[x300] Rear brake problem on X350

A fellow member on another forum posted this:

I’ve got an 03 XJ and it went in for it’s 50,000 mile service
yesterday.
Anyway at 20000 miles it had full rear disks and pads and I’ve just
been told it needs them again it’s never had the front disks and
pads done and the garage says they won’t need doing for another
5000 miles. I find it a bit odd to need 2 sets of rears in the same
amount of time of only needing to change once on the front and at
�359 for the job it’s pricey.
Anybody else think this is odd am I being had.

I said I would post this on the jec forum as hes not a member of
the jec but I got no replys so I thought id try on here.
Anyone know the answer?–
Speedyxjs
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In reply to a message from Speedyxjs sent Sun 1 Jul 2007:

Speedy,

Sounds a bit fishy. Normally, it’s the other way round as, the
front brakes provide most of the stopping force.

What did the garage say? Did they think it was strange?–
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I’ve got an 03 XJ and it went in for it’s 50,000 mile service
yesterday.
Anyway at 20000 miles it had full rear disks and pads and I’ve just
been told it needs them again it’s never had the front disks and
pads done and the garage says they won’t need doing for another
5000 miles. I find it a bit odd to need 2 sets of rears in the same
amount of time of only needing to change once on the front and at
�359 for the job it’s pricey.
Anybody else think this is odd am I being had.
Anyone know the answer?
Speedyxjs


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In reply to a message from gary breyer sent Sun 1 Jul 2007:

Might be something to do with the electric handbrake not behaving
properly.

Bruce–
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In reply to a message from Speedyxjs sent Sun 1 Jul 2007:

I bet it is the EPB - Electric Barking Brake not releasing
properly. This is a ‘‘feature’’ on the later S Types as well. They
have known about this problem for some time but do not seem to have
sorted it out.–
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Anyone know the answer?


Robert - 2001 S-Type 3.0SE. Ex 1997 X300. Scotland. UK.
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In reply to a message from 12RM sent Sun 1 Jul 2007:

I should have added that it usually the nearside rear that is more
worn. Often the wheel is warm or even hot to the touch if the EPB
is dragging, more so than the offside wheel. Some owners have
reported smoke and smells from the rear brakes when really bad.

The above refers to RHD cars, reverse for those that drive on the
wrong side of the road!–
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In reply to a message from 12RM sent Sun 1 Jul 2007:

Yes - it sounds a bit odd. Rear brake pads last anywhere
between 60K and 100K miles depending upon the car & pad; I’m
not aware of a set of rear rotors ever needing to be
replaced under normal wear conditions. Speedyxjs - do you
have any additional information? Did the garage mention WHY
the rear brakes needed to be replaced? At 350 pounds a go,
I’d be keenly interested as to how that money is being
spent. Also - unless they’re replacing some expensive
electronics, that’s a ridiculously high price for basic
brake components (pads, rotors), even on the X350…

(Now - Bruce, tell me that a very basic pair of rear rotors
and pad sets in the U.K. costs at least �250 at any corner
parts shop…)–

In reply to a message from andyman32 sent Sun 1 Jul 2007:

Andy,

I’ve said it before but, you US guys don’t realise how much we UK
guys get ripped off! What you pay in $'s we pay in �’s so, at
current exchange rates, we pay twice as much as you do.

You live in the land of the free and the home of the brave but, we
live in the land of the exploited and the home of the ripped off.

Rant over…for now.–
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(Now - Bruce, tell me that a very basic pair of rear rotors
and pad sets in the U.K. costs at least �250 at any corner
parts shop…)

  • Andy - '96 VDP (35k) - '96 XJ6 (97k) - '97 XJR (62k) -
    Raleigh, North Carolina, United States


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Can’t swear to it but I seem to recall reading that the X350 brake system is
so designed that the rear brakes are actually applied before the front
brakes so they may actually see more use than the fronts in terms of time
actually spent applied.

There are certainly a lot of variables involved with brake pad life so I
don’t think a blanket statement can be made as to how long they will last.
I’ll agree, though, that 20k miles seems lower than one would usually
expect.

Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJRFrom: “andyman32” andy@andywhalen.com

Yes - it sounds a bit odd. Rear brake pads last anywhere
between 60K and 100K miles depending upon the car & pad;

In reply to a message from gary breyer sent Sun 1 Jul 2007:

Heheh, yes I know Gary. But still that’s overboard. I’d be
taken aback if anyone told me that replacing rear brakes
(even on an X350!) were going to cost $350. I’d ask why the
exorbitant expense, and there wouldn’t be a satisfying
answer to be found, so I’d run home and shop around on
motorcarsltd or coventry west or jagbits or jaggraveyard -
and barring a good price any of those places - ebay - and
barring that - I’d try to find a wrecked X350 somewhere -
and barring that, I’d find a way to fabricate my own rotors!
Never pay �350 for it though!

That’s why I buck at the idea of paying �350. If it’s too
much in USD, it’s doubly so in GBP. I’d guess over 50% of
that charge is ‘‘labor’’. Easiest �200 they earn, after
reading out engine codes… grumble grumble

I’ll change rear brakes on X350s all bloody day at �200
each. And I’ll retire next year on what I make!

:)–
The original message included these comments:

I’ve said it before but, you US guys don’t realise how much we UK
guys get ripped off! What you pay in $'s we pay in �’s so, at
current exchange rates, we pay twice as much as you do.

I was amazed at what brake parts for modern Jags cost. I’m used to
paying about 35 euros for a Series XJ disc and a bit more for an X300
one, but I had to order a set for an '02 S-type and they where 105
each!
People here are converting their XKR’s back to standard brakes 'coz
of the ludicrous prices for Brembo parts.–
Arnoud

iMac, therefore I am

http://www.se7en.nl

Can anyone direct me to a web-site or similar, that gives full VIN
decodes for post 2000MY VINs.

Amongst other things I am trying to find out exactly what 6th/7th digits
“34” and “25” mean for an X308 DAIMLER Super V8.

Roger Payne
PO Box 32
ERINDALE CENTRE
A.C.T. 2903
Australia-----Original Message-----
From: owner-x300@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x300@jag-lovers.org] On
Behalf Of Arnoud
Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 9:28 AM
To: x300@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [x300] Rear brake problem on X350

I was amazed at what brake parts for modern Jags cost. I’m used to
paying about 35 euros for a Series XJ disc and a bit more for an X300
one, but I had to order a set for an '02 S-type and they where 105
each!
People here are converting their XKR’s back to standard brakes 'coz
of the ludicrous prices for Brembo parts.


Arnoud

iMac, therefore I am

http://www.se7en.nl

Is there any source of TECHNICAL BULLETINS of the series for XK8 & XJ8
(1997 onwards)

I have the US publications:-

S 74/97 1995-97 MY Sedan Range Technical Bulletins
S 74/98 Jaguar Service Bulletins Issued 1998 All Models
S 74/99 Jaguar Service Bulletins Issued in 1999 All Models

Is there anything later?, or is there a UK equivalent as these US
publications, apart from being written using American
language/terminology (I can survive), include “NA only” Bulletins
(that’s OK) and exclude non-NA Bulletins (not OK)

Roger Payne
PO Box 32
ERINDALE CENTRE
A.C.T. 2903
Australia

Roger,

Very little that’s legal. Alldata <www.alldata.com> subscriptions contain
all the bulletins for the specific models to the present.

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson
'52 XK120 S673129, '59 Mk1, '84,'85,'86 &'95 XJ6-----Original Message-----
From: owner-x300@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x300@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf
Of Roger Payne
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:42 PM
To: x300@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [x300] Service Bulletins

Is there any source of TECHNICAL BULLETINS of the series for XK8 & XJ8
(1997 onwards)

I have the US publications:-

S 74/97 1995-97 MY Sedan Range Technical Bulletins
S 74/98 Jaguar Service Bulletins Issued 1998 All Models
S 74/99 Jaguar Service Bulletins Issued in 1999 All Models

Is there anything later?, or is there a UK equivalent as these US
publications, apart from being written using American
language/terminology (I can survive), include “NA only” Bulletins
(that’s OK) and exclude non-NA Bulletins (not OK)

Roger Payne
PO Box 32
ERINDALE CENTRE
A.C.T. 2903
Australia

Thanks Mark - never heard or come across Alldata before.

