[x300] 95 XJ Rusty Rear Wheel Arch Repair - are XJ40 Patches OK?

Hello All,

My 95 XJR has the dreaded rusty rear wheel arch problem. I looked
at the Technical Service Bulletin 13-38 ‘‘Rear Wheel Opening -
Corrosion/Paint Blistering’’ to see what Jaguar recommends. They
say to get a complete quarter panel (rear wing?) and cut off the
section needed. These parts cost about $800 each so this is an
expensive way to go.

Looking through the archives I found a lot of discussion about
using the repair panels for the XJ40 but no clear conclusion about
how well these fit. So, I am wondering:

  1. How well do these fit on the X300? Does the profile look very
    different?
  2. I found that Hadrian in the UK makes the XJ40 panels (thanks
    Ant!). Has anyone purchased these in the US (if so from what
    supplier) or had them shipped from the UK to the US (if so what
    supplier and what cost)?
  3. How much should I expect to pay a good body in the US shop to
    cut/weld in the new panels and repaint the panel?
  4. Anyone in metro Detroit know of a shop that could be trusted to
    do this work?

Thanks in advance!–
Carel Allen, 95 XJR
Ann Arbor, Michigan, United States
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In reply to a message from carelallen sent Tue 4 Oct 2005:

I think any body shop worth it’s salt would be able to adapt an
XJ40 panel to fit. I did this sort of repair on my series 3 myself
by buying the arch section & cutting it to fit. It’s not a big deal
for a body shop.–
Glenn 95 XJR
Lancashire, United Kingdom
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Carel

I’ve had good work done by Ross-Beakes on W. Ann. Expensive, but good
work.

Ken Fink, 97X300
Ann Arbor, MI-----Original Message-----
From: owner-x300@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x300@jag-lovers.org] On
Behalf Of carelallen
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 12:08 PM
To: x300@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [x300] 95 XJ Rusty Rear Wheel Arch Repair - are XJ40 Patches
OK?

Hello All,

My 95 XJR has the dreaded rusty rear wheel arch problem. I looked at
the Technical Service Bulletin 13-38 ‘‘Rear Wheel Opening -
Corrosion/Paint Blistering’’ to see what Jaguar recommends. They say to
get a complete quarter panel (rear wing?) and cut off the section
needed. These parts cost about $800 each so this is an expensive way to
go.

Looking through the archives I found a lot of discussion about using the
repair panels for the XJ40 but no clear conclusion about how well these
fit. So, I am wondering:

  1. How well do these fit on the X300? Does the profile look very
    different?
  2. I found that Hadrian in the UK makes the XJ40 panels (thanks Ant!).
    Has anyone purchased these in the US (if so from what
    supplier) or had them shipped from the UK to the US (if so what supplier
    and what cost)?
  3. How much should I expect to pay a good body in the US shop to
    cut/weld in the new panels and repaint the panel?
  4. Anyone in metro Detroit know of a shop that could be trusted to do
    this work?

Thanks in advance!

Carel Allen, 95 XJR
Ann Arbor, Michigan, United States
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Gentlemen and Ladies,

Well, after 5 years of wonderful driving (5.5 years of ownership ), I
regrettably traded my 97 XJ yesterday (112,000 miles). I LOVED this car and
will deeply miss it (esp. when I valet park or as I no longer feel smug when
I see Lexus, Mercedes or BMW et al drive by ). However, in the last
several months just about every “little” (and one major…read that as a
rebuilt transmission) annoying failure I have read on this list has reared
their ugly heads. Even though I feel I took VERY good care of the car it
had gotten to the point that I was dreading driving her due to worry on what
would break next. Most, taken on their own would not have been a big issue,
however, cumulatively, it was causing much grief and concern over what would
be next and what if this time it was something that would make the car a
paperweight that looked good in the driveway.

To really give y’all something to flame me on, I traded it for a diesel VW
Jetta, nice, solid feeling car with about 41 mpg. But in no way compares to
the Jag. I am just in a different place now (read that as self
justification) BTW, I could only squeeze $4000.00 in trade in value for the
Jag.

Y’all have been great and down the road, I would not be shocked with a
purchase of another XJ (pre-2004 probably since I am not a big fan of the
new XJ body lines, maybe it will grow on me…maybe an XK). Thank you for
your help and courtesy.

STOP READING if reading non-pointed rants bugs you as from this point on I
am venting. Your flames may go unread as I just unsubscribed…sorry ;-).

A partial list of problems follows, some fixed, some not. PLEASE don’t get
me wrong, I love the car, I don’t mean this to be a complaint just an
awareness/observation. I do consider this a reliable car…just, for mine,
getting a little long in the tooth. Sadly.

