Trivia note.
Jaguar /SS used cycle thread on the tappetadjusting screws,
5/16” , the higher TPI giving finer adjustment.
Yes the paint of the times didn’t stand up well to the long sea voyage and there is a photo of a new MKV being stripped to bare metal for repainting.
My old MKViI left the factory in bronze but was sold new by Bryson’s in black,and had been very thoroughly stripped prior to painting.
Hello Paul,
Was Jaguar’s expectation of Lucas originally less than perfection, especially in relation to the headlights?
You did make me laugh for quite a while with the comment below on the Escutcheon Forum!
I was under the impression that the three positions were, “Dim,” “flicker,” and “off.”
As far as being a perfectionist goes I wish that I wasn’t such a pedant because no sooner do you resolve one issue it then cries poor to another. Me, the pedant, is at present replacing all the modern philips-head screws liberally distributed throughout the car by a previous owner. I need to get a life!
One thing that I do appreciate is all the witty banter from people. Sadly being a “character” seems to be dying out in the younger generations.
Cheers,
Timothy Fox
Hi Rob et al,
Lord Louis Mountbatten was keen on Rileys I’m told and was also quite keen on two-tones. As I recall Riley painted many in two- tones and they were referred to as “The Mountbatten Split”! So it would seem that this style of finish was not exclusively favoured by Americans.
I heard back from Andrea & Geoff from Roger’s Motors who said that they no longer have in stock pumps or hoses. They suggested I look on the internet, which I have been doing for a long time now.
Sadly, Cordell Newby has no more stock either Ed.
The pump for your car, Rob, looks remarkably like a Shelley product though the feet of your pump are far more thin than the “Shelley” marked pump I bought.
I’d just be happy with a new hose now.
Cheers,
Tim
If one cannot laugh at life—especially one’s own—then the whole trip can be very miserable!
Glad you gotta giggle from my warped sense of humor!
Yes Paul, your humour is quite similar to my own. Sadly I find it can be lost on some.
Life is tough enough and happily humour makes it more tolerable.
Cheers,
Timothy Fox
Words to live by: laughing is better than crying!
Cycle thread, of course I didn’t recognize it, being only aware of it through our discussion of the rocker arm ball pins.
Thanks Roger.
My hose end matches your picture in all measurements within tolerance. I have a rubber sealing ring with square cross section on mine.
As to being original to the car…
My Mark V was dispatched 18 April 1950 and body number G6468 would put it at roughly midway in the production run. It was sold by Hoffman in New York.
The pump was in the car in 1969, and two previous owners back to 1962 lived within 10 miles of me. It didn’t work, bad seal inside. About half the other tools were gone or fallen down inside the boot lid, i.e. no attempt by POs to replenish the tool kit.
In those days US made tire pumps of all quality levels proliferated the new and used market here, and British made tire pumps would have been totally unknown in the US except in Jaguars.
I never saw another Mark V or IV for several years before or after buying mine, though there were some 120s about.
So unless it was replaced in the first decade by a Jag dealer from older stock, it seems likely to me to be factory original to the car.
Here are three possible sources for the green hose –
Carey Chadd
jdctools1@yahoo.com
Tom Buckus
tbuckus@comcast.net
Doug Pelton
(From the Frame Up (a pre-war/early post-war MG specialist)
doug@fromtheframeup.com
or
dougpelton@cox.net
PS - one or both of the fittings may not be correct.
Ron
Hi Ron,
Thank you for these leads I will make contact presently then let you know how I get on.
I’m happy to post my damaged hose to the supplier so that they can use the fittings on the hose.
Cheers,
Timothy Fox
Hi Ron,
I’ve heard back from Doug Pelton www.FromTheFrameUp.com and he is going to make me a new hose using my fittings. I really like the green colour even though it’s not as the original.
Thanks again fo your help, greatly appreciated.
