[x300] And you think Jaguar had a " parts-sharing" image problem

In reply to a message from thetopdogg sent Wed 5 Dec 2007:

Interesting observations Chris but really, it’s nothing new.
This sort of ‘‘Parts bin sharing’’ has ben going on for
decades…in the 'good ol daze’it would have been called ‘Badge
Engineering’.
At least Jaguar has been able to mask most of it’s Ford DNA quite
efectively and is still quintisentially a Jaguar which despite all
criticisms from the ‘Great Unwashed’ has still been able to retain
that certain uniqueness that is truly Jagaur.

Cheers,
MaxH–
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Carefully examining the cabin of an X350 Jaguar, one
realizes that there are some minor parts that are shared
with less prestigious brands (Ford, Volvo). You don’t
really notice it until you look.
Volkswagen, on the other hand, (IMHO) has made some serious
slip ups.


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In reply to a message from thetopdogg sent Wed 5 Dec 2007:

Hi guys, got passing by your neighborhood and read this post. What
a laugh I spent reading the 250.000 vs. less than 90.000 twin cars
story… :slight_smile:

If the engine were at least Bentley engineered and used by Audi/VW,
alike the 4.2 V8 engineered by Jaguar and used by LR and Ford, it
should be different, but cheap Passat/A8 components in a Bentley,
that’s nuts… (the A8 is vulgar and full of plastic for my
taste). I wonder if the central consol is shared with a SEAT (VW
owned spanish car manufacturer) cheap ugly car, cause of the body
design is shared subtle with the SEAT Leon (a very cheap plastic
car). He he he he :)–
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Volkswagen, on the other hand, (IMHO) has made some serious
slip ups.


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In reply to a message from thetopdogg sent Wed 5 Dec 2007:

Not only a great story, but a true one. Your experience only goes
to show the blending of design from one manufacturer to another.

While on a trip, I pulled in to a gas station for the obvious.
While standing waiting for the tank to fill what looked like a
very new Chrysler 300 pulled up next to me. Being the chatty Yank,
I asked the driver how he liked his new Chrysler. His face turned
red and he quite aggressively informed me it was not a Chrysler,
but a Bentley.

Only as he drove off, and I could read the name plate on the rear
deck, could I be certain he was not pulling my leg.

I am certain there are obvious differences between the two cars.
But to a Bentley neophyte, it was almost impossible to tell the
difference at first glance.

I think I saw tears in his eye.–
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The other day I parked one car over from a $250,000 Bentley
Continental Flying Spur, belonging to a member of my sailing
club (start making fun of me now, it’s only going to get
worse :slight_smile: ). The lady getting out of the passenger seat
asked me ‘‘oh, how do you like YOUR bentley?’’


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In reply to a message from JozJag sent Wed 5 Dec 2007:

Just came back from a quick grocery run in the Audi, so this
will be a long rant:
Regarding the VW/Bentley melding, if the gentleman had
shelled out for a ‘‘proper’’ Bentley (the $450,000 Arnage) he
would not find any VW parts in it, but he would also be able
to enjoy the ‘‘special’’ interior fit and finish found only
only very high end British cars.
The only reason the Continental Flying Spur is offered at
the bargain price of $250,000 is that the chassis,
drivetrain and interior are lifted from the VW Phaeton/A8L.

I must admit though, I am incredibly impressed by the A8L.
The build quality is truly ‘‘german’’ (like a tank): no
rattles, squeaks or anything. Everything is of the best
quality inside: leather, alcantara, woven headliner, acres
of gorgeous wood, and the plastic is high quality as well.
The exterior styling is very understated, and only those ‘‘in
the know’’ realize it is a low production high performance
machine. Those who don’t know assume it is a extended
wheelbase Passat.
With all these pluses, you’d think I would be thrilled to
drive it BUT:

Lets say I want to program a radio station that is playing.
(Jaguar: press and hold the ‘‘1’’ button until it beeps)
Audi:

  1. Put car into park
  2. Select ‘‘Radio/TV’’
  3. Select ‘‘Source’’
  4. Select ‘‘Radio’’
  5. Select ‘‘Memory’’
  6. Scroll to desired frequency
  7. Select ‘‘Memory Input’’
  8. Select Memory Number
  9. Press ‘‘Return’’ 4 times to return to ‘‘Car’’ interface
  10. Select ‘‘Drive’’ and you are on your way.

