retaining originality, the shop reckoned I would be much better off with a volt meter. They also queried whether I had done the conversion to an alternator as that is the common cause of cooked ammeters.
Looking for a alternator with the capacity to drive the steering pump I’ve found that a number of diesel vehicles in the early 1990’s had a vacuum pump on the rear of the alternator. One which has 60ah and internal regulator was fitted to Toyota hilux 4WD and the HiAce van but I dont know whether the attachment bolts or shaft diameter will suit, but it may be worth further exploration.
Matt
Matt, in my case, we used a 1/2 in thick aluminum disk with bolt holes to mate the alternator to the pump. We did not need a dog between the two but machined the output shaft of the alternator to match the slot in the pump. I am not certain from what Japanese vehicle it was to fit (I’m told it was a Toyota) but the Federated part number was 14667. Apparently it is still available.
george
Anynew input here?
What alternators that can drive the PS pump in the Mk9…with or without a simple plate between the 2 units.
Peder
Hi Peder,
I used an older Mitsubishi Diesel Van Alternator.
This one has a outgoing shaft.
I modified it to accept the rotor fitted in the pump.
Made a aluminium plate to fit the pump to the alternator.
I have it working this way for more than 15 years on my s-type 1967
Regards,
Peter Jan
In Australia, older model Toyota Hilux Diesel used an alternator/vacuum pump that I have seen fitted to Jags to replace the alt/ps unit
I cannot advise what year, but millions of these were sold in Australia, and other countries
Google/Ebay is your friend
here is the first example I came across
It’s interesting to see this as I also have a MK9.
Are you still running the original double V belt or single V?
I can tell you on Thursday, when with the carn
Peder
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On my S-type I still use the original double V belt.
The pulley on the alternator is the one that came from the dynamo.
Actually the pulley should be smaller for a alternator, but I have no issues.
Regards,
Peter Jan
