Okay, so here it is, the car a 95 X300 right hand drive is really
giving me a hard time, the starter motor solonoid has died and I
have a new one ready to go in, today I was all keen and ready to
go, got the bottom bolt off in no time at all as well as the
dipstick ut of the way. Now here is the tricky part, there is no
bolt on the upper part, but from what I can see it is a six sided
one that the tool fits into, or maybe it is a torks, I cant see so
well as I have to use a mirror to see it. Anyone know what it might
be? I guess it is not an original fitting, or is it?? any and all
help would be most welcome.
Harry–
HarryB
Uppland, Sweden
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In reply to a message from HarryB sent Wed 14 Feb 2007:
Hi Harry
Until someone jumps in that has done this and has a similiar
model/year…
Can you tell us why you believe it’s the solonoid? Is it a V12?
You said:
there is no bolt on the upper part, but from what I can see it is a
six sided one that the tool fits into, or maybe it is a torks
Is there a bolt head or no? The top bolt should be the same as the
bottom, unless it was swapped by a PO.or has fallen out???
Can you take a picture when you can see it better?
Service and Repair
Disconnect battery ground cable. Raise and support vehicle.
Remove right exhaust pipe from over-axle pipe forward.
Remove right front catalytic converter assembly for access.
Remove heat shield from starter.
Disconnect starter leads from solenoid.
Loosen starter mounting bolts, then remove starter motor.
Reverse procedure to install.
Randy–
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dipstick ut of the way. Now here is the tricky part, there is no
bolt on the upper part, but from what I can see it is a six sided
one that the tool fits into, or maybe it is a torks, I cant see so
well as I have to use a mirror to see it. Anyone know what it might
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Haven’t taken a starter out, but parts diagram lists only one
bolt. Have you tried working the starter out after you removed
bottom bolt?–
Anthony Hladun
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In reply to a message from Anthony Hladun sent Thu 15 Feb 2007:
My manuals don’t show any diagrams, but from the steps, it seems
that the top bolt should be removed first from the top-side without
even lifting the car. But I guess you’ve probably already tried
that. The steps I have don’t mention anything about different bolts.
Hope it goes well,
Lee–
95 XJ6 (US)
Memphis, TN, United States
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In reply to a message from HarryB sent Wed 14 Feb 2007:
I haven’t actually done it myself but according to my manual (1996
3.2 X300 RHD) the procedure is;
Disconnect battery ground cable.
Remove bolt securing starter lead and transmission breather tube to
starter mounting bracket.
Disconnect starter lead from starter terminal on firewall.
Remove top bolt attaching starter mounting bracket to bellhousing.
Raise and support vehicle.
Remove lower mounting bolt, then remove starter and mounting
bracket as an assembly.
Remove starter lead from starter solenoid.
Disconnect mounting bracket from starter.
Reverse procedure to install.
Hope it helps, Tom.–
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go, got the bottom bolt off in no time at all as well as the
dipstick ut of the way. Now here is the tricky part, there is no
bolt on the upper part, but from what I can see it is a six sided
one that the tool fits into, or maybe it is a torks, I cant see so
well as I have to use a mirror to see it. Anyone know what it might
be? I guess it is not an original fitting, or is it?? any and all
help would be most welcome.