I am not joking, this car makes driving SO DIFFICULT every
time I head out I take the '96 VDP (with an intermittently
function radio) or the '82 V12 (with no radio).

And, to their credit or otherwise, Audi has figured out a
way to make 450hp boring. When coupled with a computer
mouse wheel and 7’’ LCD screen instead of buttons, this
becomes incredibly dangerous.

If you did not grow up with a computer in your bedroom (I’m
23 and I didn’t have one until I was 5) you will hate this
car so much you will start thinking ‘‘now how long would
transit take.’’

I can’t wait to sell it and get another modern Jaguar. The
Audi may massage my buttocks on request, however its not
smart enough to move the seat back when I take the key out,
which is my single favourite feature on the post '94
Jaguars.

As long as Audi/Mercedes/BMW prefer to make video games
rather than cars, Jaguar is safe.

-Chris–
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very new Chrysler 300 pulled up next to me. Being the chatty Yank,
I asked the driver how he liked his new Chrysler. His face turned
red and he quite aggressively informed me it was not a Chrysler,
but a Bentley.


Chris Los 1992 V12 Vanden Plas #51
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Chris:
You have hit the nail on the head. The German-car ethic is
technology-driven for the sake of technology (ditto for the oriental
machines). This is not always (in fact not often) associated with a more
pleasurable or effective driving experience. The most fun I have driving
is in my no-technology 1966 Mark 2. The look on the faces of “I-drive”
BMW drivers as I pass them is, as the Mastercard ads say, “priceless”.
Jaguar is proud of the fact that they do not employ gimmickry in the
driving operations of their cars. To quote the aluminum-body XJ8
brochure: “In the XJ technology yields not bewilderment, but
contentment”. That just about sums it up, and this “contentment” is one
of the essential differences between driving a Jaguar and driving a BMW
or Mercedes. The difference in feel of a new XJ8 and a new Mercedes? The
Jaguar feels fast and alive, the Mercedes feels dead - fast, but dead.
Simplicity of operation, given equivalence of other factors, = safety.
The climate control operation on the newer Jaguars is effective and so
simple. Ice? Fogged glass? On my cars it is a one step operation: push a
single button. The whole system snaps into high alert and the glass is
clear in seconds. I wonder how long that would take and how long eyes
would be off the road in an “I-drive” car?

Gregory
Victoria, Canada.
1966 Mark 2 3.8
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas
2002 X-Type
2004 XJ8 4.2-----Original Message-----
From: owner-x300@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x300@jag-lovers.org] On
Behalf Of thetopdogg
Sent: December 5, 2007 10:54 AM
To: x300@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [x300] And you think Jaguar had a " parts-sharing" image
problem…

With all these pluses, you’d think I would be thrilled to
drive it BUT:

Lets say I want to program a radio station that is playing.
(Jaguar: press and hold the ‘‘1’’ button until it beeps)
Audi:

  1. Put car into park
  2. Select ‘‘Radio/TV’’
  3. Select ‘‘Source’’
  4. Select ‘‘Radio’’
  5. Select ‘‘Memory’’
  6. Scroll to desired frequency
  7. Select ‘‘Memory Input’’
  8. Select Memory Number
  9. Press ‘‘Return’’ 4 times to return to ‘‘Car’’ interface
  10. Select ‘‘Drive’’ and you are on your way.

I am not joking, this car makes driving SO DIFFICULT every
time I head out I take the '96 VDP (with an intermittently
function radio) or the '82 V12 (with no radio).

And, to their credit or otherwise, Audi has figured out a
way to make 450hp boring. When coupled with a computer
mouse wheel and 7’’ LCD screen instead of buttons, this
becomes incredibly dangerous.

