[x-type] Supercharged variants (was New to List)

I’m curious if there are any plans for an X-Type R. I think that an
X-Type R would unintentionally compete against and beat the F-Type in
performance for its market segment.

For the record, I’m an XJR and Jag V12 fanatic, but bought my XJ6 because I
couldn’t wait and was in between Jags. :slight_smile:

I don’t see the F-Type as anything but an R only version, but I think I’m
going to be in for big disappointment when its released. At least
initially.

The F-Type is supposed to be targeted at a $40k price range. Unless your
absolutely hooked on the styling, why opt for the F-Type if there is an
X-Type R for what I would guess to be a very similiar price?

An XKR is no longer the top of the line R version with the S-Type R put into
production. Its going to fall further down the pack as any other R variants
will likely be less expensive then the S/XK/XJ variants.

Jaguars with more performance then the older brothers for less then $80k?
Sweet, supercharged music to my ears.

Sunny
'97 XJ6 Anthracite
Sherman Oaks, CA----- Original Message -----
From: “Ken” AgentShephard@hotmail.com
To: “Lee Fisk” hogwldfltr@msn.com; x-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [x-type] New to List

As for power, we are
going to have top wait and see what the X-Type R turns out like… I
wonder
if the could shoehorn the 4.0 V8 sideways in the engine bay ;))
(snip)

I did not know the F-Type was going to be in the 40 k bracket, I always just
figured it would get slotted in above the S-Type, Interesting… As for the
X-Type R, I read somewher that it was slated for either 04 or 05, but I
can’t remember where. Nor were there any details about what the drivetrain
would be like. But I do not think it would take anything away from the
F-Type, as the practical differences between a 4 door Saloon and a Roadster.
But I would not mind if they slip the Supercharger from the F-Type into an
X-Type for the R series. 300 HP would do quite nicely, at least that’s how
much they claim on the F-Type page. http://www.jaguarcars.com/uk/ftype/
Much as I would love a V-8, I just can’t see how they could fit one in
an X-Type with its Transverse mounted engine.

Ride Safe!
Ken Shephard
Inwood,WV
@Ken3
'02 X-TYPE 2.5 Auto Topaz/Sand----- Original Message -----
From: “Sunny Garofalo” jaguarxj12@earthlink.net
To: “Ken” <@Ken3>
Cc: x-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:12 AM
Subject: [x-type] Supercharged variants (was New to List)

I’m curious if there are any plans for an X-Type R. I think that an
X-Type R would unintentionally compete against and beat the F-Type in
performance for its market segment.

For the record, I’m an XJR and Jag V12 fanatic, but bought my XJ6 because
I
couldn’t wait and was in between Jags. :slight_smile:

I don’t see the F-Type as anything but an R only version, but I think I’m
going to be in for big disappointment when its released. At least
initially.

The F-Type is supposed to be targeted at a $40k price range. Unless your
absolutely hooked on the styling, why opt for the F-Type if there is an
X-Type R for what I would guess to be a very similiar price?

An XKR is no longer the top of the line R version with the S-Type R put
into
production. Its going to fall further down the pack as any other R
variants
will likely be less expensive then the S/XK/XJ variants.

Jaguars with more performance then the older brothers for less then $80k?
Sweet, supercharged music to my ears.

Sunny
'97 XJ6 Anthracite
Sherman Oaks, CA

Here’s the story on the X-Type R including spy photos. No guesstimate on
the list price, but one would think if it were much higher it would defeat
the marketing purpose of the X-Type completely (IMHO $.02).

http://www.sportscartesting.com/news/jaguar/id276/pg1001

Mark
3.0L auto> -----Original Message-----

From: owner-x-type@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x-type@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 3:12 AM
To: x-type@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [x-type] Supercharged variants (was New to List)

I did not know the F-Type was going to be in the 40 k bracket, I
always just
figured it would get slotted in above the S-Type, Interesting…
As for the
X-Type R, I read somewher that it was slated for either 04 or 05, but I
can’t remember where. Nor were there any details about what the
drivetrain
would be like. But I do not think it would take anything away from the
F-Type, as the practical differences between a 4 door Saloon and
a Roadster.
But I would not mind if they slip the Supercharger from the F-Type into an
X-Type for the R series. 300 HP would do quite nicely, at least that’s how
much they claim on the F-Type page. http://www.jaguarcars.com/uk/ftype/
Much as I would love a V-8, I just can’t see how they could
fit one in
an X-Type with its Transverse mounted engine.