Cheers,
Timothy Fox
Hi Tim, seeing this post made me consider the condition of my pump hose. I think I will jump in the bandwagon and get mine repaired/replaced at the same place… Although mine has the original hose, it is cracked and the fitting are held on with baling wire.
Cheers, Jon.
Jon and Timothy.
If you use your original fittings, and just get a new braided hose fitted, it should all work OK.
But if you buy a complete replacement hose, be careful, as the pump end thread does vary supplier to supplier.
When the pump end fitting shows being a hexagon, it is most likely the later pump fitting with a 1/4"BSF hexagon and a 3/8" BSC male thread. If the fitting is round with grooves in it, as per my previous picture, it is most likely 11/32"BSC, but note this is for original Jaguar pumps only. I can’t comment on non Jaguar pumps, including SHELLEY.
Although , perhaps not as happy with O’ Reilly’s at the end. : >)
Hello,
I received my tyre pump hose back from the USA and it’s fantastic! They used my original fittings so there would be no problem with threads. It’s hard to believe that my original hose was actually the same colour as the refurbished one! I thought it was different but as you look closely at the threads underneath the outer layer of the old hose you can see the green.
I can highly recommend From the Frame Up https://www.fromtheframeup.com
The owner Doug Pelton is a terrifically nice guy.
Now all I need to do is refurbish and paint the pump.
Cheers,
Tim
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This could be an alternative to consider for some. I sent some lengths of new rubber hose to the vintage wiring people and they put them through their braiding machine. You can nominate the colour, then refit the ends upon return.
By the way, has anyone shortened the Shelley style pump? I have one that is just a bit too long. The base looks as though it is soldered into the cast base, as do my other ones. Does anyone know if this is just a soldered joint or a threaded and soldered joint. I don’t have the means to re-thread the tube and I am hoping it is just a plain sleeved and soldered joint. If threaded, it will no doubt be a 26 brass.
I thoroughly agree with dropping in some lighthearted banter in the dialogues, as life is about enjoyment and we should be able to laugh at ourselves and our hobby from time to time. I do object to foul and derogatory language in any guise as it lowers the standards significantly of any forum. There are some really toxic and objectionable words and comments in other forums - totally unjustified and unnecessary. So thanks everyone, the postings are always enjoyable to read.
Peter (IV)
I had not realized how very faded my original hose covering is.
You want to shorten the tube, not the shaft? I would expect the tube to be just soldered into the base, not threaded as well, that sounds like too much work and labor cost. But the other end is threaded. Put a propane torch on it and see what gives.
From the beginning of jag-lovers in '93 I have tried to steer conversations toward the gentlemanly avenue and away from the gutter, though we of course live in a fallen world. I notice now that the vetting of photos has ended a questionable shot was posted on saloons.
I agree. I think it would just be sleeved and soldered, and I guess I will find out soon. The top is threaded, of course, to get to the leather bucket washer for lubrication or replacement. I will be shortening the stem if required and it seems to only have the good 'ol Whitworth thread.
I think these pumps were in several specifications as I have an all-brass one which looks great and I don’t care if that is not the style used - it looks like the quality that one would expect of the period and certainly attracts such comments when displayed. Maybe this standard was for the posh people swanning about in their RR or WO Bentley carriage. I also have several hose adaptors for the pump base that are heavily tapered threads in lieu of the conventional parallel. No doubt as a simple means of tightening and loosening by finger and avoiding binding.
Another curly one and maybe this needs to go into a separate posting. I need the adjustable knuckle, two actually, for the stem of the jack. I have the rest. Cordell used to make these jacks but I doubt he will restock again, and anyway I don’t know whether this would provide a pathway to be able to just obtain the knuckles. I haven’t been able to contact him on e-mail for about a year as his contact address is blocked for some reason.
Vetting of photos and /or posts ahead of publication really stifles forums. It is much better to tolerate a short time with objectionable material on display and to censor it after posting along with appropriate warnings of banishment.
Peter