But seems as though I am up for two subscriptions, although I might
check the relative listings indexes first.

They list a Jaguar Vanden Plas, which I think is close enough to a
normally aspirated “Daimler”, badges and some trim aside, and they list
an XJR which gives the Supercharged 4.0 V8 and I presume similar
running-gear in a Short-Wheelbase Jaguar Sports body rather than my
Long-Wheelbase Daimler body.

I am also guessing, that there must be later years of the three US
publications I already have; presumably a :-

S 74/00 Issued in 2000 All Models
S 74/01 Issued in 2001 All Models
S 74/02 Issued in 2002 All Models
etc

Roger Payne
PO Box 32
ERINDALE CENTRE
A.C.T. 2903
Australia-----Original Message-----
From: owner-x300@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x300@jag-lovers.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Stephenson
Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 12:15 PM
To: x300@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [x300] Service Bulletins

Roger,

Very little that’s legal. Alldata <www.alldata.com> subscriptions
contain
all the bulletins for the specific models to the present.

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson
'52 XK120 S673129, '59 Mk1, '84,'85,'86 &'95 XJ6

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-x300@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x300@jag-lovers.org] On
Behalf
Of Roger Payne
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 5:42 PM
To: x300@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [x300] Service Bulletins

Is there any source of TECHNICAL BULLETINS of the series for XK8 & XJ8
(1997 onwards)

I have the US publications:-

S 74/97 1995-97 MY Sedan Range Technical Bulletins
S 74/98 Jaguar Service Bulletins Issued 1998 All Models
S 74/99 Jaguar Service Bulletins Issued in 1999 All Models

Is there anything later?, or is there a UK equivalent as these US
publications, apart from being written using American
language/terminology (I can survive), include “NA only” Bulletins
(that’s OK) and exclude non-NA Bulletins (not OK)

Roger Payne
PO Box 32
ERINDALE CENTRE
A.C.T. 2903
Australia

In reply to a message from Roger Payne sent Mon 2 Jul 2007:

A few weeks ago a fellow posted this link, it seems to
explain eveything guite well.

http://www.motorcarsltd.com/information/guide.asp

Good luck

Chris
'97 VP–
Sir Vanden Plas
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Roger,

Do you have two X308s? I just took a look to see what they offered. I don’t
remember what X308(s) you have, but the “2002 Jaguar Model Selection” had
these options

Selection Configuration (my notes)


XJ-8 Sedan 4L, Std. Wheelbase, std trim
XJ-8L Sedan 4L, Long Wheelbase, std trim
Vanden Plas 4L, Long Wheelbase, VDP trim
XJR 4L-SC, Std. Wheelbase, std trim
XJ-Super V8 4L-SC, Long Wheelbase, VDP trim

Our standard trim is a higher level than the UK standard. I don’t know if
they still call it this, but in the S3 XJs, it was similar to the UK
Sovereign. We pretty much had all the electronic gizmos and convenience
items on all the variants. The VDP is almost identical to the Daimler, down
to the fluted trim, except for some badges. Someone correct me if I’m wrong
on any of this.

Because this is a US resource, everything will be LHD. The emissions systems
will probably be slightly different, and engine management is tweaked for
the US. Security systems seem to vary from continent to continent.

Hopefully that helps,

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson
'52 XK120 S673129, '59 Mk1, '84,'85,'86 &'95 XJ6-----Original Message-----
From: owner-x300@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x300@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf
Of Roger Payne
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:47 PM
To: x300@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [x300] Service Bulletins

Thanks Mark - never heard or come across Alldata before.

But seems as though I am up for two subscriptions, although I might
check the relative listings indexes first.

They list a Jaguar Vanden Plas, which I think is close enough to a
normally aspirated “Daimler”, badges and some trim aside, and they list
an XJR which gives the Supercharged 4.0 V8 and I presume similar
running-gear in a Short-Wheelbase Jaguar Sports body rather than my
Long-Wheelbase Daimler body.