Ride Safe!
Ken Shephard
Inwood,WV
AgentShephard@hotmail.com
'02 X-TYPE 2.5 Auto Topaz/Sand

----- Original Message -----
From: “Sunny Garofalo” jaguarxj12@earthlink.net
To: “Ken” AgentShephard@hotmail.com
Cc: x-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:12 AM
Subject: [x-type] Supercharged variants (was New to List)

I’m curious if there are any plans for an X-Type R. I think that an
X-Type R would unintentionally compete against and beat the F-Type in
performance for its market segment.

For the record, I’m an XJR and Jag V12 fanatic, but bought my
XJ6 because
I
couldn’t wait and was in between Jags. :slight_smile:

I don’t see the F-Type as anything but an R only version, but I
think I’m
going to be in for big disappointment when its released. At least
initially.

The F-Type is supposed to be targeted at a $40k price range.
Unless your
absolutely hooked on the styling, why opt for the F-Type if there is an
X-Type R for what I would guess to be a very similiar price?

An XKR is no longer the top of the line R version with the S-Type R put
into
production. Its going to fall further down the pack as any other R
variants
will likely be less expensive then the S/XK/XJ variants.

Jaguars with more performance then the older brothers for less
then $80k?
Sweet, supercharged music to my ears.

Sunny
'97 XJ6 Anthracite
Sherman Oaks, CA

Hi Mark,

Am I missing something looks just like my 3.0 Sport
with the exception of the wheels. Mine is the same
color. (Titanium) although the prosperct of 300HP in
my car, certainly make me want to have one.

I just got mine back from the dealer most of the
“niggling” things were fixed.
As for dealers I have been doing business with mine
for 12 years, and have always found him to be
exceptionally fair. Not always the rock-bottom price
when I bought the car, however close to it. Certainely
worth the extra to be treated well.

Thanks David

2002 X-Type 3.0 5 speed manual, Titanium/Charcoal__________________________________________________
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Hi David,

No, I don’t think you’re missing something. The article says there
are body-style changes, but I certainly don’t see them. Quite frankly,
I don’t want larger wheels and tires. I had that with all my sporty
German predecessors and paid through the nose for replacement tires. I
love having those standard-size Continental H-rated tires. One less
out-of-pocket to gripe about.

As for dealing with dealers, a lot of us owned older Jags prior to the
X-Type and have had to become DIYers or find a good independent mechanic.
I’m sure we’re all feeling a bit awkward having to go to the dealer for
basic service covered under warranty when the dealer was always a last
resort.

One frustration, though. Given that it’s a brand new car and all the major
scheduled services will be done at the dealer, I’d really like to keep
the service records consistent and have the optional services done there
as well. These still, however, remain ridiculously high-priced. My dealer
charged $75 for a 5K oil change(!!!). I had it done there only because I
had a gift certificate from Jag corporate (resulting from a prior complaint)
that was about to expire. So what do I do at odd-numbered future oil
changes? I don’t like waiting 10K to change oil the way I drive, and am
not really wanting to hop back and forth between my independent and the
dealer.

Mark
3.0L auto> -----Original Message-----

From: David Reich [mailto:reichdavid@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 9:46 AM
To: Mark Boileau; x-type@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [x-type] Supercharged variants (was New to List)

Hi Mark,

Am I missing something looks just like my 3.0 Sport
with the exception of the wheels. Mine is the same
color. (Titanium) although the prosperct of 300HP in
my car, certainly make me want to have one.

I just got mine back from the dealer most of the
“niggling” things were fixed.
As for dealers I have been doing business with mine
for 12 years, and have always found him to be
exceptionally fair. Not always the rock-bottom price
when I bought the car, however close to it. Certainely
worth the extra to be treated well.

Thanks David

2002 X-Type 3.0 5 speed manual, Titanium/Charcoal


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http://health.yahoo.com

ouch

I only pay 49.95 for the oil change on the XKR, all included. That’s a big
difference within the Jaguar Dealership network !

I’ve never had to complain about service cost n the non warranty issues…
$35 labor to replace the front pads, $ 105 for the pads…

Pascal

One frustration, though. Given that it’s a brand new car and all the
major
scheduled services will be done at the dealer, I’d really like to keep
the service records consistent and have the optional services done there
as well. These still, however, remain ridiculously high-priced. My
dealer
charged $75 for a 5K oil change(!!!). I had it done there only because I
had a gift certificate from Jag corporate (resulting from a prior
complaint)----- Original Message -----
From: “Mark Boileau” mark.boileau@windriver.com
that was about to expire. So what do I do at odd-numbered future oil
changes? I don’t like waiting 10K to change oil the way I drive, and am
not really wanting to hop back and forth between my independent and the
dealer.

