Small Chrome Plugs for the XK120 Door Trim/ End for Storage Flap Bead Weltings

I have only recently been made aware that the Door Trims on the XK120 OTS have a Storage Pocket that has a Flap. The Flap has a Bead Welting that apparently was plugged at both ends with a Chrome / Polished Plug. I cannot fond any reference to these except in Robert Sheridan’s book. Can someone verify these from the factory?

Having owned an OTS from near-new I can vouch for the presence of the “plug” . During restoration I used a stainless oval-head rivet as a replacement.
Good luck.

Here’s an image from Robert Sheridan’s XK120. I was skeptical at first, as I had never seen them before. So I contacted my excommunicated Jag-Lover friend, Godfrey Miller, about the authenticity of the four chrome plugs. Godfrey, like Dick, confirmed they were indeed supplied from the factory on the XK120.

I recently fabricated four of these plugs, which should be back from my chrome plater in a couple of weeks.

Hello Dick,
Could you please attach a couple of pictures of the original Plugs that are in your car? Thank you.

That pic just may qualify as XK porn,

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All the cars I have seen and had have them inc 140 roadster and they are so simple
chrome bifurcated rivet stuck down end of hole nothing more nothing less

Small Chrome Plugs for the XK120 Door Trim/ End for Storage Flap Bead Weltings

Because things have become so contentious and there are individuals scrutinizing the minutest details, I would like to know what the original Plugs looked like. That way we can all avoid the “How correct is this?” question down the road!

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Again, my question is, was it a Chrome plated Plug or a Shiny Rivet as the cars came from the factory? There are a lot of things that can be classified as “nothing more, nothing less”. But if we are looking for an “Authentic” detail as in the BEES Bolts, correct Radii on the Tool Bag / Roll and other similar issues, I would like to know what the Original Plugs were made of and what is the “correct” finish. Chrome Plated, Nickel Plated, Brass or Polished Aluminum or even Stainless Steel. I don’t believe the factory would have taken a Split Rivet and stuck it in the end of the Welting. Maybe, that’s all we can do today…!!! For instance, if someone was seriously showing their car, I am sure they would be very annoyed to have their 100 Point Score spoiled by 4 x 0.10 = 0,40 turns the score to a 99.96 car for having or missing Non Authentic parts. Personally, I have been on the receiving end of JCNA Judging that replicated the same situation as what I listed above. Thank you, I am sure there are people who will make comments here, and I would like to hear them. I hope this does not generate a lot of acrimony here on this Thread!!!

the chrome plated bifurcated rivet stuck down the hole!
Interestingly enough without starting an international incident I had seen all these 99**.** plus concour results and wondered how all the American cars could score such high result so I got on an aeroplane and flew to the 1985 Milwaukee biennial JCNA concour and walked up the line at the Zoo.
After an hour of listening to all of this waffle from owners on how perfect their cars were I decided it was time for action. So I started making comments ie why is that wrong, that’s missing you got this wrong etc etc. After a while I had the locals coming up to me asking questions surprised they didn’t have guns. After I had viewed all the cars I walked up to a bloke with from memory a late series 2 E type and noted you will win the show!
He actually came second the car that won had so much wrong with it you could write a book the car was a C type Jaguar XKC007 holes drilled in bits that shouldn’t be etc. From memory the scores were identical but there were points allocated for someone who helped organise the show!!!
A 99 point car at US show wouldn’t rate a 95 in Australia.
Terry McGrath
Australian Concour judge

Terry, I had also heard that the chrome plugs were bifurcated (split) rivets like you show in the photo above. However, I was not able to find split rivets with wide enough heads to fit the openings above the door flaps on my car. The largest split rivets I could find have head diameters of 5/16 inches. My car will require rivets with a head diameter of 7/16 inches.

Maybe it’s just the way my doors were re-trimmed, or maybe there were split rivets available with wider heads back in the 1950s. At any rate, I purchased the rivets below and then turned-down their tails to the profile of nails. There is an interior foam rod that I will press the rivets into. (Like an oversize thumb tack.)

As I mentioned earlier, the rivets are currently at my chrome plater. When they are back from the chrome plater and installed above the door flaps, i’ll post additional photos.

Unfortunately trimmed with wrong size rubber tube. Using correct size will sort

From Terry’s comments it is evident that the Jaguar community has different standards by which they judge the cars. Exactly my question! If the Judging Standards vary so significantly, why doesn’t the “ Governing Body” get together and come up with a single set of rules?
I was at the same Jaguar Biennial in the Zoo that Terry refers to. I was in the same Class # 15 - Competition Class as the CType Serial #007, Phil Hills ex - race car. The owner also brought his XK-SS and his XK120 Graebner Coupe. Very loud voice and also ex-president of the JCNA . How do you complete against that?
We finally won the National in Class #15, but it left such a bad taste that we quit after 5 years of competition. We did meet some great people and saw some great places, but as far as the judging went, there was very little consistency. Pity!

With respect to JCNA, thanks to Dick Cavicke’s tireless efforts, they have a very thorough rule book. The problem lies with individual judge competency. On the average they are car owners just like us who are familiar with the model they own but they have no incentive to learn judging details of other models. Complicate that with the fact that some clubs place the social aspect of a Concours at a higher priority than accurate judging. I was they guy that kept the books on this stuff for several years and found it very frustrating. I feel sorry for a person that spent several hundred grand on a restoration only to have it judged by someone who can’t tell the difference between an XK-120, 140 or 150………clunk…me stepping off my soap box…
Pat H

So what you’re saying Karl and Terry is that 37 years ago things were not to your liking?

Which originality guide and judge training and certification system do you use to ensure consistency, and can anyone buy a copy of that guide?

Thank you Pat, for your comments. Great in hindsight. Some of these situations occurred in the mid 90’s! How many years is that, and from the looks of things, not much has changed to date. I still see numerous issues in today’s Judging Standards, made by “reputable “ people. The other issue is that if you perhaps bring up some particular details, you will find yourself labeled as a “ Stirrer”… Who wants that?

Yes, that Judging Guide is available to anyone. Online. It does cover almost everything, but the people doing the final applications of those rules, quite often do not know how to translate the words in the Guide into application to a particular car, model or part and then will not discuss the issue with the owner or restorer.

OK, just give your top three of the numerous issues:

Not you, of course, because you are being scrupulously accurate and detailed in your critique so that others may be guided by your expertise and that of the team you worked with over a series of years and cross-checked drafts, based on factory info, to rule out any mistakes?

After all, such surgical precision is mandatory if one hopes “to avoid stirring up acrimony on this thread.” Casually lobbing hand grenades would be the opposite.

As for discussions during the judging process, how many minutes of discussion would you expect a judge to allocate out of the few minutes they have per car? I’ve never entered a concours or judged one, but I can spot an agenda-laden generalization from someone who cites thirty seven year old data an and has failed to come up with any better system or even a better guide for a single model. How much do you know about judge training and testing? When did you last complete it, or renew your certification? What improvements would you suggest for volunteers to give up their time to train and interact with entrants who don’t wish to use the formal dispute and appeal systems put in place to allow entrants to put their view forward, backed with suitable evidence?

Sounds pretty damn acrimonious to me! And from someone who has never shown a car? Or judged?? Wow!!

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Er… I’ve just remembered why I have no interest in Concours d’État events…

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That makes at least two of us…:face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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