Many thanks, however unfortunately the MotorcarsLtd web site only gives
VIN decodes for North American Market Jaguars, notably listing only the
following for VIN position 4 :-

F, B - Canada
P, R - Mexico
D, E, J - USA

I need something for Jaguars/Daimlers worldwide that will of course
include Australian market Daimlers.

Roger Payne
PO Box 32
ERINDALE CENTRE
A.C.T. 2903
Australia-----Original Message-----
From: owner-x300@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x300@jag-lovers.org] On
Behalf Of SVP
Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 3:41 PM
To: x300@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [x300] VIN decodes

In reply to a message from Roger Payne sent Mon 2 Jul 2007:

A few weeks ago a fellow posted this link, it seems to
explain eveything guite well.

http://www.motorcarsltd.com/information/guide.asp

Good luck

Chris
'97 VP

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Only have the one X308 - a 1998 Daimler Super V8.

If I read their web site correctly, you only get access to the one
page/index of Bulletins based on your selection of Model Year, Model and
Engine Type - however to get all Bulletins relevant you would have to
have access to multiple model year, and models, as the 2002 listing adds
some new Bulletins not included in previous year listings, but drops off
many of the previous relevant Bulletins.

Or do I have this wrong - does one subscription get you access to all
model year, model and engine listings?

You can at least see all the indexes without subscribing, but I guessed
only download actual Bulletin from the one Index (year,model,engine)
subscribed to.

I appreciate US spec vehicles will be the only ones covered from such a
US based site, but still lots of common information that would be
relevant to an Australian Emissions Spec, RHD, Daimler.

One thing I have already tried unsuccessfully is to buy in from USA on
Ebay a Garage Door Opening remote Console that mounts above interior
rear-view mirror. Got one with matching Vanden Plas wood, and correct
Colour Trim, and installed it with zero need for any mounting or wiring
modifications.

Trouble is it wouldn’t work at all, despite my following Service
Bulletin programming instruction. These are not offered as far as I
can tell in any markets apart from North America - certainly not
available in Australia, UK, Japan, NZ, Hong Kong, South Africa. I am
guessing USA must have some unique Remote Garage Opener receivers that
are compatible with these Jaguar Devices, so short of modifying my
Garage Doors with a USA remote-receiver, don’t know where to go. I am
totally out of my depth with USA versus Australian remote
frequencies/security controls, and only comment I was able to get from
Australian Garage Door remote manufacturers is that we have some kind of
rolling security code arrangement in our receivers/transmitters that USA
does not. Good idea though, so am surprised these Jaguar GDOs are not
offered - shouldn’t be that hard for the Jaguar Engineers to come up
with something that works outside USA market.

The US spec Remote Key-Fob car-lock opener, although different frequency
to UK, is the same as what we use in Australia - have purchased a couple
spares from USA, and have reprogrammed to use successfully on my car.
These are $US20 or so on Ebay, versus about $A300 locally, so the
motivation to understand what works and doesn’t work from different
market cars is there.

Roger Payne
PO Box 32
ERINDALE CENTRE
A.C.T. 2903
Australia-----Original Message-----
From: owner-x300@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x300@jag-lovers.org] On
Behalf Of Mark Stephenson
Sent: Monday, 2 July 2007 3:58 PM
To: x300@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [x300] Service Bulletins

Roger,

Do you have two X308s? I just took a look to see what they offered. I
don’t
remember what X308(s) you have, but the “2002 Jaguar Model Selection”
had
these options

Selection Configuration (my notes)


XJ-8 Sedan 4L, Std. Wheelbase, std trim
XJ-8L Sedan 4L, Long Wheelbase, std trim
Vanden Plas 4L, Long Wheelbase, VDP trim
XJR 4L-SC, Std. Wheelbase, std trim
XJ-Super V8 4L-SC, Long Wheelbase, VDP trim

Our standard trim is a higher level than the UK standard. I don’t know
if
they still call it this, but in the S3 XJs, it was similar to the UK
Sovereign. We pretty much had all the electronic gizmos and convenience
items on all the variants. The VDP is almost identical to the Daimler,
down
to the fluted trim, except for some badges. Someone correct me if I’m
wrong
on any of this.

Because this is a US resource, everything will be LHD. The emissions
systems
will probably be slightly different, and engine management is tweaked
for
the US. Security systems seem to vary from continent to continent.