Hi Mark,

I usually purchase demo or used( off-lease) vehicles.
I do not believe in absorbing the full depreciation
that occurs during the first two years.

Jag car history:

in 1990 - 1990 Sovereign - (OK -bought it new -
present for the wife)
in 1994 - 1994 XJS V12 Convertible (demo 6K miles -
two year free maintenance)
in 1996 - 1995 VDP 30K miles on it (best car I owned
traded with 110K in 2001)

in 1997 - 1996 XJS 4.0 Convertible (demo 9K miles)

in 2001 - 2000 XJ8 (traded VDP and XJS for XJ8 - 16K
miles select edition warranty - did not like the way
it drove - too loose, thought it was the car, but
dealer gave me a brand new one with 69 miles on it
-felt the same way)

Gave me 2002 X-Type as a loaner during my service
loved the way it drove and traded my 2000 XJ8 for -
demo (6k miles) 2002 X-Type 3.0 Sport with 5 speed
manual - what a great driving car !!!

David…

AS to Dealers…Remember that they run a business and
have overhead that needs to be spread across services,
I found that over the years I benefitted in service
that the dealer performed,(i.e. after warranty elapsed
the headliner on my VDP caved in at the rear window,
he repaired it for me with no labor charge (3 hours
etc…If I think about it I can come up with a dozen
instances were the dealer went out of his way to
accommodate me, even when Jag corporate would
not…“the dark days of the early nineties…”__________________________________________________
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The info on that site is outdated. Car n Driver recently had a 3 page
article on the latest developement, it’s nothing 100% proven of course but
seems to be more researched than your typical spy shot.

it included a mid engine configuration based on the X-type engine, 3.0 for
starter. The car will be light so that should be adequate for entry level
but I hope they don’t make the mistakes others have made coming out with
undepowered cars. Z3, Boxter ( non S ), CLKs, etc…

I think that for the F to be succesful, it will need performance to match
its looks and be at the same level of performance its spiritual ancestors
where at the time ( E-type, XK120, etc… ). That means 0-60 of below
5sec… heck if chevy can do it for 50k …

With the succes of the X, I don’t think an R model will take as long as it
did for S to come out. The car market is once again performance driven, just
look at ads, HP numbers are oftern in the spotlight

Pascal----- Original Message -----
From: “Ken” AgentShephard@hotmail.com
To: x-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 6:12 AM
Subject: Re: [x-type] Supercharged variants (was New to List)

I did not know the F-Type was going to be in the 40 k bracket, I always
just
figured it would get slotted in above the S-Type, Interesting… As for
the
X-Type R, I read somewher that it was slated for either 04 or 05, but I
can’t remember where. Nor were there any details about what the
drivetrain
would be like. But I do not think it would take anything away from the
F-Type, as the practical differences between a 4 door Saloon and a
Roadster.
But I would not mind if they slip the Supercharger from the F-Type into an
X-Type for the R series. 300 HP would do quite nicely, at least that’s how
much they claim on the F-Type page. http://www.jaguarcars.com/uk/ftype/
Much as I would love a V-8, I just can’t see how they could fit one
in
an X-Type with its Transverse mounted engine.

Ride Safe!
Ken Shephard
Inwood,WV
AgentShephard@hotmail.com
'02 X-TYPE 2.5 Auto Topaz/Sand

----- Original Message -----
From: “Sunny Garofalo” jaguarxj12@earthlink.net
To: “Ken” AgentShephard@hotmail.com
Cc: x-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:12 AM
Subject: [x-type] Supercharged variants (was New to List)

I’m curious if there are any plans for an X-Type R. I think that an
X-Type R would unintentionally compete against and beat the F-Type in
performance for its market segment.

For the record, I’m an XJR and Jag V12 fanatic, but bought my XJ6
because
I
couldn’t wait and was in between Jags. :slight_smile:

I don’t see the F-Type as anything but an R only version, but I think
I’m
going to be in for big disappointment when its released. At least
initially.

The F-Type is supposed to be targeted at a $40k price range. Unless
your
absolutely hooked on the styling, why opt for the F-Type if there is an
X-Type R for what I would guess to be a very similiar price?

An XKR is no longer the top of the line R version with the S-Type R put
into
production. Its going to fall further down the pack as any other R
variants
will likely be less expensive then the S/XK/XJ variants.

Jaguars with more performance then the older brothers for less then
$80k?
Sweet, supercharged music to my ears.

Sunny
'97 XJ6 Anthracite
Sherman Oaks, CA