In reply to a message from thetopdogg sent Wed 5 Dec 2007:

The other day while parking in the lot at a grocery store a
middle-aged(60 years of age or so) woman walked around my
1982 XJ-S twice getting very close (within 1 foot) and asked
me if mine was the next-years’ model Jaguar! After having to
disappoint by telling her it’s 25 years old,(oh!) she went
into her new Volvo. Seems like a timeless design!
Chris–
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I can’t wait to sell it and get another modern Jaguar. The


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Ont h topic of this chassis, I can’t speak highly enough of the
Phaeton, and I honestly see one in my future.
Considering the things that it shares, it was the best deal int he
automotive world when it was in production. Most people, however,
wont pay their $80,000 new-car budget for ANY Volkswagen, so it
flopped. If you’re going to spend that, most want to look like they
spent it.

Oh well, it drops the prices for me. Even now, it’s the best second
hand car in the world, they can be had for under $30,000 USD.–
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In reply to a message from HMS XJR sent Thu 6 Dec 2007:

I for one had never heard of the VW Phaeton. I did a little home
work on the vehicle. It’s looks are lets say, ‘’ less than sexy.’’
But it’s interior finish, performance, and comfort level, does
appear to be exceptional. Of course, those observations are made by
research, not an personal test drive.

The price tag seems ok, until you gaze at the VW logo mounted so
visibly of the front grill. That would be the first modification I
would make in the event I laid down the money for this ride. I
could use another Christmas tree ornament anyway.

It will be interesting to see how the Phaeton does on the resale
market as a used car. It could very well be a good buy, much as the
x300 has turned out to be.

With all that said, if I put out 80+ grand for a new car, it needs
all the above and it has to look ‘‘sexy.’’ That puts me back into a
Jaguar.–
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Ont h topic of this chassis, I can’t speak highly enough of the
Phaeton, and I honestly see one in my future.
Oh well, it drops the prices for me. Even now, it’s the best second
hand car in the world, they can be had for under $30,000 USD.


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In reply to a message from HMS XJR sent Thu 6 Dec 2007:

I forgot to post this link. This is a short video, with some humor,
of a Phaeton’s test drive and some critique dialogue by the driver.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmGNRMOpg7E

A copy paste should work ok.–
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In reply to a message from JozJag sent Thu 6 Dec 2007:

I’ve not only ridden in one, but I’ve hade a few rides when ‘‘driven
in anger’’. Its a fairly capable car, as long as you’ve got the
bullocks to push it. The luxury car feel does not translate into
driver confidence. Just like anything, to make it fast, you must be
comfortable with ‘‘risking the car.’’ :wink:

As a passenger, not being the one pushing the pedals and holding
the wheel, I atually got ill during a twisty jaunt. Similar to what
the astronauts experience, my eyes registed movement but my body
didn’t. It was very odd, being too comfortable.–
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In reply to a message from HMS XJR sent Thu 6 Dec 2007:

HMS, I guess that brings us back to our Jags. My wife, who gets
sick just looking at winding roads, never gets ill as the co-pilot
in on such terrain.

We really do have the proverbial’’ Best of both Worlds.’’

Not to mention, my 1995 x300 is paid for. Now that is comfort at
it’s best.

As a man of nearly 65, what more excitement could I ask for? ( or
handle?) I can hear some of you already… So don’t even go
there.–
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As a passenger, not being the one pushing the pedals and holding
the wheel, I atually got ill during a twisty jaunt. Similar to what
the astronauts experience, my eyes registed movement but my body
didn’t. It was very odd, being too comfortable.


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In reply to a message from JozJag sent Thu 6 Dec 2007:

Excitement? My XJR is my easy going car that’s nice to me, like a
wife. For excitement, I have my crazy kinky coke snorting sex
addict girfreind, the gutted and caged race car. lol
She’s not nice to me, but damn its fun!–
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Oh My!! Please, there are old farts on here and theia haarts caint
stand thaa strain… I heard someone say.

Oh, and where do you get one of those? I already have the V8 Jag.

Brian (old fart ordinaire)

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Excitement? My XJR is my easy going car that’s nice to me, like a
wife. For excitement, I have my crazy kinky coke snorting sex
addict girfreind, the gutted and caged race car. lol
She’s not nice to me, but damn its fun!