[Saloon-lovers] White Hole Mate and step on it

In reply to a message from seminole_kev sent Fri 27 Feb 2004:

Kevin,
The two values should actually be the same, but since few people
drain their engines centrifcally, there is always a bit left in the
filter, ways, pump.
In other words, you are correct.
Mr Saltwick… Is the missing .946 equally distributed, or is
there a lubricant black hole somewhere?

Andrew

Yes, the black hole is the filter. If you drain and refill, you leave a
quart (king’s foot) of dirty oil in the filter. If you change the filter, you
need to add more oil to get back to where you started. My advice is, never not
change the filter, but first study the diagram before you throw out the baby
with the bathwater. Do not overfill the engine, most dipsticks are wrong. Put
in the correct amount, see where it registers, and adjust the dipstick
accordingly.

I have a new computer and it is fighting me with amusing veracity. I still
know how to pull the plug out of the wall.

Paul

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In reply to a message from Tlsalt@aol.com sent Fri 27 Feb 2004:

Interesting as I always change the filter on a car when doing the
oil, so I would have been just fine going by the ‘‘full’’ amount.
Surprised anyone would drain the oil but not change the filter (or
at a bare minimum I guess, drain off the filter section). Don’t see
much point to running 6 quarts of clean oil with a dirty 7th
running around in it.–
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In reply to a message from seminole_kev sent Fri 27 Feb 2004:

Hello Kevin,

Just a guess on my part, but the oil filters on XK engines came in
two basic configurations.
Some pointed up, and would drain when the plug is pulled, and
others pointed down, and would need to be removed in order to drain
the remaining oil.

Perhaps they maintained a consistant verbage in the books in order
to minimize confusion between the two types.–
Dan Davis 59 3.4 litre (Mark 1) Auto RHD
Santa Monica, United States
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In reply to a message from seminole_kev sent Fri 27 Feb 2004:

  Well Kev let shed a little lite on this oil changing thing. 

Those of us that value that $6000.00 engine in our cars change oil
sans filter at 1500 Miles.At 3000 miles we change Oil and filter.
Hope this clarifies the statement.It is also worth noting that to
eliminate oil pump priming a certain amount of oil is retained in
the sump no matter what you do-short of removing it. The filter can
will keep you entertained enough.-Regards—GNB–
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Interesting as I always change the filter on a car when doing the
oil, so I would have been just fine going by the ‘‘full’’ amount.
Surprised anyone would drain the oil but not change the filter (or
at a bare minimum I guess, drain off the filter section). Don’t see
much point to running 6 quarts of clean oil with a dirty 7th
running around in it.


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In reply to a message from GNB sent Fri 27 Feb 2004:

While we are talking about the oil filter, what filter do you use.
I’ve cross referenced to a Fram oil filter# CH801BPL that needs an
additional gasket# SP135367. Any other reasonable brands that
produce a filter that will fit a 3.4/3.8L motor? Is it easy to come
by, or do you have to special order it?–
seminole_kev
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In reply to a message from Tlsalt@aol.com sent Fri 27 Feb 2004:

Judging by eye, the filter case on mine is close to 1l. I
don’t really see the point in changing the oil without
changing the filter, given the rest of the investment in the
car. Mind you, we shouldn’t judge service manuals written
for everyday use from our prespective. The reason that
Kevin is having trouble figring our how to put his interior
back together was that the guy who wrote the manual presumed
that whoever removed the bits would be:

a) the same guy that put them back in.
and
b) he would be putting them back in about 12 hours after
he’d removed them.

Getting back to the subject… there was a discussion about
dipstick accuracy on the E forum a while back. Just how
much gauge error would you say there actually is on the
dipstick generally? Is it because the sump/casting
thickness varies or is it because the dipstick tube soedn’t
locate in the block accurately, or is it because the stick
stop (the bit with the felt thingy) slips?
(inquiring minds want to know!)

Andrew–
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with the bathwater. Do not overfill the engine, most dipsticks are wrong. Put


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In reply to a message from Andrew Waugh sent Fri 27 Feb 2004:

Ha Ha. No kidding Andrew! :wink:

Working on that interior, I keep cussing to myself ‘‘If only I was
the one that took it apart, this would be so much easier’’.
Interestingly enough, everyone takes pictures of the outside of
their Mk IIs, or the dash. Hardly any pictures of the rest of the
interior. I’ve been taking a fair amount of digital pictures while
I’m working. When I’m done, maybe I’ll put a little site together
to help others when they go to put one back together.

Luckly there was one photo of Makoto Honjo’s car with him sitting
in the interior that helped (as far as the front half went). I
could go downtown to the local Jag dealer as they have a nice 3.8
Mk II sitting on the showroom floor and look around, but then my
wife will start pestering me about getting an X or S type again.
Last time I ventured down there, I just about had to get a crowbar
to get her out of that dealership!–
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Kevin is having trouble figring our how to put his interior
back together was that the guy who wrote the manual presumed
that whoever removed the bits would be:
a) the same guy that put them back in.
and
b) he would be putting them back in about 12 hours after
he’d removed them.
Andrew


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In reply to a message from seminole_kev sent Fri 27 Feb 2004:

Kevin
Your questions of the last while have showed to me that,
although I thought I had taken enough photos (3 CDs and the
car still isn’t completely dismantled), there are a few
things which I now realize that I didn’t manage to document.
Fortunately we have the list, and most things are
relatively easy to figure out if you were the guy who
dismantled it.

Andrew–
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interior. I’ve been taking a fair amount of digital pictures while
I’m working. When I’m done, maybe I’ll put a little site together


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