Hopefully that helps,

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson
'52 XK120 S673129, '59 Mk1, '84,'85,'86 &'95 XJ6

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-x300@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x300@jag-lovers.org] On
Behalf
Of Roger Payne
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:47 PM
To: x300@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [x300] Service Bulletins

Thanks Mark - never heard or come across Alldata before.

But seems as though I am up for two subscriptions, although I might
check the relative listings indexes first.

They list a Jaguar Vanden Plas, which I think is close enough to a
normally aspirated “Daimler”, badges and some trim aside, and they list
an XJR which gives the Supercharged 4.0 V8 and I presume similar
running-gear in a Short-Wheelbase Jaguar Sports body rather than my
Long-Wheelbase Daimler body.

Roger,

Hopefully someone with an Alldata subscriptions will jump in here. My
impression was that you got all information relevant to your car. That would
include all TSBs and whatever else has been issued by Jaguar Cars for the
model you choose. If they changed something on the 2002 models, that
wouldn’t be included in the 1998 information, but if there was a TSB issued
in 2002 that dealt with some aspect of the 1998 model would be included, as
I understand it. That’s one of the advantages I’ve heard mentioned over the
JDHT CDs. The CDs are a snapshot at the moment Jaguar releases them to JDHT.
Alldata is dynamic and continually updated.

This is a service originally designed for independent shops, which has been
extended to “end users” so anything that would be needed by an indy to work
on a car would be available to the subscriber, which should include all
relevant information.

I think you’re correct that you are only going to get the info for your
specific car. If they have a 1998 Super V8 listed, that sounds like what you
want.

Can someone verify that I’m not talking through my hat?

Hopefully someone can help with or at least explain the garage door opener
situation between the US and Australia. I’ve never tried to adapt mine, so I
can’t even help with US.

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson
'52 XK120 S673129, '59 Mk1, '84,'85,'86 &'95 XJ6-----Original Message-----
From: owner-x300@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-x300@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf
Of Roger Payne
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 1:34 AM
To: x300@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [x300] Service Bulletins

Only have the one X308 - a 1998 Daimler Super V8.

If I read their web site correctly, you only get access to the one
page/index of Bulletins based on your selection of Model Year, Model and
Engine Type - however to get all Bulletins relevant you would have to
have access to multiple model year, and models, as the 2002 listing adds
some new Bulletins not included in previous year listings, but drops off
many of the previous relevant Bulletins.

Or do I have this wrong - does one subscription get you access to all
model year, model and engine listings?

You can at least see all the indexes without subscribing, but I guessed
only download actual Bulletin from the one Index (year,model,engine)
subscribed to.

In reply to a message from Roger Payne sent Mon 2 Jul 2007:

Roger:

We do have,mostly on ‘‘newer’’ garage doors ,the rolling codes
security features.

you will know if you garage has rolling codes if after programming
the remote the indicator light blink rapidly for 2 seconds and then
turn to constant light.

If it does ,you nedd to do the following extra steps:

1/ Find the ‘‘learn/Smart’’ button on you garage door opener
receiver,usually on the motor/head unit,

2/ press and release the button

3/ In no more than the next 30 seconds, go back to your car and
press and hold the programmed button on the Homelink for about 2
seconds.

4/Some sytems require you to do the press and hold of above,up to 3
times.

Homelink system work the same way all around the world,the only
difference being the Hertz frequency lengh.

All Homelink will work on 288 to 399 MHZ but only newer models (
2001 and up for the most part)will work up to 418MHZ.

You need to find the frequency of your garage door receiver.
It is usually stamped on the remote or the data plate on the
receiver and/or motor.

If your frequency is 399 or less, you’re fine,if it’s above,I know
that the XJ8 Homelink will not work.

You can get a lot more info from : HOMELINK.COM

Luc.–
The original message included these comments:

One thing I have already tried unsuccessfully is to buy in from USA on
frequencies/security controls, and only comment I was able to get from
Australian Garage Door remote manufacturers is that we have some kind of
rolling security code arrangement in our receivers/transmitters that USA
does not. Good idea though, so am surprised these Jaguar GDOs are not


luc noel
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