–
1996 XJ6 3.2 Sport, 2005 Citroen C4 SX (shopping trolley)
DUNFERMLINE, Scotland, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from Anthony Hladun sent Thu 15 Feb 2007:
This is correct, there is only one bolt shown with the starter, but
there is a group of bolts that go through the tranny adaptor plate
into the bellhousing, the upper starter bolt is one of those that
does double duty. There is an upper starter bolt. The manuals all
say to loosen the tranny mount and drop the tranny down slightly to
get at the upper bolt. It doesn’t take much. John Pring has said
that removing the windshield wiper motor housing is easier. Either
way will probably work, but I don’t think that removing the exhaust
pipe will help as was indicated by one procedure.–
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Haven’t taken a starter out, but parts diagram lists only one
bolt. Have you tried working the starter out after you removed
–
Brian Caro 96XJ6 4.0 63E-TypeS1FHC
Newport News, VA, United States
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In reply to a message from Brian Caro sent Thu 15 Feb 2007:
I looked in the Haynes book, and for the starter, things have not
chnged. The reason you cannot see the upper bolt from th efront
side of the engine is that the bolt head is on the rearward side of
the tranny adaptor plate, it screws forward into the upper part of
the starter motor assembly. You have to use your wrench from
underneath on the tranny side for the upper bolt. According to
Haynes you drop the rear of the tranny a little and use a long
extension and universal joint to reach the bolt head near the top
of the bellhousing area.–
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does double duty. There is an upper starter bolt. The manuals all
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Brian Caro 96XJ6 4.0 63E-TypeS1FHC
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In reply to a message from HarryB sent Wed 14 Feb 2007:
Harry
Rick mentions it’s easier to remove the wiper assembly as well:
http://forums.jag-lovers.org/av.php?429413k70
Randy–
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In reply to a message from HarryB sent Wed 14 Feb 2007:
Just out of curiosity, how do you know the solenoid is bad? I have
heard very few reports of this failure. The common causes in this
area are related to a bad starter relay, bad battery or bad
terminal on the firewall for the battery cable. If this is the
problem, your starter motor trooubles are over.–
Brian Caro 96XJ6 4.0 63E-TypeS1FHC
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Brian,
I know this is a little late to say the least, but I wanted to let you know that your 2007 prompt on the starter relay saved me a lot of trouble. The only trouble I had was getting the relay out of the housing.
Thanks again Brian
Syd. Merron
91 xj40, 95 x300, 81 Fiat Spider 2000.
Thanks Neil,
There’s so much good information on Jim’s site. I noticed that he only
owned the Jag for two years. if he did all the items he has listed that car
must have been in perfect shape when he sold it but he must have been
constantly working on it!
Syd, you’ve pretty much got it in One as Jim came to J-L when he acquired his X300 and whilst being it’s custodian he constantly worked on it in order to understand the engineering philosophy inherent in it and transformed it over that period of ownership.
An Engineer by profession and a lifetime vintage car enthusiast he became an active and proficient member and posted many contributions on the X300 Forum.
Sadly when he decided to move on and sell his project he withdrew from the Forum but kindly kept his Website live in an unmaintained state, thereby making the cummulative knowledge and information he gained and collated over that period available to Jaguar owners worldwide.
I know that his presence has been missed by yours truly, Jags on Gas, Gary the cabbie, Sparkenzap, Maximus, Jack H and far to many others to mention.
Neil,
As a follow up to Jim’s work, I would like to add how I removed the starter motor from my X300. To get access to the lower bolt I removed the wiper motor assy. To get this out I had to use my Dremel to cut away a portion of the structure around one of the access holes in the window frame. I will try and add photo’s showing this and the tool I used to remove the upper bolt
. The lower bolt was now access able and was not very tight. The upper bolt was access able from under the car by making up a long combination of socket extension bars, the first of which were wobbly type in order to create a curve in the assy. I was then able to poke the assy over the transmission and contact the starter bolt. This bolt was much tighter than the lower bolt and came loose with a “crack” sound indicating it’s tightness. To help position the extension assy II was able to get my hand over the transmission and guide it. It is a fairly floopy asy but once it is in the correct groove created by the casting ribs it guides itself to the bolt head
I had a spare motor but to be sure it was OK I took both motors.to the shop and had them tested. Both had problems so I left them to be stripped down and combined to creat one good one…
Glad to hear that it’s progressing well Syd and whilst the purists on J-L may baulk at cutting holes to gain access I’m with you if it solves the problem.
Thanks for the feedback and I’m pleased that you have posted this on the Forum as too often the outcome is never reported, which doesn’t help to expand the knowledge base.
Regards Neil