[Saloon-lovers] Bentley's and Official Workshop Manual differences?

Hi to everyone! This is my first post here. I’ve just bought my
first Jaguar, a '67 420G and I was curious if the Bentley’s manual
and the ‘‘Official Workshop Manual’’ are the same or very different?
I have a Bentley’s for my BMW 325i and it’s really good, is the Jag
version the same? Thanks, Steve in Colorado.–
Stever
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Stever:

Absolutely not. Bentley has nothing to do with Jaguar and never has; except
for some minor similarities they are totally different. Go onto Ebay and
you’ll be able to find reprints, if not originals, of both the parts manual
and the shop manual, both of which I would HIGHLY recommend you purchase.

Rick Cusack
'67 420G

Hi to everyone! This is my first post here. I’ve just bought my
first Jaguar, a '67 420G and I was curious if the Bentley’s manual
and the ‘‘Official Workshop Manual’’ are the same or very different?
I have a Bentley’s for my BMW 325i and it’s really good, is the Jag
version the same? Thanks, Steve in Colorado.

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In reply to a message from Stever sent Sun 4 Jan 2009:

Steve I have a 420’‘G’’ also–Get a MK 10 4.2 manual for parts and
service–and there is a IPL for the difference in a MK10 4.2 and a
420’‘G’’–
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Hi to everyone! This is my first post here. I’ve just bought my
first Jaguar, a '67 420G and I was curious if the Bentley’s manual
and the ‘‘Official Workshop Manual’’ are the same or very different?
I have a Bentley’s for my BMW 325i and it’s really good, is the Jag
version the same? Thanks, Steve in Colorado.


George Camp
Columbia SC, United States
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In reply to a message from George Camp sent Sun 4 Jan 2009:

I’ll get the Official Jag Manual first. I figured I’d get the
parts book anyway so thanks for mentioning that as well. I’m going
to transport the car up here next weekend and I can start ‘‘poking
around’’ gently with it. The P.O. had run it a little last year but
very poorly and that’s about all I know at the moment. I’m sure
I’ll be back with a few more questions then. Thanks for the
recommendation! -Steve.–
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Steve:

You’ll find a tremendous amount of help and advice on this list; it is an
extremely knowledgeable group which has dealt with virtually every problem
imagineable with these old Saloons, so use it extensively. I have owned two
420G’s and can submit that you will truly enjoy this big cat - comfortable,
fast, and tremendous handling, but be willing and prepared to spend time and
money to keep it running properly.

Rick Cusack

I’ll get the Official Jag Manual first. I figured I’d get the

parts book anyway so thanks for mentioning that as well. I’m going
to transport the car up here next weekend and I can start ‘‘poking
around’’ gently with it. The P.O. had run it a little last year but
very poorly and that’s about all I know at the moment. I’m sure
I’ll be back with a few more questions then. Thanks for the
recommendation! -Steve.

Stever

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In reply to a message from Rick Cusack sent Sun 4 Jan 2009:

I think there is some confusion here. IIRC there was an
after market publisher of motor manuals called Bentley.
They had nothing to do with the Bentley automobile the
cousin of Rolls Royce. I do not have any experience with
the Bentley series of manuals but can recommended the
official factory manuals which are quite comprehensive.–
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Absolutely not. Bentley has nothing to do with Jaguar and never has; except
for some minor similarities they are totally different. Go onto Ebay and
you’ll be able to find reprints, if not originals, of both the parts manual


John Quilter 1965 3.8S, 1951 MGTD, 1960 Morris Minor,
Brisbane, California, United States
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In reply to a message from John Quilter sent Sun 4 Jan 2009:

Sorry, I never meant the automobile maker. The publisher Bentley
markets some pretty thorough and well illustrated manuals. These
books are nothing like crappy Chilton’s manuals…
If you look here:

http://www.bentleypublishers.com/product.htm?code=YJW4

you’ll see that the 420G manual is a reprint of the factory manual
and that was confusing me since they also produce their own text
too.
I’m glad to hear there are knowledgeable helpful owners here,
because I’ll need plenty of advice and encouragement getting the
beast going!
Thanks again, -Steve in Colorado.–
Stever
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In reply to a message from Stever sent Sun 4 Jan 2009:

I would buy them both. The factory Service Manual, AND the
Bentley Publishers’ manual. It’s not like there is LOTS of
information about those cars, so every bit helps.

try the link at the top of the Saloons page to order the
Factory service manual CD from the Jaguar Daimler Heritage
Trust, (JDHT), though you might also order it from sources
here in the States, you will find this is one rare Jaguar
model, and the original service manuals even rarer.

