Comments below…
First off, yes I do think seven cars out of millions is alot.
Because that is seven cars I’ve owned. That is 7 for 0 as far as
unreliable and reliable go. If you had seven cars from any
manufacturer that where lemons, would you respect for that company?<
No, but I wouldn’t be speaking as if my 100% failure rate is the failure
rate of GM transmissions as a whole. It isn’t. If it was even a tenth of
that GM would have been history decades ago. So your generalizations are
inaccurate at best. I would suggest that Jaguar’s Nikasil and tensioner
failure rates are much higher than GM transmission failures, based on the
posts here. Is that to say that GM tranny failures aren’t higher than
others, no. But that doesn’t make every GM product junk, which is the
illogical conclusion you are drawing. My single example disproves that
ridiculous generalization. Comparing GM’s tranny failure rate to Ford, has
no relevance to X3xx Jaguars, because X3xx’s don’t use Ford transmissions.
Second I took up your bluff and researched X300 ZF vs GM failures:
It wasn’t a bluff, I was attempting to get you to confront reality.
I found four GM problems and no ZF problems, that is 4 for 0 with
just a quick search. In fact, I could not find ONE thread with a 4
speed ZF failure on this forum.<
I don’t recall limiting the discussion to 4-speed ZFs. I was having you
compare GMs to all the ZFs used in Jaguars, which is appropriate to the
list.
Did you actually read these threads? You’ll recall that I asked you to
mention the final resolution. You didn’t, perhaps because it would undermine
you assertions.
1)http://forums.jag-lovers.org/avsn.php?1131752j11
Interesting. This once contains your comments on GM transmissions. There was
no solution mentioned, but there was a lot of speculation that it was the
wiring loom. The original poster was trying to determine if it was the
transmission before he spent $400 on the wiring loom. He mentioned that his
rear tranny mount was shot.
2)http://forums.jag-lovers.org/avsn.php?1053816i06
This guy rebuilt his transmission and still had the same faults. He then
read the archives and wondered if it was the wiring. Again, no final
resolution mentioned.
3)http://forums.jag-lovers.org/avsn.php?1131058j54
I really question whether you read these or just posted the hits from your
search. This is the same thread as your first example. So we’re down to 3
examples, two of which could very well have been wiring problems.
Here is my favourite:
4)http://forums.jag-lovers.org/avsn.php?885219q13<
If this is your favorite, then your examples are pretty weak. Here you have
a guy whose indy can’t figure out why a replacement external tranny sensor
he is replacing doesn’t fit. Again not a transmission failure and no
indication if he ever got it to fit. The conversation then morphed over to a
discussion of the 4L60E and comments about failures in Suburbans and
Blazers. It’s totally irrelevant to Jaguars. So I’m not sure how this proves
anything. In any case, the people commenting in this thread were capable of
maintaining some perspective.
Doug Dwyer (who’s in the automotive business) indicated “For every anecdotal
instance of 4L60E failure I can assure you that there
are a dozens of “never had a problem” instances as well…there’s one in my
family right now with 230K miles!”
John Pring, who had a 4L60E Blazer failure added, “But as a side note, the
700R4 (predecessor of the 4L60 and 4L60E) in my
oldest son’s S-10 pickup just “went south” at 308k miles. Truly a long and
useful life by anyone’s definition!”
Here a Blazer with just 70K on the clock is already experiancing 4L60E
issues.
5)http://www.hotrodders.com/forum/no-4th-gear-4l60e-transmission-133149.html
Don’t care about Blazers – off topic.
Another one:
6)http://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/index.php? showtopic=63095&mode=threaded
Not a Jaguar – off topic.
You think I’m being ‘‘emotional?’’ I’m sharing on opinion based on fact and
that is it.
So far you have presented no definitive examples of GM transmission failures
in Jaguars from our archives. One was a duplicate thread; two were
indeterminate, but quite possibly the Jaguar wiring harness, not the
transmission, and the fourth was a bad sensor. In the meantime, having read
99.7% (est) of all posts made to the list, I know there have been number of
posts related to the failures of the sealed-for-life transmissions to the
point that even MB has recently begun recommending fluid changes at 60K mile
intervals. I’d send you back to the archives for more research, but based on
the thoroughness of this first attempt, and the fact that I had to review
everything that you didn’t read in the first place, it just means more work
for me. So please don’t.
I never admonish anyone without pointing out a direction for
self-improvement. Having facts does not preclude one from being emotional
about them. Death is a fact, but it is also emotional. However, one can
easily share an opinion without being emotional. If you have a hard time
imagining how that is possible, think Kwai Chang Caine (if you ever watched
Kung Fu). To the degree that you depart from his demeanor, to the degree
that you are unable to maintain perspective by generalizing that all of
anything is bad, to the degree that you are incapable of staying on the
topic of this list when you can’t make your point; you are being emotional
and shrill. That’s not just fact, it’s definitional – look them up
sometime. If Master Po was to advise you he would like say, “You must remove
the red fog of hate from your eyes, Grasshopper, and let the world through,
as it exists.”
So please, if you want to stay on the list, you are going to have to control
your emotions and stick to the subject which is X3xx Jaguars and their (not
any other car’s) transmissions. As Doug states so succinctly (unlike me) in
his post,
"Its all very simple. Whenever the subject of anything “GM” comes along you
choose words so as to incite argument. This is so patently obvious that it
can’t be accidental.
"Argument blocks effective exchange of opinions.
“Blocking effective exchanges of opinion runs counter to the intent of this
discussion board.”
It’s simple. Heed my warning or be banned.
As I requested in my last post, anyone who has anything else to say on this
subject, direct it to me, not the list. You’ll find my e-mail address,
below.
Mark Stephenson, X300 Admin
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