Most XJ’s I feel would only experience one or two of these…the luck of the
draw, had mine fall victim to several. Just to share, here is a list of
those that pop to mind.

transmission failed completely (now rebuilt).
Anthracite paint fading in a two spots on roof (bad wax??? donno)
clock light out
radio button lighting out
headlight switch “light indicator cover” broke (fell into console)
cup holder broke (doh, knew better and still placed a bit too much body
shift weight on it after years of being, uh, “careful”.)
auto antenna motor stopped working
rear view mirror started leaking.
radiator fill sensor would not stay in place.
both visor clips broke (really cheap fix though)
headliner falling in rear, for a while, and now at visors.
shocks need replacing (yeah, normal wear item…just wish it were easier
and/or cheaper to do)
replaced two smashed headlights (yeah, just bad luck, both occurred at
different times in a two week period. doh! Dang, they are expensive…thank
gawd for e-bay. I only pay $6.00 for my 'ol Mustang headlights…for entire
assembly, not just a lense, whew.)
notable increase in overall rattles
cracked wood on drivers door.
cracked wood on transmission shift knob.
drivers seat leather wear (probably just normal wear)
notable decrease in mpg (from about 24 in mixed driving to work to 21, but
it is time for a tune up)
sunroof trim failing
cracked interior trim at drivers A-pillar
center brake light falling off rear window.

Oh well, like I said, I still love the look and drive of this car, but with
all issues put together, it was time to move on. Thanks again.

All the best,

Christopher Barber
Houston, Texas

former '97 XJ-6 (black on black) owner :frowning:
'65 Mustang Convertible (red on white)
'06 VeeDub Jetta TDI (Diesel)…it is black on black though.

and for those who really feel compelled to flame me
@Christopher_Barber or
CBarber@BellairePolice.com

www.TexasAttorney.net
www.LoneStarVelocity.com

In reply to a message from Christopher Barber sent Wed 5 Oct 2005:

Well, at least y’all got a proper car to fall back on with that
Mustang ! We have a '68 convertible which we just love !–
Anthony Richards
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In reply to a message from Christopher Barber sent Wed 5 Oct 2005:

I have had a similar list with my 96 except for the transmission.
My list may even be longer. A 9 year old car is an old car to me.
Fine cars this age are restoration projects to me, not regular
drivers. I have not experienced anything that I feel was especially
indicitive of bad design or construction, just normal wear and
tear. In fact when I get under the car, I am still amazed at the
design of parts such as the rear tranny mount in cast alloy ,the
cast front wishbones and such. The detailing of the car is nice in
an engineering sense and I appreciate this. I also like the
heritage of the car, to me this elevates its position in the class
pecking order far above the Toyota Lexus’, Honda Accura’s and such
ilk. I have not yet felt that the car was undependable or was
bankruptcy waiting for its moment, although there’s always
tommorrow! Tommorrow I could feel just like you do. I have always
thought that Jags were ‘‘character’’ cars and that the people that
drove them wanted this character, maybe part of it is griping about
the cost of repair to friends?–
Brian Caro 96XJ6 4.0 63E-TypeS1FHC
Newport News, VA, United States
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“Character”…that is the perfect word to describe the Jaguar (funny, it is
how I have described my 65 Mustang ragtop for years). It is a styling
triumph.

Oh, one more list item, sorry, is the heater was out as well. It never gets
THAT cold in Houston…it was just “one more thing”. Not meaning to get
into the repairs needed competition, just commenting. I did considering
keeping it. I have restored my 'ol Mustangs, but they are really cheap to
restore (relatively)

To ad insult to injury, my turbo diesel Jetta, which I was told was waiting
at the Port of Houston for delivery to me, is actually at a port…the Port
of San Diego. DOH! Oh, and even though I like the idea of my diesel, the
Jetta will never be confused for a Jag, nor will “character” be used to
describe it :slight_smile:

FWIW.

All the best,

Chris-----Original Message-----
From: owner-x300@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x300@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Brian Caro
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:33 AM
To: x300@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [x300] With regrets, but thank you and farewell…for now

In reply to a message from Christopher Barber sent Wed 5 Oct 2005:

I have had a similar list with my 96 except for the transmission.
My list may even be longer. A 9 year old car is an old car to me.
Fine cars this age are restoration projects to me, not regular
drivers. I have not experienced anything that I feel was especially
indicitive of bad design or construction, just normal wear and
tear. In fact when I get under the car, I am still amazed at the
design of parts such as the rear tranny mount in cast alloy ,the
cast front wishbones and such. The detailing of the car is nice in
an engineering sense and I appreciate this. I also like the
heritage of the car, to me this elevates its position in the class
pecking order far above the Toyota Lexus’, Honda Accura’s and such
ilk. I have not yet felt that the car was undependable or was
bankruptcy waiting for its moment, although there’s always
tommorrow! Tommorrow I could feel just like you do. I have always
thought that Jags were ‘‘character’’ cars and that the people that
drove them wanted this character, maybe part of it is griping about
the cost of repair to friends?

Brian Caro 96XJ6 4.0 63E-TypeS1FHC
Newport News, VA, United States
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