Zurdo–
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http://www.bentleypublishers.com/product.htm?code=YJW4
you’ll see that the 420G manual is a reprint of the factory manual
and that was confusing me since they also produce their own text
too.
Thanks again, -Steve in Colorado.


1965 3.8 ‘S’ 1984 XJ-6
Tennessee, United States
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Hi Steve: Congrats on the new purchase. I am not familiar with the Bentleys
publications, but I am with the Jaguar original service and parts manuals.
They are large, loose-leaf publications that lend themselves well to
photocopying the originals for use in the shop so that you do not get oil and dirt on
the originals. Unfortunately, there are no dedicated
manuals to the 420-G. Jaguar, being a bit frugal, did not print new manuals
when the G
came out. Rather, they added a thin supplement to the 4.2 MK10 service
manual and the
same thing to the 4.2 MK10 parts manual. I would suspect that Bentleys, if
they even offer something for the 420-G, did somewhat the same thing, but
again, I have never seen their
publications and stand to be corrected.
If you have any interest in acquiring original Jaguar manuals, I have
spares of the 4.2
parts and 4.2 service binders and a spare original 420-G service supplement.
These are original Jaguar publications, not the poor rip-off photocopies that
appear on Ebay all the time. I only have one original G parts supplement
that I do not want to sell, but I can supply a photocopy of that if you purchase
the others. If you have any interest, please contact me off-list.
Regards, Bob McAnelly
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Hi Steve: Took a look at your link. It appears that Bentley must be working
with Jaguar to reprint their service manuals. Thus, this book appears to be
a compilation of the 3.8 MK10, 4.2 MK10 and 420G service manuals, all in one
publication. I suspect that this is all original Jaguar pages, simply
reprinted in a permanent binding. It looks like you have two choices
for the same text-- the Bentley all in one or original publications in
loose-leaf format.
Regards, Bob McAnelly

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In reply to a message from Jagdad11@aol.com sent Mon 5 Jan 2009:

Bob I would like the 420G suppliment for the Mk 10 service manual–
Like you I only have one copy of the IPL but while here do you have
copies of the IPLs for the 240 and 340? Just got mine last year–
tough to find! BTW do you have a spare mossbox with OD for sale?
Needs to be useable for a 1960 3.8 MK2?–
George Camp
Columbia SC, United States
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Hi George: I think I have two spare copies of the 420-G service supplement.
Let me check to make sure. I do have one original 240/340 parts supplement.
I do have a MK2 with an overdrive Moss box in it. This is a very rusty
car-- 3.8, power steering and wire wheels, numbers matching, that I was hoping
that someone would purchase to convert an auto with steel wheels, but I have
not gotten any takers. It is about time to finish parting it out, but would
prefer to sell you the whole enchalada.

Regards, Bob McAnelly

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Really? Bentley’s “Complete Official Jaguar ‘E’” is an exact reprint of the
factory service manual.

Mike Eck
New Jersey, USA
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'51 XK120 OTS, '62 3.8 MK2 MOD, '72 SIII E-Type 2+2

Absolutely not. Bentley has nothing to do with Jaguar and never has;
except
for some minor similarities they are totally different.

Rick Cusack

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Mike,

I think Rick was confused between Bentley automobiles and

Bentley automotive repair manuals. I have the same Bentley’s “Complete
Official Jaguar ‘E’” as you do and use it for work on my E-Type.

Regards,

Paul M. Novak

1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1985 XJ6 Vanden Plas (parts)
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
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differences?

Really? Bentley’s “Complete Official Jaguar ‘E’” is an exact reprint of
the
factory service manual.

Mike Eck
New Jersey, USA
www.jaguarclock.com
'51 XK120 OTS, '62 3.8 MK2 MOD, '72 SIII E-Type 2+2

Absolutely not. Bentley has nothing to do with Jaguar and never has;
except
for some minor similarities they are totally different.

Rick Cusack

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In reply to a message from Mike Eck sent Mon 5 Jan 2009:

I now think they are one in the same…a reprint in cooperation
with Jaguar. I’ll know more when it shows up in the mail. Here’s
the text from (publisher) Bentley website:
''Jaguar Mark X 3.8, 4.2 and 420G Service Manual: 1961-1969
by Jaguar Cars Ltd.
Hardcover, 8 1/2 in. x 11 3/4 in.
364 pages
Bentley Stock Number: YJW4
Jaguar Publication No. E136/2
ISBN-13: 978-0-8376-0577-7
Price: $104.95
Jaguar Mark X 3.8, 4.2 and 420G Repair Manual: 1961-1969
Includes supplements for Jaguar Mark X 3.8 and Jaguar 420G models.

This Jaguar service information includes wiring diagrams,
maintenance tables and technical data.’’–
Stever
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